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Brandon60

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Hi,

I would like to share with you my diet plan and I am listening to all comments.

I am 181cm (5,9) for 88kg (194lbs) arround 13-14% fat. My goal is to lose fat, I don't want to gain a lot of mass, I am already "heavy" for Crossfit. I think that 90kg is the max that I need.

I will be "ON" (230mg testo cypio - 350mg equipoise) during 12 weeks.



What I look like now :



Thanks you :)
 
You look really good, this diet and cycle must be working for you! :)

I would just suggest you make it 41% protein and 32% carbs, switch them around. Fats around 30% are good.
 
Since you don't want to gain a lot of muscle mass, this is the perfect diet for you. You're getting 40% carbs, 30% protein, 30% fat (roughly) that's almost the perfect balanced diet.
You also look in good shape and lean, keep this diet going and log your progress with your cycle on EVO here.
 
my comment is maybe not what you want to hear and what others want to hear but tracking your diet like this is just not the way to go and very counter productive. the first thing i tell my clients who come to me for diet help is STOP TRACKING THIS STUFF. get rid of these apps. they do way more harm than good and none of these numbers mean anything in the grand scheme of things because the TYPES of calories you eat matter, not the AMOUNT of calories you eat. same with macros. there is a difference between the fat from refined oils and the fat from unrefined coconut oil
 
@BuffBaker34 @LevButlerov : Wow thanks you ! It's always nice to hear that, and gives a little more motivation !

@stevesmi : Really interesting as it's not the speech that we often hear

I am totally agree with you about "TYPES of calories you eat matter, not the AMOUNT of calories you eat. same with macros. there is a difference between the fat from refined oils and the fat from unrefined coconut oil" You can eat 100g of carbs from french fries or sweet potato, 100g of fat from cheese/burger or eggs/beef/nuts.

But, if you don't track anything, how can you be able to know if you are eating 2000 or 3000kcal ? 200 or 300g of carbs ? For me, if you don't track anything you can't achieve your goals, especially when they are high.
 
You look great man, nice job. I would have less protein powder if it was me. I just prefer to stick to real food. And you definitely do not need dextrose during training. Only water. For the most part though, you have good clean foods in there. Just adjust more or less total food if you are not on track for where you want to be.
 
Thanks you sir !

I share your point of view about "eating real food", and as soon as I am able I do, but for the breakfast it's a little bit difficult, I have to drive 1 hour to go to work, (for 7:30 AM, so I leave house at 06:30 AM) and if I have a "real food breakfast" I will have to wake up 15 minuts early... It's already a little bit difficult so I just mix my breakfast and drink it during the drive.

About the 10:00 AM snack, I think that I will just delete it and eat my lunch earlier, as 11:30/45 am for 2 main reasons :

1°) Whey is not real food
2°) I think that I have a little but too much protein in my day total.

I will switch these cal for carbs cal I think.
 
But, if you don't track anything, how can you be able to know if you are eating 2000 or 3000kcal ? 200 or 300g of carbs ? For me, if you don't track anything you can't achieve your goals, especially when they are high.

do animals in nature track their foods? you eat when you are hungry. tracking your food intake is counter intuitive to what nature intended. if you have ever went fishing and you put your lure right in front of a fish and he doesn't bite you wonder why. he just isn't hungry. same reason lions don't attack the gazelles in Africa who are drinking next to them.

yes i understand bodybuilding is different in that we want to force feed our muscles nutrition. but still, nature is nature. look at Mike Rashid. he doesn't track a thing and eats 1 meal a day.

also another thing about calorie intake that is interesting that nobody will admit. when you eat more calories your body also burns more calories, when your body eats less it burns less. crazy huh? well that is because our bodies are like a furnace. it is called survival. we would be screwed as humans if we ate little calories cause we couldn't find food that day, same with all animals. nature gave us the ability to eat less some days and more others. when you eat more your body will rev up metabolism and then store excess to be used for energy at a later time. when you eat less your body adjusts and uses energy from the stored fat in our bodies. it is a constant thing back and forth.

