Veteran Thread Dorian Yates-isms

[Mobster]

For some years Dorian Yates can be found to talk in a statement like way about some aspects of PEDs, nutrition and especially training. When I say 'statement' he makes it seem as though there is little to no argument to what has been said. I'll list them when I see them. Feel free to argue back

Here's the first:
You hold back when you do more than 1 work set.
Now that MUST be true. If you went balls out on the first set you'd take as long as said muscle might need to recover. That might be days. He used the example of four work sets (let's say chest).

Now he also makes the above point by inferring that if you had NO CHOICE but to do one set you'd pour everything into it. Now again that's also kinda obvious.

The question or, better, suggestion is that one set - done full bore and to failure - is enough to stimulate growth. Now I'll point out that on occasion he did 2 work sets and only at the very end of his career did he do one work set per exercise but did also do 2-3 movements per bodypart

Here's No2
Pulldowns
Don't do wide grip or similar but, instead, do the hands close together palms towards you version. Two reasons - the additional carry over strength from the biceps allowing for greater inroad into the lat being worked. The other is the pulling down and back (similar to pullovers at the bottom and so more directly hitting the lats) of the elbow and upper arms. The trick, not mentioned, is to not have the hands too close together. For myself, if I give it a try, close would be somewhat difficult anyway as I'm not surer I have the flexibility anymore nor could I get my elbows back far enough to do it justice.

There's an argument to be made that said style of training is so god damned brutal it's just too hard to do regularly.

 

[Mobster]

When you need to change (and I've itlaicized the, for me, key points)
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results…

If you’ve not progressed in the last two months then I guarantee if you keep doing the same thing, you will not progress in the next two months.

Track your workouts, analyse the numbers and make adjustments.
I strongly recommend people take a week off completely to recover and return to a brief, simple routine and you’ll see the progress.
Obviously it goes without saying that you have to put in 100% effort!

 

[Mobster]

More intensity, not more volume.

''In some cases yes, more is better but not in this case… More intensity!

You can’t train with super high intensity and focus for very long, you can’t go in with 100% effort for very long at all. I trained only 4x per week max with each session being under an hour, that’s it!
I remember Mike Mentzer used to say, “If you go outside and sprint with maximum effort, how long before it turns into a semi jog?”

So if volume was the key factor, why wouldn’t we continually increase our amount of volume. Why not do 50 sets or 100 sets?

Increase your intensity.
Short intense, max effort, targeted training and proper recovery''

I agree with this one cos I've seen a few here doing 22 sets for biceps alone and they are NOT giants with huge arms

 

[stevesmi]

When you need to change (and I've itlaicized the, for me, key points)
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results…

If you’ve not progressed in the last two months then I guarantee if you keep doing the same thing, you will not progress in the next two months.

Track your workouts, analyse the numbers and make adjustments.
I strongly recommend people take a week off completely to recover and return to a brief, simple routine and you’ll see the progress.
Obviously it goes without saying that you have to put in 100% effort!

this is a smart and logical point

and it can apply to everything. i've fished with people for years who refuse to change their bait/pole/gear etc. they don't catch fish like i do but they been fishing for 40 years.

 

[Mobster]

Don't change what works
I know, as Stevesmi and I occasionally discuss, a bit about the history. It was common for many trainees to change routines when new magazines came out. Equally there are those that do so for the mental stimulation. As Dorian states 'if it is working don't fix it'. He adds 'your body doesn't know what exercise you're doing (your brain does)... only what works and what doesn't'.

 

[RoidRage69]

Quality over quantity always wins out. You have to train hard in order to grow. You have to be uncomfortable in order to grow.

 

[LevButlerov]

For some years Dorian Yates can be found to talk in a statement like way about some aspects of PEDs, nutrition and especially training. When I say 'statement' he makes it seem as though there is little to no argument to what has been said. I'll list them when I see them. Feel free to argue back

Here's the first:
You hold back when you do more than 1 work set.
Now that MUST be true. If you went balls out on the first set you'd take as long as said muscle might need to recover. That might be days. He used the example of four work sets (let's say chest).

Now he also makes the above point by inferring that if you had NO CHOICE but to do one set you'd pour everything into it. Now again that's also kinda obvious.

The question or, better, suggestion is that one set - done full bore and to failure - is enough to stimulate growth. Now I'll point out that on occasion he did 2 work sets and only at the very end of his career did he do one work set per exercise but did also do 2-3 movements per bodypart

Here's No2
Pulldowns
Don't do wide grip or similar but, instead, do the hands close together palms towards you version. Two reasons - the additional carry over strength from the biceps allowing for greater inroad into the lat being worked. The other is the pulling down and back (similar to pullovers at the bottom and so more directly hitting the lats) of the elbow and upper arms. The trick, not mentioned, is to not have the hands too close together. For myself, if I give it a try, close would be somewhat difficult anyway as I'm not surer I have the flexibility anymore nor could I get my elbows back far enough to do it justice.

