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doing roids been overweight body fat over 25%

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As I understand you guys here preach that you have to get your body fat down to 14-15% to be able to do a cycle of steroids. The explanations I read sound like a lot of broscience that has more to do with juicers wanting us newbies to go through a sort of hazing phase or something. Just wondering here what could really happen if you do a cycle of testosterone and anavar with your BF at 25%?
Is anybody really going to die because they used steroids at high bodyfat percentages and when it comes to bodyfat levels, what is the real difference between 15% and 25% for using steroids?
 
Fuck around and try it!?! 75% of the information across the Internet is regurgitated info..so if it were myself, I'd do it.


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if your body fat is at 25% your diet is most likely not appropriate to maximize your steroid cycle anyways. Steroids will not make you thin, hard work and dieting will.

Another thing to think about is high blood pressure from the steroids. These things are no joke.

Im currently dropping my bf% to prepare for a cycle. If the experienced posters here tell you something or you read a post in a different thread from them dont just call it "bro science", listen to them. There is a reason they are telling you these things. And if you read other posts about this youll find those reasons are real and not BS.
 
As I understand you guys here preach that you have to get your body fat down to 14-15% to be able to do a cycle of steroids. The explanations I read sound like a lot of broscience that has more to do with juicers wanting us newbies to go through a sort of hazing phase or something. Just wondering here what could really happen if you do a cycle of testosterone and anavar with your BF at 25%?
Is anybody really going to die because they used steroids at high bodyfat percentages and when it comes to bodyfat levels, what is the real difference between 15% and 25% for using steroids?

OK, here's the reason we want you to get that Body Fat down.
If you're Body Fat is at 25%, well you already have a Problem with Excess Estrogen, possibly High Blood Pressure & High Cholesterol.

Now Toss in some AAS that Aromatize, so now you have even more Estrogen, causing Water Retention and Bloating.
This causes Blood Pressure to rise.

And the the Excess Estrogen causes Progesterone to rise.
If Estrogen and Progesterone stay Elevated for any length of time, then they will Suddenly Fall.
Prolactin will rise, and you have Prolactin Gyno, and Lactating Nipples......................................... JP
P.S.
But Hey, WTF do I know, I'm on the Internet.
 
OK, here's the reason we want you to get that Body Fat down.
If you're Body Fat is at 25%, well you already have a Problem with Excess Estrogen, possibly High Blood Pressure & High Cholesterol.

Now Toss in some AAS that Aromatize, so now you have even more Estrogen, causing Water Retention and Bloating.
This causes Blood Pressure to rise.

And the the Excess Estrogen causes Progesterone to rise.
If Estrogen and Progesterone stay Elevated for any length of time, then they will Suddenly Fall.
Prolactin will rise, and you have Prolactin Gyno, and Lactating Nipples......................................... JP
P.S.
But Hey, WTF do I know, I'm on the Internet.


This is dead on. Aside from the health risks, put a guy at 25% bodyfat on Test/Dbol or Test/Deca and he will look much fatter mid cycle, despite the added muscle growth he might have attained on cycle. So as a whole, when taking AAS when bodyfat is high you will look like shit, feel like shit and throw your health in shit as well. That’s a “shitty” way to cycle.

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P.S. I feel the need to add...that there is an exception to what I just said above. The only time where I would recommend someone at a high bodyfat to use AAS is if that person’s goal is to loss as much fat as possible while retaining strength and whatever muscle mass they might have. In such scenario, (assuming the person has commenced a solid diet/training protocol geared towards fatloss) stacking a fat burner like Clenbuterol with a mild Anabolic at a low dose just to preserve muscle mass would a good idea. (E.g 40mg of Anavar/day).
 
OK, here's the reason we want you to get that Body Fat down.
If you're Body Fat is at 25%, well you already have a Problem with Excess Estrogen, possibly High Blood Pressure & High Cholesterol.

Now Toss in some AAS that Aromatize, so now you have even more Estrogen, causing Water Retention and Bloating.
This causes Blood Pressure to rise.