so my point is focus less on calories NUMBER, and just on calories TYPES. because although calorines in/out matters, the calories OUT changes on a day to day basis based on the types of calories you eat, when you eat, how you eat, and hormonal changes. this is why you see some guys posting "i'm on tren and eat anything i want and keep losing fat". it is because that tren changed their body

if you truly want to nail down your diet to a tee, put high octane fuel in it only. that is the secret. don't worry about how little or lot of that fuel you put in cause it will and SHOULD change up daily. eating the same foods and calories everyday is a great way to fuck up your bodies hormones and metabolism.

i highly recommend everyone take some hours out of their life and get the book Obesity Code by Jason Fung. it contains all the studies and science to back up what i am saying. so it isn't me pulling a nelson montana and just spouting my opinions as facts. these are the biggest and longest human studies ever done on nutrition which flies in the face of bro science you hear in the gym like "gotta eat 3X your body weight in protein" or "count your macros"
 
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Bro keep doing what you're doing. Its working. The most successful in the fitness industry hold themselves accountable by calculating and measuring their intake. Its undeniable.
 
Looking good bro. I would say do what works for you. I have alot of respect for Steve and I agree with his views on this, it works for me and I have seen it first hand. When I track calories I do not notice that much of a difference. Nowhere near substantial enough to spend the time and energy tracking every single thing I put in my mouth throughout the day, trying to measure and calculate.

But if you like doing it and works for you stick with it. I don't compete and I don't have a desire to get below 10% bodyfat. When you get that level maybe there is more value in macros tracking but its not for me.

Keep up the good work bro, excited to see the results of this cycle
 
i never said not to track what you eat.

i said not to track macros/calories

tracking what you eat is actually beneficial because today we can eat what we want, when we want. before you only got to eat what was in season and what you had access to in nature. you can simplify this by simply eating nutritious foods in a time restricted window.

also eating the same foods will lead to allergies. and you can eat things like almonds 365 days of the year, but an almond tree only makes almonds X amount of the year. so tracking what you eat can help you identify allergies etc. s

i was eating almonds daily, i would usually eat a cup a day while watching tv. after 2 years i noticed i was sneezing nonstop. so i was able to figure out those almonds were giving me allergies. i stopped the almonds and allergies gone. have not eaten them since but have gradually brought them back into my diet using almond flour. no allergies from that. so this is an example of tracking what you eat. elimination diets are a good idea to do every couple years just to see what is intolerant. so let's not conflate what i am saying. WHAT you eat is important to a tee.

as for counting macros and calories. if it works for you do it i guess, but it isn't helping you and i mantain it hurts you more. you have to remember tracking calories makes no sense because there is no way to know exactly how many you are eating. there are too many factors that decide that. (example food companies can be off by 40% or more legally, other things say no calories but do have calories, how you cook/prep food changes calories substantially) but let's say you COULD track them to a tee just for fun. still your calories out CHANGES everyday! when you eat during the day changes it, how you prep your food changes it, when you exercise, what type of food, their fiber content, their sugar content, their refined oils content, your gut health, your number of bowel movements, what steroids you might take, what Rx drugs you take (ask a diabetic how eating raw fruit effects their blood sugar vs. juicing that same fruit) different foods partition different, different foods satiete differently, there are dozens of things that effect it. back to the fruit example. when you remove the fiber from that fruit you turn that fruit from something healthy to unhealthy. that fiber helps blunt a rapid insulin spike and blood sugar reaction, this is why you should eat more raw fruit and less juices/smoothies. yet in both example same calories!

so you will never pinpiont exactly how many calories in vs. calories out you are eating. this leads to guys saying "i'm gonna eat 3000 calories today" and then being at 2700 for the day and saying "well let me eat this slice of pizza and pepsi since i have 300 calories to spare." well doing that will screw up your insulin levels, your gut health, and metabolism. so that is a very damaging 300 calories. this is one example where counting calories fucks people up and prevents them from actually reaching their fitness goals.

but again don't just #trustmebro do your own homework on this stuff. just because some skinny meathead on steroids eats what they want and gets away with it cause they have skinny genetics, doesn't mean that is what works on 99.9% of the population. that is NOT anectodal evidence, that is just coincidence. 2 different things.

