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Fertility Journey (Hope for anyone thinking of trying)

Adoniss87

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Hey all,
I have posted here previously about my fertility journey, but i thought i would summarize it here for anyone interested or looking to conceive in the near future.

Long story short:
Aussie/Male (obv)
Age: 37
Been on anabolic steroids since 2019 , test/deca/tren/dbol/anadrol etc.
TRT Dose: 100mg/week (no more blasting)
Wife & I Married 13/01/24
15/01/24 - 30/01/24 Hoping to conceive during honeymoon.
No luck with conception
February sperm analysis with YoSperm test - No visible sperm swimming
Shock and reality sets in. Have i fucked up my fertility?
Wanted to come off but was advised not to due to the "harsh negatives of doing so"
Started HMG and HCG , purchasing from varying sources
02/02/24 - Started HCG - 2500 IU M W F
28/02/24 - Started HMG - 75IU M W F

Sperm Analysis 26 April 24 : Conc: 3.95 million/ml . 2% Normal forms . TM : 28% PM : 6%
Frustrated at this point, but kept pushing on despite the financial burden these compounds placed on me
Sperm Analysis : 26 June 24: Conc: 2.3million/ml 2% Normal forms TM: 42% PM: %15

At this point, after nearly 6 months of blowing nearly 6-7 grand on this. I lost it. had a mini meltdown one day and decided to go against what anyone on the forums or in my life was telling me and i threw out all my shit. How could i have gone backwards in my results?? Everything, even the HCG/HMG
I was pretty pissed off, because the person i was buying the HCG/HMG off, turned out to have done an exit scam/faked HPLC testing. I suspected this from the start but i trusted the person and the process.

26/06/24 - Last Injection Test E (100mg/week)
Implemented : 5ml Black Seed Oil /Day and 800mg COQ10/Day

Sperm Analysis 17th September : Conc: 38.8 million/ml Morphology :4% TM: 57% PM: 42%

At that point i was considered in the normal range for fertility. Huge weight lifted off my shoulders. Me and the wife had a bit of a teary with the news . You don't know how hard trying for a kid is emotionally until you undertake the journey, especially when you know the decisions you made in life have impacted your chances of conceiving. Its a heavy burden to carry and can send you into a pretty dark spiral.

Sperm Analysis 06th November: Conc: 167.4 million/ml Morphology :4% TM: 65% PM: 48%

When i seen this, i nearly spat my drink out. Holy fucking shit? i am now considered super fertile. 135 days after my last injection!!

See below timeline for concentration:
1731787924138.png



Coming off TRT i was expecting the worst, but i was fine. Regular blood tests showed FSH/LH surging back into action.
FSH: 7
LH: 3
My testosterone at my last blood test was 4.9nmol (well below the 6 minimum) but i feel great. It was 1.1nmol after 30 days from my last test shot so its still an improvement. My lifts have been either stagnant or improving, which i track and measure daily. I have not lost much muscle yet, a little fullness from the muscle belly sure. Energy is good, mood is fine.
1731788171225.png



I will do another blood test next week to see how everything is bouncing back.

Summary: Trust your gut and do what you think is best, always. Don't let anyone talk you into this or that. Had i of come off when i wanted to, we probably would have conceived by now. Hopefully i can update this thread with some good news in the next few months!
 
This is an excellent post and I thank you for sharing. As an older bloke myself I can relate to what you've been through to an extent. My wife and I were married 6 years before finally having our first. She had issues, I had issues, and I wondered if we would ever have kids.
Here we are now with 3 little rugrats and our 2nd and 3rd were conceived at will, which shows once you've had one, it's easier to conceive again I reckon.
I wish you and your wife all the best and I'm sure you'll be receiving some good news really soon.
 
Ahh man this is awesome news! All hope is not lost!! 🦾

I’ve been married just before the lockdowns in 2020 and only started with PEDS in the last 8 months or so!

Hoping to try and bang out some little soldiers within the next year! Didn’t know if I needed to come off completely or I could drop down to a very very low TRT type dosage

Thanks for sharing!
 
On and off steriods for last 15 years alot of tren cycles thought I would have same trouble, after my last cycle did hcg for about 3 1/2 months and now got a little one on the way,
Two weeks after last test e shot did 10 days 1000mcg daily then two shots a week at same dose
 
If you are having fertility issues:

HMG is your best friend.
HMG was not my best friend. Trying to find legit sources here in Australia WITH HPLC testing is an absolute nightmare. Every supplier says trust me bro but no one had the HPLC. I was buying off a trust me bro and yeah, that didn't work out. It's hard to say "your body probably didnt respond" when the pathways do not change. When my HPTA kicked back in and sent FSH and LH to my leydig and sertoli cells, magic happened. HMG and HCG are mimetics, and are designed to bypass the HPTA and signal these cells manually. So no, i was not a "non responder" . It was a shit product.
What people really need is pharma grade rFSH and HCG. Good luck getting it though.
 
