Fasted training on AAS

[kickshaw39]

So there are a bunch of articles and research pieces that support intermittent fasting as a way of losing fat while retaining muscle. The EVO mainpage has an article supporting fasting. I've done a version of intermittent fasting, eating only between noon and 8pm with good results, but I always train in the afternoons while doing it after having eaten a big meal a few hours before. I'm planning a cutting cycle for the future, and I know my schedule at that time will lend itself to morning training. I'm wondering how fasted training would go, especially fasted training on AAS, probably primo, with no post-workout nutrition until hours later. I've read that calorie free BCAAs pre and post workout are one way to go, but the author of that advice was not considering steroids already in the system, so I wonder if they're even necessary. I'm concerned about having the energy to go all out, and I sure as hell don't want to catabolize muscle. Anyone have experience with this or resources to direct me to?

 

[str8fl3xin]

If your body doesn't have fuel it goes catabolic. It doesn't turn fat into energy very efficiently so it's going to have to come from somewhere else too... and that place is your muscle.

I've done fasted workouts before and quite honestly they sucked. I was very unhappy with my performance they took even longer to complete because I had to rest longer in-between sets and I couldn't lift as much weight.

If you are trying to build muscle I'd avoid fasted training. I would however recommend them for depletion workouts before carb loading for a competition.

 

[gearhead]

bro i do fast but only once per week max, check this out: http://www.evolutionary.org/evolutionary-fasting

 

[kickshaw39]

bro i do fast but only once per week max, check this out: http://www.evolutionary.org/evolutionary-fasting

I like that article bro, but it doesn't say when to train.

 

[kickshaw39]

If your body doesn't have fuel it goes catabolic. It doesn't turn fat into energy very efficiently so it's going to have to come from somewhere else too... and that place is your muscle.

I've done fasted workouts before and quite honestly they sucked. I was very unhappy with my performance they took even longer to complete because I had to rest longer in-between sets and I couldn't lift as much weight.

If you are trying to build muscle I'd avoid fasted training. I would however recommend them for depletion workouts before carb loading for a competition.

I don't want my work outs to suck and then loose muscle. It's just seems like if I'm gonna go calorie deficit, I may as well get the added benefits of intermittent fasting, but I'm gonna have to workout in the AM on that cycle, so I guess I better keep my mind open to the usual 6 small meals a day plan.
I'm bulking now. If I can just keep what I'm gaining and lose fat on the future cutting cycle, I'd be happy, but I've read that primo can add a bit of muscle even in calorie deficit, which would thrill me.

 

[stevesmi]

everyone will react differently man.

you have to try new stuff out yourself.. some guys swear by this strategy others do not

 

[LevButlerov]

everyone will react differently man.

you have to try new stuff out yourself.. some guys swear by this strategy others do not

I will go even further in this advice - you may react differently to the same approach at different moments of your life. So you will never know for sure untill you give it a shot.

 

[str8fl3xin]

In general aas will help gain muscle even at a caloric deficit. With intermittent fasting it doesn't make sense to me how fasted workouts would be beneficial if you don't eat for hours later.

Once you start your workout your body/muscles have an increased nutrient demand- ATP, amino acids, H20, etc. If you don't have a surplus going into the workout or replenish them afterwards your body will pull it from other areas not under stress then after your done it will try to return to homeostasis.

My suggestion would be to take some time and find out how many calories your body needs to maintain weight for a few weeks with your current workout load. Then plan your food and training around that by adding cardio and lowering the calories slightly to put you in the deficit you want.

You could still do an intermittent fasting diet if you changed the eating time to allow you to eat before and after training. Eating from 8am to 4pm could be the answer.

 

[kickshaw39]

In general aas will help gain muscle even at a caloric deficit. With intermittent fasting it doesn't make sense to me how fasted workouts would be beneficial if you don't eat for hours later.

Once you start your workout your body/muscles have an increased nutrient demand- ATP, amino acids, H20, etc. If you don't have a surplus going into the workout or replenish them afterwards your body will pull it from other areas not under stress then after your done it will try to return to homeostasis.

My suggestion would be to take some time and find out how many calories your body needs to maintain weight for a few weeks with your current workout load. Then plan your food and training around that by adding cardio and lowering the calories slightly to put you in the deficit you want.