i have studies done on humans over the course of years backing up what i am saying. here is one study to look at. 7 year study that showed eating in a deficit did not work in over 99% of people. they also have done other studies on high end athletes with gifted genetics, that number of failure was over 95% every time no matter what setting they were in and averaged 98%. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/202138

it just does not work as much as we want to believe it does. our bodies are too complex, we aren't robots. we are built like this to survive everything mother nature throws at us. now can you imagine if we burned the same calories in all situations no matter how much food we ate? humans would have went exctinct a long time ago lol. of course that isn't how our bodies work. our bodies ADAPT daily to different situations. in africa during the dry season lions don't eat much for a couple months, do they still burn up the same calories? of course not. their bodies adjust. then when rainy season comes they start eating again. how about polar bears? they hibernate and eat nothing, then wake up and hike 100's of miles to find food. how do they do that? humans are the same. we've fought wars and marched days with no food in full armor where the king promised we would get food after. thankfully our bodies could adjust to that and we didn't burn calories as fast. our bodies metabolism are like a furnace, you can raise or lower the temp. we don't just stay at the same metabolism. does this make sense?

and then don't get me into the water debate. literally the type of water you drink can make a huge difference in your bodies health and how it operates too. i've discussed water a lot in my podcasts. it makes a difference if you are drinking good water or bad water. a huge difference. yet in all situations whether you drink tap water or high quality spring water they all have guess what? 0 calories! so if we are to believe in the calorie argument does that mean there is no difference between drinking pesticide and chlorine ridden tap water and mineral rich spring water? just that alone should give you pause and make you wonder if 'counting calories' and ignoring types of calories is the real deal. :confused:
 
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@BuffBaker34 @LevButlerov : Wow thanks you ! It's always nice to hear that, and gives a little more motivation !

@stevesmi : Really interesting as it's not the speech that we often hear

I am totally agree with you about "TYPES of calories you eat matter, not the AMOUNT of calories you eat. same with macros. there is a difference between the fat from refined oils and the fat from unrefined coconut oil" You can eat 100g of carbs from french fries or sweet potato, 100g of fat from cheese/burger or eggs/beef/nuts.

But, if you don't track anything, how can you be able to know if you are eating 2000 or 3000kcal ? 200 or 300g of carbs ? For me, if you don't track anything you can't achieve your goals, especially when they are high.

I haven't tracked for years. But the answer is simple:

Are you gaining when you wanna gain?

Losing when you wanna lose?

Lean when you wanna be lean?

By way of example (and keep in mind I'm more of a strength athlete) parts of me are kinda lean. I'll have veins pop up on my forearm and shins. I can pop a quad all day long. But I've more of a power belly than a six pack. That's down to cake, biscuits, puddings and ice cream.

Now the issues for many are either they are skinny but will claim to 'eat loads' or fat but claim to 'hardly eat at all' and both those things are patently lies. If a skinny / underweight person actually ate loads they'd gain. The reverse is true for the fat. Few (next to none) have real and proper medical metabolic issues. The same applies to those who think are burning more calories than they are etc.

Now they're are a ton of apps people can use. Heck, I've one on my phone which counts my steps. But here we are on a forum where guys (as most are guys) struggle to get it right and ask for help and advice. Those same apps are only as good as the info we give them. If, for example, you don't include the drink you just had or that snack and so on then it'll not have the right info. And f**k spending 5 minutes after very morsel which goes in my mouth typing it in.
 
my comment is maybe not what you want to hear and what others want to hear but tracking your diet like this is just not the way to go and very counter productive. the first thing i tell my clients who come to me for diet help is STOP TRACKING THIS STUFF. get rid of these apps. they do way more harm than good and none of these numbers mean anything in the grand scheme of things because the TYPES of calories you eat matter, not the AMOUNT of calories you eat. same with macros. there is a difference between the fat from refined oils and the fat from unrefined coconut oil

Not this again! So Steve, if I eat 10,000 cals per day of the right TYPES of calories then am I going to stay fit and healthy!? No of course not.

Tracking is the ONLY way to monitor your intake when you’re attempting to gain/lose weight. It’s simple science, calories in vs calories out.
 