And the the Excess Estrogen causes Progesterone to rise.
If Estrogen and Progesterone stay Elevated for any length of time, then they will Suddenly Fall.
Prolactin will rise, and you have Prolactin Gyno, and Lactating Nipples......................................... JP
P.S.
But Hey, WTF do I know, I'm on the Internet.

This is 100% right. My advice to you would be to read everything @JP4355 writes, write it down and then read it another 5 times. He looks better in his mid 50s then 95% of the guys on the boards.

Will you die from using steroids at 25% body fat? No.

However, using steroids at a high body fat percentage is going to put a lot of stress on your body. Not only that, it's counter productive. You will probably end up getting gyno from the cycle because the higher your body fat percentage the more testosterone will aromatize into estrogen.

I would hold off on starting a cycle until you have your diet and training down first. Get your body fat down to at least 14% before starting a cycle. If you want to supplement your diet and training with anything, look into SARMS. Particularly the SARMS triple stack. http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

SARMS will directly increase fat loss, endurance, recovery and small increases in muscle mass.

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

SARMS are minimally suppressive, there is no risk of aromatization (therefore no estrogen related side effects) and legal to use. You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com
 
Really, apart from what has been already mentioned by @jp, all of which I second, the fact that you got such a high BF% means that you are either not training, or you do not follow any sort of diet. This is quite an issue, because steroids are no magic pills - even when taking them, you still need to follow a very good diet in order to get good results, and you need to train a lot. Otherwise, you would be just taking them in vain, which is completely pointless.
 
To Muskate:
I'm Smiling, thanks for making me Much Younger than I am.
I'm 62 in my Avatar.
I wish I was still in my Mid 50's............................................... JP
 
its not bro science at all

JP nailed it

this is a lifestyle and at 25% body fat you aren't even close to being in the lifestyle .

steroids won't kill ya but they will damn well strain the shit out of your organs, especially the heart. your side effects will be horrible
 
It is really just about overall heath. Steroids put a lot of stress on the body and at a higher body fat your organs are already under more stress than they would like. Also, if you ran a cycle there is a great chance you would just look even worse. There would be no muscle definition so you may appear just fat.
 
Also, at such bodyfat level, even if you gain muscle, you will barely see anything because of that thick layer of fat
 
The guys all gave you the best advice there is to give.

You asked...."will i die if I take steroids at high body fat"..... The anwser...I guess not. But being so over weight can cause major health issues such as diabetes, high blood pressure, etc etc etc.

The assumption made by the guys that you probably have a shitty diet and poor (if any) training regime....leads me to believe that you don't monitor your health to closely with blood work etc.....

Heres my issue....You might have any number of under lying health issues as we speak....which are un diagnosed...therefore could using steroids at such high body fat kill you.....yup!

I'm not saying that someone who is leaner and in better shape couldn't have this same dilemma...but it's far more unlikely.

Get your body fat down not only So you can safely use steriods but also so you can be healthy person.

Good luck
 
All of the above plus a bit from me. Am not a fitness expert, but am a medical professional!! Here is what can happen with you being so terribly out of shape to begin with. Your body fat is too high.Steroids are testosterone based and testosterone will convert to estrogen, a female hormone, much more easily. You risc shutting down your natural testosterone pemanently and your prolactin levels will rise giving you bitch tits producing actual milk you could feed babies with. You blood pressure will rise so much you will likely be in Stage one Hypertension or worse putting a strain on your heart leading to early myocardial infarction and dead heat muscle. This will be permanent. Your sex drive will remain in toilet because your heat is not strong enough for sexual activity. Steroids are not magic pills. If you do not have drive to get in shape without them, then adding them will only make things worse!! We do not want you to put though ritual hazing, ok? We want you to do it right and not wind up with a body in condition of a man of 84 years old. At 30! Start off with sarms if you need help and get that BF DOWN!!!! Then decide is AAS are ight for you.
 
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