Fertility Thread (Hope for anyone trying)

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Most of the changes (if any) i have noticed are in the gym. I have most definitely lost some size in muscle bellies and lost definition. Trying to control my weight is more trickier now as my caloric requirements have changed (lowered). I will update photos of what i looked like when i was on and to date (face obscured obv). I am still training as hard but i am finding my recovery is taking longer. Training hard now is more taxing on my body and has made me be more strategic with how i train and how much volume i apply to each muscle group. I did promise myself 12 months, so next June if my test is still bunk , i will jump back on TRT and do more blasts, but only after i have frozen my sperm. I may have been lucky this time, not sure if i would be this lucky to recover so quickly again...

@Adoniss87 have you tried to add natural testosterone boosters? HCGenerate is an example fadogia based, check it out for a read

when you plan to freeze your sperm?

also you know a training log would be awesome to share with the EVO family, MANY guys trying to get their girls prego and this would be like a training sperm recovery log, great if you could share it, you down?

 

[Adoniss87]

@Adoniss87 have you tried to add natural testosterone boosters? HCGenerate is an example fadogia based, check it out for a read

when you plan to freeze your sperm?

also you know a training log would be awesome to share with the EVO family, MANY guys trying to get their girls prego and this would be like a training sperm recovery log, great if you could share it, you down?

Thanks, i will have a look at HCGenerate!
Probably freeze sperm right before i jump back on TRT/Blast (June 2025). I don't want to pay unnecessary storage fees if i do not need to.

Sure i can start a Log, do you have an specific parameters i need to follow? Happy to help anyone out in this journey. We should all help and support each other , especially with one of the most special things we can do in our lives, creating children

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Thanks, i will have a look at HCGenerate!
Probably freeze sperm right before i jump back on TRT/Blast (June 2025). I don't want to pay unnecessary storage fees if i do not need to.

Sure i can start a Log, do you have an specific parameters i need to follow? Happy to help anyone out in this journey. We should all help and support each other , especially with one of the most special things we can do in our lives, creating children

@Adoniss87 this is HCGenerate https://www.hcgenerate.com, they sponsor the EVO family, so of course we are bias towards them but the product is quality, I have clients using it on a bridge and lots of feedback and TDs shared by EVO brothers

starting a log is not hard, just start with some training and meals and the EVO family will support you

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Training and Lifestyle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

 

[Adoniss87]

@Adoniss87 this is HCGenerate https://www.hcgenerate.com, they sponsor the EVO family, so of course we are bias towards them but the product is quality, I have clients using it on a bridge and lots of feedback and TDs shared by EVO brothers

starting a log is not hard, just start with some training and meals and the EVO family will support you

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Training and Lifestyle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

Great, thank you. I will get started this evening when i have some more time. I probably need to do a bit of a prologue to date, my history, how i started etc and then get into what my current stats and goals are and then aspirations/future.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Great, thank you. I will get started this evening when i have some more time. I probably need to do a bit of a prologue to date, my history, how i started etc and then get into what my current stats and goals are and then aspirations/future.

please do, the whole EVO family is looking forward to it

 

[Mobster]

Thank you all the overwhelming responses and support! appreciate it greatly

In Response to NPC Classic see my results below 43 days after my last shot of test e

View attachment 62445
View attachment 62446

My last test which was on the 21/10/24 had my FSH at 7 and LH at 3

I will update later this week as i get a new set of bloods. I do understanding being in a low test environment is not beneficial and it may be the case that i freeze sperm now and hop on TRT if my levels have not bounced back. I did promise myself 6-12 months to give my body enough time to heal and see where my base level of test will end up.

HMG and HCG could be a great option , however here in Australia, trying to find a good source is extremely difficult. I feel i had purchased a bunk product off a seller who has now been black listed as a scammer.

I do believe for anyone trying for fertility should try coming off testosterone before throwing the kitchen sink as Steve and Mobster point out. It could have saved me a lot of money and heart ache / time wasted. However, how testosterone affects people is interindividual so i do understand people not wanting to come off and be in a very bad place.

I will update bloods later this week !

Stevesmi and I need to do a show on this.

Not having a dig at you but I've seen BOTH sides of the fence here. I've been online from around the early 90's. Shortly thereafter on training and muscle type forums. I started to see posts from those in the 18-25 or so range who took a gung-ho approach to using PEDs. IN a few short years we started to see those who'd stayed on (and got older) change their minds. From a 'I don't care' to a 'I'm fucked' when it came to their sperm count.

The issue was always one of them changing their mind and then finding it crazy hard to fix (if at all) the issue. Part of the emotional journey is that they made this happen.

There is also a societal issue. Testosterone levels in men are falling (we've covered this in the podcasts). Both men and women are leaving it later and later to have kids. Even without the test issue it's harder to have kids in your 30's and 40's vs 18-30. It's especially true of the educated middle classes (staying in education longer and then focusing on careers after). Ditto those who use and abuse alcohol and meds. And deffo recreational drugs. And that's without getting into the perception of stress and it's effects too. I recall a stat from last week about how in the 'first world' childbirth numbers have fallen 30% (meaning less overall population - fine worldwide but a head f**k if you are trying).