Not this again! So Steve, if I eat 10,000 cals per day of the right TYPES of calories then am I going to stay fit and healthy!? No of course not.

Tracking is the ONLY way to monitor your intake when you’re attempting to gain/lose weight. It’s simple science, calories in vs calories out.

calories in and out MATTER.

you aren't listening to what i am saying


i'm actually the one making that point in the first place.

so if you eat 10000 calories in your example of course you will gain fat assuming you burn less calories that day. but in the process your metabolism also goes up so you are burning more. your body STORES that excess energy to be used at a later date.

now the next day your calories in goes down to 500 only. your metabolism will go down and you will burn less. your body will tape into that excess energy from the day before.

you don't' burn the same everyday. so let's use a real world example. let's say you say "i'm going to eat 3000 calories a day" cause i want to stay at maintenance, and you are able to track it exact (which isn't possible but let's assume it is) you will never able to know how many calories you burn that day out. cause it changes everyday depending on many factors including TYPES of calories

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/202138 look at this study. then go back and read my previous post and i explain why there is a 99% failure rate

so my point in all of this is why complicate shit and make things harder on yourself?

if you want to give yourself the best chance to stay fit and healthy you want to CYCLE your foods and calories, eat nutritious whole foods, and eat in a time restricted window when you are hungry. don't even count what you eat. know the foods you are eating speficially. VS. tracking your calories and macros like a robot and going against how nature intended.

your 10000 calorie example is a great one, i am glad you brought it up. however it isn't realistic cause no human being is really hungry enough to eat 10000 calories a day unless they have a major psychological problem. most humans on the planet live off 1000 calories a day at most. that is plenty of food and keeps them alive. when i was in India i visited a village and they offered me a plate of food and that plate of food was more food than they eat IN A MONTH!! just that small plate of veggies and beans. just showing you an example of how our bodies adjust to very little food. their metabolisms were so slow that even for them eating 100-200 calories a day was a lot of food. them eating that little food was NOT them eating in a deficit. but to a normal American it is starvation. your body absolutely will adjust.

now let's go back to the 10000 calorie thing. i will take your bait on that. if you ate 10000 calories of cookies, ice cream and cake then YES it would be much different then if you ate 10000 calories of coconut oil, fruit, brown rice, avocado, wild fish and coconuts. no different then if you ate 1000 calories of pizza and coke vs. 1000 calories of nuts. it would have a siginificantly different effect on your insulin levels, gut health, energy levels, etc. in fact there have been shipwrecked people on islands who have eaten coconuts for a week until they were rescued and each coconut was 2000 calories. so if you ate 5 coconuts a day that is in fact 10000 calories. were they fat when they were rescued a week later? but i bet had they eaten 10000 calories of cake, ice cream, and pizza during that week they would have been. in fact by all means experiment on yourself. do a week of eating just coconuts and then do a week of eating pizza, soda, cake, ice cream and restaurant food. in fact do 12000 calories of coconuts and do just 10000 calories of the other food and i bet you at the end of the week you will gain way more weight doing the 10000 calories. you know why? cause those 10000 calories a day will cause your body to store way more food and effect how it burns calories.

but like i said don't take my word for it man. i'm not about the whole #trustmebro twitter approach. here are more studies compliments of Dr. Fung https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTSbAAktfs&ab_channel=JasonFung
 
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You look great man, nice job. I would have less protein powder if it was me. I just prefer to stick to real food. And you definitely do not need dextrose during training. Only water. For the most part though, you have good clean foods in there. Just adjust more or less total food if you are not on track for where you want to be.

Yep, drop the protein powder. One, are you really getting what's labeled on the nutrition facts? Also, bc of all the preservatives which make you retain water. Wanna look granite, not bubbly...
 
Stevesmi and I chatted about this on an upcoming podcast. Indeed a couple. We do NOT nor should we eat the exact same amounts every day. In spite of thinking otherwise we've barely changed since we stood up from the trees. As we are now has barely been 20000 years and we've only really been doing the 3 meals a day thing for 200 years tops. Ask your nans and grandads if they counted calories or ate the exact same thing every day.