There's an argument to be made that said style of training is so god damned brutal it's just too hard to do regularly.

When you need to change (and I've itlaicized the, for me, key points)
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results…

If you’ve not progressed in the last two months then I guarantee if you keep doing the same thing, you will not progress in the next two months.

Track your workouts, analyse the numbers and make adjustments.
I strongly recommend people take a week off completely to recover and return to a brief, simple routine and you’ll see the progress.
Obviously it goes without saying that you have to put in 100% effort!

More intensity, not more volume.

''In some cases yes, more is better but not in this case… More intensity!

You can’t train with super high intensity and focus for very long, you can’t go in with 100% effort for very long at all. I trained only 4x per week max with each session being under an hour, that’s it!
I remember Mike Mentzer used to say, “If you go outside and sprint with maximum effort, how long before it turns into a semi jog?”

So if volume was the key factor, why wouldn’t we continually increase our amount of volume. Why not do 50 sets or 100 sets?

Increase your intensity.
Short intense, max effort, targeted training and proper recovery''

I agree with this one cos I've seen a few here doing 22 sets for biceps alone and they are NOT giants with huge arms

@Mobster I always think training should change, I dont like to see guys doing the same training or SAME diet
it makes no sense as the muscles dont get new angles and new foods, I want to see more changes and more Dorian style pushing from EVO family members

great post @Mobster RESPECT

 

[Mobster]

@Mobster I always think training should change, I dont like to see guys doing the same training or SAME diet
it makes no sense as the muscles dont get new angles and new foods, I want to see more changes and more Dorian style pushing from EVO family members

great post @Mobster RESPECT

Explain why. I was clear with the 'if it works - leave it' or 'if it doesn't change it'. It might just be what YOU want vs what they want. You've literally studied to highish level so must KNOW that the 'new angles' is not at all science based

I kinda agree with what I sometimes see and wanting to shake those people up (train harder and heavier, do less volume and you'll growe bitches) but we also (inc DY himself) need to understand that not everyone wants what we want. Equally no one 'needs new food' just cos or 'new angles' again just cos. I MIGHT agree also with changing an angle (not just cos) if the new angle works better

Thanks for the great post comment.

 

[Mobster]

Reason why you might not be progressing (by DY)
It could be down to:

1. You’re not stimulating growth. You’re going through the motions during your training, you’re not giving 100% focus or training to failure and often beyond.

2. The odd protein shake every other day won’t cut it. Your nutrition is poor. You’re not eating what YOUR body needs to recover and grow without putting on excess fat.

3. You’re training too frequently. You’re not giving yourself enough time to recover and GROW!

 

[Mobster]

More on changing exercises by DY:

There’s nothing magic about changing your exercise!

And there is no magic exercise. Often on social media, people will see someone doing an exercise that probably looks ‘cool’, but it’s probably a waste of time and more for the look.

I teach about training for RESULTS!

There is no magic exercise.
I’ve spoken with the champs, we all pretty much do the same exercises!

I was doing pretty much the same exercises from the start of my bodybuilding journey, till the end.
Close grip pulldowns, barbell rows, incline/decline barbell press, dumbbell shoulder press, seated cable rows, hack squats and others.

The only reason I switched from dumbbell shoulder press over to the Smith Machine press, was because it became near dangerous to get the dumbbells passed up into position by my training partners.

Choose the tried and tested exercises for those muscle groups you want to train and stop wasting time on ‘magic exercises’.

The basics have stood the test of time… because they work!

 

[Quadsweep]

i agree with you
its the same concept with training

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro I believe in killing it every workout
I train every day like a machine

 

[JasonPriest]

Dorian is one of the pros who know their stuff
many just get by based on their genetics

 

[Wootoom]

Sometimes the best teachers in weight training aren't the ones who look like it
it's just like that in any sport

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

when it comes to training I believe that it takes time to build muscle memory
so I don't necessarily think that three months is enough time to actually see results if you're new to it

 

[2Thick]

sometimes people think you have to keep changing things up
it's like you have to trick the body

 

[e2]

I don't necessarily think that it makes sense to keep changing things
keeping things the same and giving in an honest chance can be crucial

 

[Mobster]

when it comes to training I believe that it takes time to build muscle memory
so I don't necessarily think that three months is enough time to actually see results if you're new to it

Agreed. But few to none here have that apply to them.

 

[ceo]

Bros mobster you are a wise man
you should write a training book

 

[ROIDDERS]

dorian yates is a good guy
I like how he shares his secrets and knowledge