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First Ever Sarms Cycle help please :)

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coolaidml777

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Hey!

After lots of research and time spent contemplating this I believe I'm going to give SARMS a shot.

I have always been weary about Steroids and not wanting to cross that line due to health concerns and I HATE needles lol.

Anyways first a little about myself.

I'm 27, Male, 5"10 and have been training for almost 10 years now. I would say the last 5-6 have been serious. When I first started I weighed 139lbs and I now sit at 174lbs. I have been up to 184lbs 2 years ago but was a bit to chubby for my liking so I have cut back down. I however seem to loose so much muscle each time I cut down. I would consider myself to be extremely disciplined in my diet & training so it can be very discouraging at times. I can honestly say I put in almost 100% all the time and just feel like my body just doesn't want to kick into the next gear and get me over the hump.

The closest thing I have run to Steroids would be some PH from Primordial performance. I ran AndroMass & Androlean a couple years ago and can easily say I made the most gains and leaps at that time and it helped me get up to 184lbs. However the company no longer exists and I have not pursued PH's any further.

Anyways, my goals at the moment are to recomp with summer coming up. I am currently at 174lbs and would love to be up around 180lbs-185lbs and ripped.

Here is what I have been looking at running for 8 weeks (is that a good amount of time? Or 12?)

LGD-4022
Cardarine

Could you please help me out with dosing protocols? I also would appreciate help with making sure I don't run into gyno and also suppression. I want to make sure I have myself completely prepared.

Here is what I was thinking but I would appreciate your thoughts for the cycle.

Stack the following for 8 weeks*
LGD-4022
Cardarine
N-Acetyl Cysteine
AI Cycle Support

3 weeks in add PES Erase & PES Anabata Elite

7 Weeks into cycle begin taking DAA, AI Testopro

After 8 Weeks take DAA, AI Testopro, AI Cycle Support, N-Acetyl Cysteine , PES Erase & PES Anabata Elite for 3 weeks for PCT.


Please let me know your thoughts. I will be ordering the SARMS from SARMS1. I live up in Canada and I hear they are good at getting product to us here.


Thanks so much for your help! All help is much appreciated!
 
Bro I don't even know what these GNC cycle assist crap is I don't recommend it, but to your cycle I'd dose the LGD around 5-6mg/ED and taper up a little bit. GW can be dosed 20mg/ED all at once( preworkout is nice) If you are looking to cut up I'd look more into S4, it's a better compound for your goals. I'd have an AI on hand also, a real AI.. Like aromasin or dspark at the least
 
LGD at 10mg per day
GW at 20mg per day

I would strongly suggest adding s4 to that as well, which is perfect for fat loss, strength, and recomposition. Get all your sarms at www.sarms1.com

DAA is useless for PCT, and erase is just an AI pretty much with very weak test boosting. Anabeta is an overhyped product that literally does absolutely nothing. You need to get some HCGenerate ES in your PCT
 
RickRock said:
LGD at 10mg per day
GW at 20mg per day

I would strongly suggest adding s4 to that as well, which is perfect for fat loss, strength, and recomposition. Get all your sarms at www.sarms1.com

DAA is useless for PCT, and erase is just an AI pretty much with very weak test boosting. Anabeta is an overhyped product that literally does absolutely nothing. You need to get some HCGenerate ES in your PCT
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Thanks everyone for your input!

What I have gathered from everyone so far is that I should scrap all the other products that I had in there and go with the following:

8 Week*

LGD 10mg/day
GW 20mg/day

PCT

HCGenerate
Aromasin? Arimidex?(I see Sarms1 carries it)


When should I begin taking the HCG and Arimidex? Is that all I will need? If I eat at around maintenance or say 100 calories over what would be a realistic expectation in regards to gains & fat loss for LGD & GW?


For those suggesting S4, I would run it but I am really freaked out by the vision issues. I already have a very high prescription and just don't want to mess with my eyes at all.
 
if you only have 1 bottle of HcGen take it weeks 4-8. Aromasin is a better option than Adex. Dude eat in a deficit the entire cycle LGD and GW will help hold onto your muscle if you really want to lose fat you need to eat in some sort of deficit and eat clean and train hard..

S4 sides are overrated but that's just me. IF you do get the vision sides they go away after a few days and aren't even that bad to begin with, I run 100mg/ED and drive fine
 
MikeSnow said:
if you only have 1 bottle of HcGen take it weeks 4-8. Aromasin is a better option than Adex. Dude eat in a deficit the entire cycle LGD and GW will help hold onto your muscle if you really want to lose fat you need to eat in some sort of deficit and eat clean and train hard..

S4 sides are overrated but that's just me. IF you do get the vision sides they go away after a few days and aren't even that bad to begin with, I run 100mg/ED and drive fine
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Ok so I'll take the HcGen during 4-8. What is required for PCT? Only the Aromasin? If so, what is the best dosage for that?