Thank you all also for the responses, i look forward to updating you all with bloods in the next week and hopefully some good news in the next few months!
If anyone wants to reach out to me regarding any of this, feel free. I feel i am an encyclopedia on fertility given how much i have studied over the course of the year :ROFLMAO:
 
Ahh man this is awesome news! All hope is not lost!! 🦾

I’ve been married just before the lockdowns in 2020 and only started with PEDS in the last 8 months or so!

Hoping to try and bang out some little soldiers within the next year! Didn’t know if I needed to come off completely or I could drop down to a very very low TRT type dosage

Thanks for sharing!
My advice :
Get a baseline semen analysis. I get mine through iscreen.com.au and get it done at my local hospital pathology centre. Very easy, discreet and don't have to see a fertility clinic. It is about $75

Then decide the next point of action. You may in fact be fertile. Testosterone failed as a male contraceptive but a whopping 30% of subjects still had fertile levels of sperm even whilst on TRT.

Dose does not matter. TRT or full blast, shut down is shutdown for the HPTA.

Stay the fuck away from nandrolone compounds. (Deca/Tren) These metabolites linger in the blood for long periods of time and can shut you down for 12 months, sometimes longer. Nandrolone has been shown in studies to even cause irreversible damage / apoptosis the leydig cells in animal subjects.

If Azoospermic (no sperm)

12 months out - TRT Dose (100mg/week). Wash off the stress on your body and just train/eat well
6 months out - Come off. If you have access to legit HCG and HMG, take this at the point of your last injection for 4 weeks to get the systems firing, however this is not neccessary . I came off cold Turkey.

DO NOT PCT. You are only prolonging your body's ability to recovery naturally. There have been studies where PCT and non PCT subjects were observed and the non PCT group recovered faster! Clomid can be an absolute bastard with side effects and really, it isn't necessary. All it is doing is binding to estrogen receptors in the Brain/Hypothalumus to signal your HPTA to kick start LH/FSH production...the body will do this naturally!!

2 months out. Semen Analysis and Bloods . This is where you will see whats happening. LH and FSH should be surging back. If sperm is low, figure out why. is LH and FSH low? If so, the HPTA is not talking to your nuts. Deploy HMG and HCG , or Clomid if needed to stimulate the HPTA.
Is LH and FSH high? This could be primary hypogonadism. See a fertility clinic asap as this shows damage to your nuts.
If test is bouncing back but sperm isn't, its generally a problem with the sertoli cells/fsh.

If sperm is good, happy days

Day Zero: Fuck like crazy. Get a digital ovulation test and start testing soon after your partners period. fuck 4 days prior to her ovulation and on the day and day after ovulation. Have fun, stay relaxed..enjoy the process!
 
HMG was not my best friend. Trying to find legit sources here in Australia WITH HPLC testing is an absolute nightmare. Every supplier says trust me bro but no one had the HPLC. I was buying off a trust me bro and yeah, that didn't work out. It's hard to say "your body probably didnt respond" when the pathways do not change. When my HPTA kicked back in and sent FSH and LH to my leydig and sertoli cells, magic happened. HMG and HCG are mimetics, and are designed to bypass the HPTA and signal these cells manually. So no, i was not a "non responder" . It was a shit product.
What people really need is pharma grade rFSH and HCG. Good luck getting it though.


get real HMG and run 75 i/us 3x a week in conjunction with hcg and even clomid. Be surprised if that doesn't do the trick.

But the game changer for me was the introduction of HMG
 
get real HMG and run 75 i/us 3x a week in conjunction with hcg and even clomid. Be surprised if that doesn't do the trick.

But the game changer for me was the introduction of HMG
Where would one get "real" HMG? I have not seen a vendor in Aus sell it yet with HPLC testing data. As mentioned earlier, Recombinant FSH is far superior. HMG is a mix of LH and FSH. rFSH is just..pure FSH

Clomid would do absolutely nothing whilst on cycle. Clomid works by binding to estrogen receptors in the Hypothalamus to signal gNRH to send LH and FSH to the leydig and sertoli cells. This does not happen if the HPTA/Pituitary is shut down (which it is on testosterone). All this will do is give you terrible side effects.
 