You could still do an intermittent fasting diet if you changed the eating time to allow you to eat before and after training. Eating from 8am to 4pm could be the answer.

Thanks Bro! For some reason, I was completely stuck on the idea of eating from noon to 8, as if skipping breakfast is the only way to do this! Of course I could have a morning eating window and just stop eating later in the day. I'll train in a fed state, and get a post workout meal. Might be tough falling asleep on an empty stomach....I'll see how that goes.

 

[str8fl3xin]

Glad I could help.

 

[Neanderthrone]

I fast most mornings before cardio help me burn fat in the mornings while I eat plenty of protein and carbs in the afternoon time when I hit the gym to lift weights. I have never really fasted for lifting weights as I don't think it will be beneficial at all. When it comes to cardio I see a real benefit from doing it on an empty stomach and forcing my body to burn stored energy.

 

[muskate]

So there are a bunch of articles and research pieces that support intermittent fasting as a way of losing fat while retaining muscle. The EVO mainpage has an article supporting fasting. I've done a version of intermittent fasting, eating only between noon and 8pm with good results, but I always train in the afternoons while doing it after having eaten a big meal a few hours before. I'm planning a cutting cycle for the future, and I know my schedule at that time will lend itself to morning training. I'm wondering how fasted training would go, especially fasted training on AAS, probably primo, with no post-workout nutrition until hours later. I've read that calorie free BCAAs pre and post workout are one way to go, but the author of that advice was not considering steroids already in the system, so I wonder if they're even necessary. I'm concerned about having the energy to go all out, and I sure as hell don't want to catabolize muscle. Anyone have experience with this or resources to direct me to?

In my opinion, intermediate fasting is the latest fad. The body is not black and white. You can still burn body fat, even when your body is digesting food.

In fact, your body is CONSTANTLY burning and storing fat. When you loose adipose tissue, your body is simply catabolizing fat faster then you are storing. Vice versa when you are storing adipose tissue.

 

[hurricane]

So there are a bunch of articles and research pieces that support intermittent fasting as a way of losing fat while retaining muscle. The EVO mainpage has an article supporting fasting. I've done a version of intermittent fasting, eating only between noon and 8pm with good results, but I always train in the afternoons while doing it after having eaten a big meal a few hours before. I'm planning a cutting cycle for the future, and I know my schedule at that time will lend itself to morning training. I'm wondering how fasted training would go, especially fasted training on AAS, probably primo, with no post-workout nutrition until hours later. I've read that calorie free BCAAs pre and post workout are one way to go, but the author of that advice was not considering steroids already in the system, so I wonder if they're even necessary. I'm concerned about having the energy to go all out, and I sure as hell don't want to catabolize muscle. Anyone have experience with this or resources to direct me to?

Some people train fasted with great results but its not for me.I can fast but i need something in my stomach before the gym, i feel weak as hell

 

[Bad Juju]

I think it depends on if you're cutting or bulking. If cutting then I'd say it's ok with maybe some bcaas before workouts

If trying to grow then definitely not. You can't do heavy lifts without food in the system. Being anabolic and catabolic at the same time doesn't work

 

[Droidpharma]

Experiment!

 

[Glioblastoma]

I enjoy fasted workouts from time to time. Notice no change in performance or growth. Anyone who thinks you're going to go catabolic without eating beforehand is off their rocker. Factor in that you're taking muscle protective AAS and it's just insane to think a simple workout without food is going to cut into muscle

 

[Highlander]

Not a simple issue for sure. I've been training fasted for the last two and half years and my gains have been as good or even better than when I was eating 8 times a day. The whole thing is a mixed bag of physiological and psychological factors, and it's really hard to figure out if fasted workouts aren't working for someone due to physiological or purely mental factors.

If you have even a slighest subconcious assumption that fasted training will make you lose muscle, then it is probably not going to work for you. You could try fasted workouts only when using stimulants, since stimulants act faster and stronger when fasted.

Having a good workout is a sum of many parts. I bet everyone has had the experience of having a perfect starting point for a workout (great mood, great nutrition, great pre-workout supps, great shit all together) and having the worst workout of their life. And then having a pretty bad hangover, sleep deprived, malnutritioned, depressed and everything screwed up and then banging personal bests on all lifts. Isolating one factor is a tough job.