At the most you should average out the same amount every day over a week. So, assuming a daily average of 3000, one day could be 2800 and another 3200 and so on
 
do animals in nature track their foods? you eat when you are hungry. tracking your food intake is counter intuitive to what nature intended. if you have ever went fishing and you put your lure right in front of a fish and he doesn't bite you wonder why. he just isn't hungry. same reason lions don't attack the gazelles in Africa who are drinking next to them.

yes i understand bodybuilding is different in that we want to force feed our muscles nutrition. but still, nature is nature. look at Mike Rashid. he doesn't track a thing and eats 1 meal a day.

also another thing about calorie intake that is interesting that nobody will admit. when you eat more calories your body also burns more calories, when your body eats less it burns less. crazy huh? well that is because our bodies are like a furnace. it is called survival. we would be screwed as humans if we ate little calories cause we couldn't find food that day, same with all animals. nature gave us the ability to eat less some days and more others. when you eat more your body will rev up metabolism and then store excess to be used for energy at a later time. when you eat less your body adjusts and uses energy from the stored fat in our bodies. it is a constant thing back and forth.

so my point is focus less on calories NUMBER, and just on calories TYPES. because although calorines in/out matters, the calories OUT changes on a day to day basis based on the types of calories you eat, when you eat, how you eat, and hormonal changes. this is why you see some guys posting "i'm on tren and eat anything i want and keep losing fat". it is because that tren changed their body

if you truly want to nail down your diet to a tee, put high octane fuel in it only. that is the secret. don't worry about how little or lot of that fuel you put in cause it will and SHOULD change up daily. eating the same foods and calories everyday is a great way to fuck up your bodies hormones and metabolism.

i highly recommend everyone take some hours out of their life and get the book Obesity Code by Jason Fung. it contains all the studies and science to back up what i am saying. so it isn't me pulling a nelson montana and just spouting my opinions as facts. these are the biggest and longest human studies ever done on nutrition which flies in the face of bro science you hear in the gym like "gotta eat 3X your body weight in protein" or "count your macros"

Nelson Montana lol. In short time here I already figured that one out. Anyway, all you said brother is LOUD n CLEAR! I've worked with Farrah n Nameen for few years and clearly this the info I've learned and more. Glad to see there's a knowledgeable expert in nutrition in this forum. Sleep first, Diet #2, then gym, and finally, everyday life (stress, workload, physical activity, etc...)....
 
Nelson Montana lol. In short time here I already figured that one out. Anyway, all you said brother is LOUD n CLEAR! I've worked with Farrah n Nameen for few years and clearly this the info I've learned and more. Glad to see there's a knowledgeable expert in nutrition in this forum. Sleep first, Diet #2, then gym, and finally, everyday life (stress, workload, physical activity, etc...)....

I try my best man.

i really want guys to open their eyes to this stuff and stop just listening to the bro science like we see on social media. i follow NFL close and a lot of these beat writers just put out BS and their sources are #trustmebro, especially this time of year with free agency and the draft. the same thing happens on fitness forums especially over the years. but now it is 2021 and its not like it used to be on fitness forums where you can just say someone is wrong and not back it up with actual studies.

i always put out studies and science in my posts that are controversial like this. i asked a guy on another forum arguing with me to find me a study showing i am wrong here and he found 1 and then turns out that study proved the opposite of what he thought cause he read it wrong. i think if people started opening their eyes more they would logically conclude that 10000 calories of coconuts is not gonna do the same thing to your body as 10000 calories of ice cream. i mean it is easy to prove just by trying it and taking your blood sugar and even things like checking your bowel movements. different foods do different things to our bodies

if guys would just stop being stubborn and understand nutrition imagine how much better their results would be.