Thank you all also for the responses, i look forward to updating you all with bloods in the next week and hopefully some good news in the next few months!
If anyone wants to reach out to me regarding any of this, feel free. I feel i am an encyclopedia on fertility given how much i have studied over the course of the year :ROFLMAO:
Good luck bro, hopfully you get good outcome
 
HMG was not my best friend. Trying to find legit sources here in Australia WITH HPLC testing is an absolute nightmare. Every supplier says trust me bro but no one had the HPLC. I was buying off a trust me bro and yeah, that didn't work out. It's hard to say "your body probably didnt respond" when the pathways do not change. When my HPTA kicked back in and sent FSH and LH to my leydig and sertoli cells, magic happened. HMG and HCG are mimetics, and are designed to bypass the HPTA and signal these cells manually. So no, i was not a "non responder" . It was a shit product.
What people really need is pharma grade rFSH and HCG. Good luck getting it though.

Right on bro! So hard to find! Good to hear you got it sorted.
 
Makes me happy reading this story.
Fertility protocol is always dependent on having real stuff. HMG is a hard one to find but not always required in a protocol. Highly individual. The protocol for my clients assumes real drugs are there and they're telling me the truth about current usage.

As for price, I reason with my guys like this, if you cannot afford the protocol, you cannot afford a child. It sucks to waste money but it sounds like you're financially stable enough for a child so kudos.
 
Hey all,
I have posted here previously about my fertility journey, but i thought i would summarize it here for anyone interested or looking to conceive in the near future.

Long story short:
Aussie/Male (obv)
Age: 37
Been on anabolic steroids since 2019 , test/deca/tren/dbol/anadrol etc.
TRT Dose: 100mg/week (no more blasting)
Wife & I Married 13/01/24
15/01/24 - 30/01/24 Hoping to conceive during honeymoon.
No luck with conception
February sperm analysis with YoSperm test - No visible sperm swimming
Shock and reality sets in. Have i fucked up my fertility?
Wanted to come off but was advised not to due to the "harsh negatives of doing so"
Started HMG and HCG , purchasing from varying sources
02/02/24 - Started HCG - 2500 IU M W F
28/02/24 - Started HMG - 75IU M W F

Sperm Analysis 26 April 24 : Conc: 3.95 million/ml . 2% Normal forms . TM : 28% PM : 6%
Frustrated at this point, but kept pushing on despite the financial burden these compounds placed on me
Sperm Analysis : 26 June 24: Conc: 2.3million/ml 2% Normal forms TM: 42% PM: %15

At this point, after nearly 6 months of blowing nearly 6-7 grand on this. I lost it. had a mini meltdown one day and decided to go against what anyone on the forums or in my life was telling me and i threw out all my shit. How could i have gone backwards in my results?? Everything, even the HCG/HMG
I was pretty pissed off, because the person i was buying the HCG/HMG off, turned out to have done an exit scam/faked HPLC testing. I suspected this from the start but i trusted the person and the process.

26/06/24 - Last Injection Test E (100mg/week)
Implemented : 5ml Black Seed Oil /Day and 800mg COQ10/Day

Sperm Analysis 17th September : Conc: 38.8 million/ml Morphology :4% TM: 57% PM: 42%

At that point i was considered in the normal range for fertility. Huge weight lifted off my shoulders. Me and the wife had a bit of a teary with the news . You don't know how hard trying for a kid is emotionally until you undertake the journey, especially when you know the decisions you made in life have impacted your chances of conceiving. Its a heavy burden to carry and can send you into a pretty dark spiral.

Sperm Analysis 06th November: Conc: 167.4 million/ml Morphology :4% TM: 65% PM: 48%

When i seen this, i nearly spat my drink out. Holy fucking shit? i am now considered super fertile. 135 days after my last injection!!

See below timeline for concentration:
1731787924138.png



Coming off TRT i was expecting the worst, but i was fine. Regular blood tests showed FSH/LH surging back into action.
FSH: 7
LH: 3
My testosterone at my last blood test was 4.9nmol (well below the 6 minimum) but i feel great. It was 1.1nmol after 30 days from my last test shot so its still an improvement. My lifts have been either stagnant or improving, which i track and measure daily. I have not lost much muscle yet, a little fullness from the muscle belly sure. Energy is good, mood is fine.
1731788171225.png



I will do another blood test next week to see how everything is bouncing back.

Summary: Trust your gut and do what you think is best, always. Don't let anyone talk you into this or that. Had i of come off when i wanted to, we probably would have conceived by now. Hopefully i can update this thread with some good news in the next few months!
Hey apologies, but to clarify the HCG did not help to increase sperm count? Also out of curiosity can you mix the HCG with Test when pinning?
 
Hey apologies, but to clarify the HCG did not help to increase sperm count? Also out of curiosity can you mix the HCG with Test when pinning?
HCG and Test yes you can use together

HCG will help to help your testicular function and natural T levels while using test.

This is usually done while on TRT though not super high dosages
 
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