Also, is there a legit source for Aromasin anywhere that will ship to Canada?
 
yeah, id do the same. double dose of D spark + bridge could workout just as well though.

I like to play around with things rather than go with the normal route.
 
I have seen some suggest tapering doses or should I just go with the standard doses.

For the Aromasin I picked it up from Sarms1. I'm assuming EOD means Every other day? Should this just be stopped cold turkey after 4 weeks or slowly reduced?

Sorry for all the questions but want to really max this out and do it right :)
 
Bro don't worry about s4. It doesn't make your vision worse it just causes a slight yellow tint and is totally temporary. In fact I notice it for only a day at the most and then it's gone for me. You don't really need an AI but I agree with HCGenerate on cycle. And HCGenerate ES and DAA for pct. Or Dspark if you can get it


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coolaidml777 said:
I have seen some suggest tapering doses or should I just go with the standard doses.

For the Aromasin I picked it up from Sarms1. I'm assuming EOD means Every other day? Should this just be stopped cold turkey after 4 weeks or slowly reduced?

Sorry for all the questions but want to really max this out and do it right :)
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No need to taper. And LGD does not aromatize 999 times out of 1000 (just a Guess). But I suggest not taking it until you need to.


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coolaidml777 said:
I have seen some suggest tapering doses or should I just go with the standard doses.

For the Aromasin I picked it up from Sarms1. I'm assuming EOD means Every other day? Should this just be stopped cold turkey after 4 weeks or slowly reduced?

Sorry for all the questions but want to really max this out and do it right :)
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If you are going to taper then taper up doses, but never taper down. Honestly I would just run a static effective dose from the start all the way through
 
Alright, so I have decided to give S4 a shot after doing more reading and research. I am reading that some only run it for 4 week as that seems to be the point where the vision problems start kicking in?

So here is a revised plan for this cycle. Thoughts?

What I have gathered from everyone so far is that I should scrap all the other products that I had in there and go with the following:

1-8*

LGD 10mg/day
GW 20mg/day

4-8

S4 25mg twice/day
HCGenerate

PCT 8-12

HCGenerate ES
Aromasin 12mg EOD

Was wondering if a SERM should be added for PCT as I have noticed some have suggested that elsewhere but no one in this thread has mentioned it..
 
don't worry about the s4 bro might not see any sides
 
S4 is best used for 8-12 weeks. You could add Clomid to the pct. With a long LGD cycle I would.


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I did my first SARM cycle about three months ago. I got the Triple Stack from SARMS1. Loved it so much I am gonna start again. Lost BF while increased muscle. My PR really went up about 20 - 30 lbs on everything. Good Luck!
 
I also used DSpark and HCGenerate and PCT with HCGenerateES...

Don't worry about weak shit comments... SARMS is a great place to start and work your way up!
 
Is the Clomid recommendation only to have on hand in case or would you actually dose it following the 8 weeks with the Aromasin? Also, what dosage are we talking about?
 
Sf_Giants said:
Sarms are such a waste of money they are weak shit.
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You're trippin.... SARMS are phenomenal, but sounds like you must of tried some garbage shit.

SARMS are extremely effectively and have their place in every cycle
 
Generally those that make negative comments about sarms are those that depend on steroids to do the work for them, and have unrealistic expectations for everything. Usually the same ones that don't know how to eat or train properly to make gains unless they are on something. Nothing replaces hard fucking work. There is no magic pill, liquid, or injectable
 
Sf_Giants said:
Sarms are such a waste of money they are weak shit.
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weak in what aspect? weak if you are looking for tren or dbol gains? yes for sure

but if you are looking for lean gains while cutting and lossing fat, they are not.they work well and are very minimal supression wise
 
RickRock said:
Generally those that make negative comments about sarms are those that depend on steroids to do the work for them, and have unrealistic expectations for everything. Usually the same ones that don't know how to eat or train properly to make gains unless they are on something. Nothing replaces hard fucking work. There is no magic pill, liquid, or injectable
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not only that, they arent using sarms correctly..or for the correct purpose.if you are using sarms and looking to bulk like you are on bulking steriods.. you havent researched them properly.
 
JackSteel said:
Try 50/25/25/25 bro. Then follow up with HCGen IMO.


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Shrine said:
YOu could def do it this way
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Alright. So here is where I'm at then with the suggestions. Let me know if this is good to go. I'm looking to start the cycle beginning of May...