Farrah and Nameen are two of the best. you are listening to the right guys. I actually interviewed Farrah years ago on my old podcast. he is very bright. Chris aceto is also another very bright guy i interviewed and we talked after the podcast, he is one of the most smart guys out there
 
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I try my best man.

i really want guys to open their eyes to this stuff and stop just listening to the bro science like we see on social media. i follow NFL close and a lot of these beat writers just put out BS and their sources are #trustmebro, especially this time of year with free agency and the draft. the same thing happens on fitness forums especially over the years. but now it is 2021 and its not like it used to be on fitness forums where you can just say someone is wrong and not back it up with actual studies.

i always put out studies and science in my posts that are controversial like this. i asked a guy on another forum arguing with me to find me a study showing i am wrong here and he found 1 and then turns out that study proved the opposite of what he thought cause he read it wrong. i think if people started opening their eyes more they would logically conclude that 10000 calories of coconuts is not gonna do the same thing to your body as 10000 calories of ice cream. i mean it is easy to prove just by trying it and taking your blood sugar and even things like checking your bowel movements. different foods do different things to our bodies

if guys would just stop being stubborn and understand nutrition imagine how much better their results would be.

Farrah and Nameen are two of the best. you are listening to the right guys. I actually interviewed Farrah years ago on my old podcast. he is very bright. Chris aceto is also another very bright guy i interviewed and we talked after the podcast, he is one of the most smart guys out there

Yeah, he and Nichols did an excellent job with Big Ramy. I see what you're saying about many false info on dieting has been spreading for years. We live in a snowflake world. People want the easy way out, as well as people do any thing to make money, so yeah, not just nutrition but exercising and everything has been misled for awhile. Makes you wonder why we see so many of certain plans/techniques and then totally opposite of it flying in in every directions. Certainly can easily be misleading. Old school is old school. If majority like the Physiques back in those days then why not just stick to those rules??!!
 
it is amazing that today i came across 2 points of view on this subject:

I came across this article today and it sums it up well

the title

"Counting calories is basically pointless, so why are we still doing it?"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coun...unhealthy,anxiety and depression, Sharma said.

and then i saw some 25 year old fitness guru posting on yahoo who said the opposite (lol at a 25 year old lecturing people about anything, much less nutrition LOL! give me a fucking break)

he was saying it doesn't matter what you eat as long as it 'fits your macros'

so no wonder everyone is so confused about this shit. we keep being told conflicting information.

next time someone wants to attack a fat person for being fat remember it isn't their fault when they are being told conflicting information like this!
 
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And let's face it, our modern sedentary lifestyle is what's killing us. Someone brought up how we diet compared to our ancestors. Not only were they typically eating better food, their lifestyle was much more active due to technology. Either they were walking more, or doing more "standing up" type of work, burning more calories during the day than most of us modern folks do. IMO, everything our lifestyle is about is convenience. Making life "easier", therefore less physical stress on our bodies meaning less calories burned. Add mental stress/cortisol, and it's recipe for obesity. End of my rant
 
And let's face it, our modern sedentary lifestyle is what's killing us. Someone brought up how we diet compared to our ancestors. Not only were they typically eating better food, their lifestyle was much more active due to technology. Either they were walking more, or doing more "standing up" type of work, burning more calories during the day than most of us modern folks do. IMO, everything our lifestyle is about is convenience. Making life "easier", therefore less physical stress on our bodies meaning less calories burned. Add mental stress/cortisol, and it's recipe for obesity. End of my rant

in the blue zones they moderately exercise but not what people think. they do a lot of outdoor activities, go for long walks, swim, etc.

the misconception on the other hand is that our ancestors did a lot of exercise. they were actually quite lazy, but they had to exercise daily to find food, prep food, fix their shelters, and fight off predators and other humans. the exercised not out of pleasure but out of survival, just like animals in the wild. many water mammals travel many miles everyday

and then on the other side many people do literally no exercise everyday, except if you count walking to the fridge or their car

so there needs to be the right balance
 
And let's face it, our modern sedentary lifestyle is what's killing us. Someone brought up how we diet compared to our ancestors. Not only were they typically eating better food, their lifestyle was much more active due to technology. Either they were walking more, or doing more "standing up" type of work, burning more calories during the day than most of us modern folks do. IMO, everything our lifestyle is about is convenience. Making life "easier", therefore less physical stress on our bodies meaning less calories burned. Add mental stress/cortisol, and it's recipe for obesity. End of my rant

A great rant.
 
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