 

[Mobster]

Thank you all the overwhelming responses and support! appreciate it greatly

In Response to NPC Classic see my results below 43 days after my last shot of test e

View attachment 62445
View attachment 62446

My last test which was on the 21/10/24 had my FSH at 7 and LH at 3

I will update later this week as i get a new set of bloods. I do understanding being in a low test environment is not beneficial and it may be the case that i freeze sperm now and hop on TRT if my levels have not bounced back. I did promise myself 6-12 months to give my body enough time to heal and see where my base level of test will end up.

HMG and HCG could be a great option , however here in Australia, trying to find a good source is extremely difficult. I feel i had purchased a bunk product off a seller who has now been black listed as a scammer.

I do believe for anyone trying for fertility should try coming off testosterone before throwing the kitchen sink as Steve and Mobster point out. It could have saved me a lot of money and heart ache / time wasted. However, how testosterone affects people is interindividual so i do understand people not wanting to come off and be in a very bad place.

I will update bloods later this week !

Stevesmi and I need to do a show on this.

Not having a dig at you but I've seen BOTH sides of the fence here. I've been online from around the early 90's. Shortly thereafter on training and muscle type forums. I started to see posts from those in the 18-25 or so range who took a gung-ho approach to using PEDs. IN a few short years we started to see those who'd stayed on (and got older) change their minds. From a 'I don't care' to a 'I'm fucked' when it came to their sperm count.

The issue was always one of them changing their mind and then finding it crazy hard to fix (if at all) the issue. Part of the emotional journey is that they made this happen.

There is also a societal issue. Testosterone levels in men are falling (we've covered this in the podcasts). Both men and women are leaving it later and later to have kids. Even without the test issue it's harder to have kids in your 30's and 40's vs 18-30. It's especially true of the educated middle classes. Ditto those who use and abuse alcohol and meds. And deffo recreational drugs. And that's without getting into the perception of stress and it's effects too

 

[RoySimpson]

Hey all,
I have posted here previously about my fertility journey, but i thought i would summarize it here for anyone interested or looking to conceive in the near future.

Long story short:
Age: 37
Been on anabolic steroids since 2019 , test/deca/tren/dbol/anadrol etc.
TRT Dose: 100mg/week (no more blasting)
Wife & I Married 13/01/24
15/01/24 - 30/01/24 Hoping to conceive during honeymoon.
No luck with conception
February sperm analysis with YoSperm test - No visible sperm swimming
Shock and reality sets in. Have i fucked up my fertility?
Wanted to come off but was advised not to due to the "harsh negatives of doing so"
Started HMG and HCG , purchasing from varying sources
02/02/24 - Started HCG - 2500 IU M W F
28/02/24 - Started HMG - 75IU M W F

Sperm Analysis 26 April 24 : Conc: 3.95 million/ml . 2% Normal forms . TM : 28% PM : 6%
Frustrated at this point, but kept pushing on despite the financial burden these compounds placed on me
Sperm Analysis : 26 June 24: Conc: 2.3million/ml 2% Normal forms TM: 42% PM: %15

At this point, after nearly 6 months of blowing nearly 6-7 grand on this. I lost it. had a mini meltdown one day and decided to go against what anyone on the forums or in my life was telling me and i threw out all my shit. How could i have gone backwards in my results?? Everything, even the HCG/HMG
I was pretty pissed off, because the person i was buying the HCG/HMG off, turned out to have done an exit scam/faked HPLC testing. I suspected this from the start but i trusted the person and the process.

26/06/24 - Last Injection Test E (100mg/week)
Implemented : 5ml Black Seed Oil /Day and 800mg COQ10/Day

Sperm Analysis 17th September : Conc: 38.8 million/ml Morphology :4% TM: 57% PM: 42%

At that point i was considered in the normal range for fertility. Huge weight lifted off my shoulders. Me and the wife had a bit of a teary with the news . You don't know how hard trying for a kid is emotionally until you undertake the journey, especially when you know the decisions you made in life have impacted your chances of conceiving. Its a heavy burden to carry and can send you into a pretty dark spiral.

Sperm Analysis 06th November: Conc: 167.4 million/ml Morphology :4% TM: 65% PM: 48%

When i seen this, i nearly spat my drink out. Holy fucking shit? i am now considered super fertile. 135 days after my last injection!!

See below timeline for concentration:
View attachment 62289

Coming off TRT i was expecting the worst, but i was fine. Regular blood tests showed FSH/LH surging back into action.
FSH: 7
LH: 3
My testosterone at my last blood test was 4.9nmol (well below the 6 minimum) but i feel great. It was 1.1nmol after 30 days from my last test shot so its still an improvement. My lifts have been either stagnant or improving, which i track and measure daily. I have not lost much muscle yet, a little fullness from the muscle belly sure. Energy is good, mood is fine.
View attachment 62290

I will do another blood test next week to see how everything is bouncing back.

Summary: Trust your gut and do what you think is best, always. Don't let anyone talk you into this or that. Had i of come off when i wanted to, we probably would have conceived by now. Hopefully i can update this thread with some good news in the next few months!

@Adoniss87 solid log right here!!

 

[25homes]

Be following this one

 

[ballin2504]

Steve’s got ya covered on this