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Use equal amounts of test and primo and you will be able to cut and get stronger. Will be safe too.
Testosterone should be higher than primobolan. Primobolan acts as an anti-estrogen, almost an Ai in a sense, this has been discussed in the past in the EVO family. Higher Test lower Primo is the key. @RoidRage69
If you eat well and not starve yourself between meals run your TRT you for sure can do strength cycle. I’ve done it. Gear helps ofcorse. You may not be able to go so long between meals. Keep protein high of corse! I would still eat small but frequent meals as to not feel depleted. But that had worked well for both me and mister. I cycled off gear beginning November last year just trt still peaked strength end of December!! And I was on Semaglutide still. So boom there you go.
O drink it fast, yes then follow with a cup of water!
@kcates thank you so much for tuning into the episode i was recently on, i have two that i was recently part of and i have a longer one coming up with steve and mobster, it is really fun talking with those guys, i truly enjoy helping others the most, it is why i enjoy going on and giving my experience and my prospective, i am happy you enjoyed it
As far as test goes this next cycle which will be my 4th i will be running 500mg of test e or cyp just to see how my body responds, personally i tell guys stick around the 250-300mg range a week and run a low dose of aromasin with it, i like the every other day protocol 6.25mg = 25mg a week, it has worked well for me on 250mg of test, it all comes to down to getting the least amount of sides and having a hassle free fun clean cycle.
Yes I understand that. However at his age and body fat level I believe 200mg of each is more than safe. I highly doubt 200mg primo will crash his E2 if he takes 200mg test.
Guess it all depends on how he responds when i did 300 test with 300 primo no AI my estrogen was 16.7 which is on the lower end, depends on bloods and what happens with his numbers at his age.
Your very lean he's not.
Im not as lean as you think brother im around 235lbs right now, my lean weight like actual lean weight is 195lbs
Its possible, but always go higher test lower primo until bloods on the table. @RoidRage69
Nice, how much did u go below maintenance calories when you did this? I am just cruising on TRT for now. I want to get some more weight off but I always thought to build muscle and strength I had to be in a surplus. I have always heard when in a cut you will lose a little strength because your lower on calories. I am on trizepatide as well with my TRT.If you eat well and not starve yourself between meals run your TRT you for sure can do strength cycle. I’ve done it. Gear helps ofcorse. You may not be able to go so long between meals. Keep protein high of corse! I would still eat small but frequent meals as to not feel depleted. But that had worked well for both me and mister. I cycled off gear beginning November last year just trt still peaked strength end of December!! And I was on Semaglutide still. So boom there you go.
I drink a lot of water all day. I get a gallon plus of water a day. Other then my supplements all I drink is water. I just carry my insulated jug around all day with ice water. Can't work in construction in Florida and not drink a lot of water or you will not feel good. I will do the chug and wash method from now on. I didn't realize that was the way to do it to get it down. Now I know!
After reading everyone's comments I have more questions. My next cycle I should do 300 test and 200 primo Get mid bloods and end bloods see how estrogen does. With blood work then we can look at them discuss maybe a test and primo even, 300/300 or maybe go to a higher test cycle like a 400/300. Now Lev talked about sprinkle in some winstrol but right now should that be a consideration or is that something down the road when I am taking 3 grams with tren in there? Lol, I am kidding about the 3 grams and tren. I don't ever plan to do 3 grams of gear.Test primo cutting cycles are some of the best, with a little winstrol sprinkled on top.
I think before we determine doses, we should see your bloods on this testosterone TRT base. After that should be much easier. @kcates
When I started TRT at 48 I was low T at a total of 158. I don't know what my free was, my doc at the time didn't check that number. He started me on 200mg every 10 days. After using it for a few months I could tell it dropped off after around day 7. Now on 200 mg a week I feel good. I want to say normal but I think I was low T for a really long time that was my normal. How I felt low T for 18 or so years was normal. I was just worn out, brain fog, grumpy, and didn't want to do anything outside of work. Now I feel alive again. Not as much brain fog, very happy, energetic, I had PE all my life and now I don't and my libido is great again like I was in my 20's.. so far even when I did 8 weeks of Var with my TRT 50 mg a day split in 2 dose the only side effects I have noticed is a little more oily skin. I don't know about still able to have kids since my wife and I don't want any more kids or if I am losing hair since I shave it with a razor every other day been doing that since I was 21 years old. My last blood work was fine before the var. We will see how it is next week. I am getting blood work on Tuesday. I will post it up when I get it. I actually started feeling better after 24 hours of taking my first injection of 200 mg. Sleep improved immediately also after starting my TRT. So far nothing negative at all that I know of. Just feel way better. Because I have responded so well at 200 mg vs like how you said u felt taking your TRT in the beginning would this be signs that I am a good responder to test? Also when u started TRT were u low T or did u just started taking it for performance?@kcates thank you so much for tuning into the episode i was recently on, i have two that i was recently part of and i have a longer one coming up with steve and mobster, it is really fun talking with those guys, i truly enjoy helping others the most, it is why i enjoy going on and giving my experience and my prospective, i am happy you enjoyed it
As far as test goes this next cycle which will be my 4th i will be running 500mg of test e or cyp just to see how my body responds, personally i tell guys stick around the 250-300mg range a week and run a low dose of aromasin with it, i like the every other day protocol 6.25mg = 25mg a week, it has worked well for me on 250mg of test, it all comes to down to getting the least amount of sides and having a hassle free fun clean cycle.
Sunday was my last dose of 50 mg of Var. How many weeks from then would I need to wait to get a YRT baseline blood work reading?
300 ish calories below maintenance for me. 500 for Mr. Mine is 1700 ish main. His like 2500 maint. Go off his numbers doesn’t take much. You can lose muscle but you can keep and gain strength in a deficit, most people think like you that you have to be in a surplus. Yes it’s way the fuck easier in a surplus though.
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Lol, right surplus the way to good strength gains. That's why the big powerlifters were never had six packs I been staying right around maintenance for the last year and a half. I am losing fat but the scale stays the same. Nov. 23 I weighed 239 and I weighed 239 this morning but skinnier. Belly smaller, neck smaller, and I can see bicep veins for the first time in my life. Anyways you and Mr RR are doing great, keep up the hard work and hitting new highs! Thanks.
Depends really, at your size and experience I would say 4 weeks, but you need to start TRT right now stay on the test. @kcates
Recomping slowly is the best. This way you dont risk injury and you can keep your muscle while losing fat. Ive basically been in recomp for 2 years now. I cant wait to finally get down to 220 so I can maybe go in a surplus for a change. LOL.
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