Please note a few questions beside the Clomid and HCGenerate**

1-8

LGD 10mg/day
GW 20mg/day

4-8

S4 25mg twice/day
HCGenerate

PCT 8-12

Clomid 50/25/25/25 Is this taken every day? I'm assuming this is 50 for the first week and 25 2nd/3rd/4th?
Aromasin 12mg EOD

12-16

HCGenerate ES I originally thought this should be taken following the SARMS cycle but Jacksteel said to be taken after the Clomid?
DAA 3gr/day
 
Bro run the S4 the entire cycle if possible.. Yes that clomid means 50mg/day week 1 etc. You probably won't need that much aromasin in PCT so taper down accordingly. The HcGenES can be ran along that but there is nothing wrong with taking it after. It's just the clomid and aromasin may affect you emotionally a little which is why the well being on HcGenES is often ran alongside it. If you run HcGen original 4-8 before PCT then your PCT should be a breeze
 
MikeSnow said:
Bro run the S4 the entire cycle if possible.. Yes that clomid means 50mg/day week 1 etc. You probably won't need that much aromasin in PCT so taper down accordingly. The HcGenES can be ran along that but there is nothing wrong with taking it after. It's just the clomid and aromasin may affect you emotionally a little which is why the well being on HcGenES is often ran alongside it. If you run HcGen original 4-8 before PCT then your PCT should be a breeze
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Lol Clomid makes me cry in movies that aren't even that sad. I become a softie


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follow evo pct guide bro and run hcgenrate es for full 8 weeks
 
HCGenerate ES needs to be taken during your PCT along with the Clomid. The dose of Clomid 50/50/25/25 means mg per day per week.
 
Perfect advice above my man
 
coolaidml777 said:
Alright. So here is where I'm at then with the suggestions. Let me know if this is good to go. I'm looking to start the cycle beginning of May...

Please note a few questions beside the Clomid and HCGenerate**

1-8

LGD 10mg/day
GW 20mg/day

4-8

S4 25mg twice/day
HCGenerate

PCT 8-12

Clomid 50/25/25/25 Is this taken every day? I'm assuming this is 50 for the first week and 25 2nd/3rd/4th?
Aromasin 12mg EOD

12-16

HCGenerate ES I originally thought this should be taken following the SARMS cycle but Jacksteel said to be taken after the Clomid?
DAA 3gr/day
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run all sarms products the whole cycle .try to bang it out to 12 weeks
 
coolaidml777 said:
Alright. So here is where I'm at then with the suggestions. Let me know if this is good to go. I'm looking to start the cycle beginning of May...

Please note a few questions beside the Clomid and HCGenerate**

1-8

LGD 10mg/day
GW 20mg/day

4-8

S4 25mg twice/day
HCGenerate

PCT 8-12

Clomid 50/25/25/25 Is this taken every day? I'm assuming this is 50 for the first week and 25 2nd/3rd/4th?
Aromasin 12mg EOD

12-16

HCGenerate ES I originally thought this should be taken following the SARMS cycle but Jacksteel said to be taken after the Clomid?
DAA 3gr/day
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Yes 50mg Clomid first week. And you can use HCGen on cycle but I personally would save it unless you have two bottles.


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MikeSnow said:
Bro run the S4 the entire cycle if possible.. Yes that clomid means 50mg/day week 1 etc. You probably won't need that much aromasin in PCT so taper down accordingly. The HcGenES can be ran along that but there is nothing wrong with taking it after. It's just the clomid and aromasin may affect you emotionally a little which is why the well being on HcGenES is often ran alongside it. If you run HcGen original 4-8 before PCT then your PCT should be a breeze
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I only have 1 bottle of S4. I originally was only going to do the LG and Cardarine stack but with my order they through in a free S4. Maybe i'll just keep it for a future cycle then rather than only 4 weeks?

You suggest tapering the Aromasin. How would you taper it over the 4 weeks

25homes said:
follow evo pct guide bro and run hcgenrate es for full 8 weeks
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I only have 1 bottle of reg HCgenerate and 1 HCG ES. Most people here seem to be saying the 4 weeks will be fine. I missing something?

RickRock said:
HCGenerate ES needs to be taken during your PCT along with the Clomid. The dose of Clomid 50/50/25/25 means mg per day per week.
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Ok, I will use it alongside Clomid/Aromasin during 8-12.

hurricane said:
run all sarms products the whole cycle .try to bang it out to 12 weeks
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This is my first cycle with SARMS so I would like to go easy. I want to see how I feel after 8 weeks on the first cycle. I can always run them for 12 on the next cycle if I'm happy with the first cycle. One thing I am worried about though is suppression after 3 months being on...

JackSteel said:
Yes 50mg Clomid first week. And you can use HCGen on cycle but I personally would save it unless you have two bottles.

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I only have 1 HCG Reg and 1 ES. Would you save it for PCT and run the 2 bottles for weeks 8-16? Example, ES 8-12 & reg 12-16?
 
I'm using NTBM DAA now and it's for sure boosted my libido better than perfect pct alone. Just hitting your HTPA from a different angle.


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RickRock said:
An 8 week cycle is fine

HCGenerate ES in PCT for 4 weeks is perfect

You can use the S4 for 4 weeks at the end of the cycle if that's all you have.
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JackSteel said:
I'm using NTBM DAA now and it's for sure boosted my libido better than perfect pct alone. Just hitting your HTPA from a different angle.


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hurricane said:
good luck, let us know how the cycle goes.
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Thanks everyone!

I will certainly keep you all updated. First bottles arrived today :)


1 last question (at least for the moment lol). Should I taper the Aromasin during PCT? If so, what would be a good idea? 12.5/10/7.5/5?
 
I am super stoked to start my cycle tomorrow as everything has arrived.

I am planning to do my first sin the morning before taking my pre-workout on the way to the gym. Will the pre-workout interfere at all? I have a few different pre's I rotate. Craze, C4, etc..
 
I taper my aromasin in PCT but not everyone even uses aromasin in PCT. Think a lot of it comes down to your particular cycle and pct, you made not really need it with just a sarms run
 
coolaidml777 said:
Thanks everyone!

I will certainly keep you all updated. First bottles arrived today :)


1 last question (at least for the moment lol). Should I taper the Aromasin during PCT? If so, what would be a good idea? 12.5/10/7.5/5?
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Its fine to taper down if you choose, but with aromasin you really don't need to. Its a suicidal inhibitor that won't crush your estrogen and you don't have to worry about rebound coming off. It also increases free test and lowers SHBG making it great for recovery. That's why I'd keep it at 12.5mg EOD
 
coolaidml777 said:
I am super stoked to start my cycle tomorrow as everything has arrived.

I am planning to do my first sin the morning before taking my pre-workout on the way to the gym. Will the pre-workout interfere at all? I have a few different pre's I rotate. Craze, C4, etc..
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your fine man. just play it cool.
 
Thanks for everyone's input!

I am on day 3 today. I think I am noticing a bit more muscle fullness already.

One thing of note however today is that I have been noticing a very dull headache. I rarely every get headaches... Is this normal during the first few days as your body adjusts to to the SARMS?
 
So today is Day 6 on the cycle. Headaches have gone away and the strange feeling I had that day.. Maybe it was something else...

I weighed in at 171.2 on Day 1 and weighed exactly the same again this morning. I can't say I have noticed any strength gains yet in the gym or muscle gains but I do feel a bit more vascular and in the morning feel a bit leaner. When doing cardio though I have certainly noticed the extra endurance.

When should I expect to start seeing strength gains kicking in and also some of the muscle gains?

I am currently eating at maintenance levels of 2650 calories/day. I have heard LGD works best for a recomp from Dylan.
 
coolaidml777 said:
So today is Day 6 on the cycle. Headaches have gone away and the strange feeling I had that day.. Maybe it was something else...

I weighed in at 171.2 on Day 1 and weighed exactly the same again this morning. I can't say I have noticed any strength gains yet in the gym or muscle gains but I do feel a bit more vascular and in the morning feel a bit leaner. When doing cardio though I have certainly noticed the extra endurance.

When should I expect to start seeing strength gains kicking in and also some of the muscle gains?

I am currently eating at maintenance levels of 2650 calories/day. I have heard LGD works best for a recomp from Dylan.
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Strength gains for me really start hitting around the end of week 2. Don't expect anything crazy especially with maintenance calories.
 
dopeitsjustin said:
hows the cycle going man? I'm thinking about the same cycle. Ill watch your progress first ;)
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I am on Day 8 today. Still no strength gains that are notable. So far I would say I am feeling more "manly" so to speak as I just feel I have some extra swagger. Also, I would maybe say I am a bit more vascular and pumped during the day. Otherwise nothing new to report.
 
So today is Day 16 on the cycle. Starting to get a bit disappointed to be honest.. I really can't say I have noticed much of anything yet. Sure, I seem to be in a better mood during the day and sometimes feel a bit more pumped/vascular but at this point that is really it. Can't say I have noticed any strength gains or actual muscle gains.

Hopefully I will start seeing some more noticeable gains and strength increases soon otherwise I'm starting to question if I just wasted a crap-load of money :(
 
So GW is great for endurance and cutting fat. Although LGD can assist in adding lean muscle it's great for reducing body fat and recovery. (Based off many of Dylan Gemeli's articles.). To add strength and lean muscle gains. I would add S4 Andarine and Ostarine. I'm doing all 4 and I have definitely seen the difference


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DirtyByrd said:
So GW is great for endurance and cutting fat. Although LGD can assist in adding lean muscle it's great for reducing body fat and recovery. (Based off many of Dylan Gemeli's articles.). To add strength and lean muscle gains. I would add S4 Andarine and Ostarine. I'm doing all 4 and I have definitely seen the difference


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S4 is being added in for week 5.
 
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