Gains to expect on Dbol & Test Combo

[G1LL1CK]

Just wondering what sort of gains one could expect from running Dbol & Test Enanthate together.
I know it's probably of those 'its different for everybody' situations but I'm going to be jumping on in a few months & am just curious how much I'll gain & how much I'll keep after the cycle.
4 weeks of Dbol at 40mg/d + 14 weeks of 600mg/w of Test Enanthate..
What have you guys experienced?

 

[chicagosterone]

That's a pretty round about question bro, is this your first cycle? Just a suggestion lower your test to 500mgs and dbols to 30mgs or less, shorten your cycle, and even that's pushing it. If in fact this is your first cycle your better off with less. I made awesome gains on 350 mgs of sust 1Xwk and 10 mg winnys ed in ten weeks 1 ML per week until the vial and winnys were gone..true story.In regards to your question, genetics, estrogen control during cycle, diet, PCT, are all variables. Dbols add mass quick and you lose it equally fast, take advantage of having those fresh newb receptors and make some gains son, but don't over do it because of shit you read, our because one of your boys did xyz. Be consistent on dosages, persistent on estro control, eat big and clean, bust ass in the gym, use a proper pct regiment. ..and if your lucky expect to keep all said and done between 5lbs and 12lbs variable upon you. You want more info, whats your stats? Ecto,meso,endo?

 

[G1LL1CK]

That's a pretty round about question bro, is this your first cycle? Just a suggestion lower your test to 500mgs and dbols to 30mgs or less, shorten your cycle, and even that's pushing it. If in fact this is your first cycle your better off with less. I made awesome gains on 350 mgs of sust 1Xwk and 10 mg winnys ed in ten weeks 1 ML per week until the vial and winnys were gone..true story.In regards to your question, genetics, estrogen control during cycle, diet, PCT, are all variables. Dbols add mass quick and you lose it equally fast, take advantage of having those fresh newb receptors and make some gains son, but don't over do it because of shit you read, our because one of your boys did xyz. Be consistent on dosages, persistent on estro control, eat big and clean, bust ass in the gym, use a proper pct regiment. ..and if your lucky expect to keep all said and done between 5lbs and 12lbs variable upon you. You want more info, whats your stats? Ecto,meso,endo?

Yeah I realised it was one of those questions when I was started typing. Just figured it's better to get the stupid questions answered on here rather than in the gym.
It's my second time around, the first was a bit of a waste, had no PCT & looking back now my diet was useless so I couldn't really expect much..
Stats.. 27 & a pure ecto, I'm eating 3500-4000 cal/day fairly clean, sitting on 78kg.
Estrogen control is going to be on point this time around, planning on using 12.5mg Aromasin EOD & keeping an eye on the bloods to adjust if needed.
My brother has just moved back in with me & he's been in the show game for a long time, he's 31 & 103kg lean so the genetics are there I've just somehow never tapped into them lol.. mind you he's had his fare share of cycles before though so he's had the extra help

 

[Tadeas]

Gains are very subjective. Genetics, diet, training, rest, quality of steroids and much more, plays into gains. I can safely say with a dbol/test cycle, you'll get good bulking results.

 

[G1LL1CK]

Cheers for the responses guys, I had a bit of a brain fart moment & didn't realize what I was actually asking.. There's so many variables in there that there's really no answer for myself lol I was kind of more asking what other people have experienced.

 

[chicagosterone]

That's great, consider your brother an in house coach, if he's what you say take his advice, no questions are dumb especially when it comes to your body. My mentor and advisor was like a brother to me aswell, although we didn't live together he was older more experienced and let's just say a rhino. I'm not familiar with the whole kilo thing yet, obviously your not American, I'm trying to figure out the whole kilo and stone thing still, so bare with me. As an ecto I'd say gains will be easily seen, even if there minimal, your at the right age older than i was when i started so can't say shit about that. This time around don't f*ck up your diet,and pct, my guess is if those two things alone weren't on point there were other factors like gym dedication, estro control,consistency on dosages both for your test and ancilliaries that may have also came into play on your previous cycle. This time around hopefully you'll take it seriously, and with a knowledgeable brother everything should be within arms reach for you. ..pun intended. maybe start a log it'll help you duRing cycle. ..Good luck to you

 

[muskate]

Just wondering what sort of gains one could expect from running Dbol & Test Enanthate together.
I know it's probably of those 'its different for everybody' situations but I'm going to be jumping on in a few months & am just curious how much I'll gain & how much I'll keep after the cycle.
4 weeks of Dbol at 40mg/d + 14 weeks of 600mg/w of Test Enanthate..
What have you guys experienced?

It's very hard to give a black and white answer because it depends on so many factors - genetics, age, experience training, experience with PED's, what your diet and training protocol looks like, what other stress you have in your life etc. etc.

Generally speaking though, if you are meticulous with your diet and training and have a very good PCT protocol lined up you can expect to gain 20-30 pounds on cycle and keep 10-20 of those pounds.

A few tips on your cycle:
1. Make sure to use an AI with your cycle. Aromasin at 12.5mg EOD
2. Make sure to incorporate a liver aid when using oral steroids as they are extremely liver toxic
3. Follow the perfect PCT protocol after your cycle. This will be your best bet to ensure proper HPTA recovery post cycle and to keep as much of your gains as possible.

weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 600mg/week (I personally would only do 500mg/week)
aromasin 12.5mg EOD

weeks 1 - 4
dbol 40mg/day (I personally would only do 30mg/day)
n2guard 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need off of ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[Bad Juju]

And when you train if you want size get in do some good "time under tension" sessions in.

 

[AustBenny]

I'm on my first test E cycle. I'm doing 250mg e3d so it works out to about 600mg a week. I did not run an oral kickstart.

Results: In week 7. I had a DEXA scan today. I'm up approx 8kg muscle, down .7% body fat. Total weight 98kg, total body fat 13.9. 4500 - 5000 cals a day.

 

[Bigjayp]

Like the guys have said... there are so many variables. You and I could run the exact same thing and come out completely different. I always tell anyone that asks me that 10% of your result is going to come from what you do in the gym. The other 90% is coming from what you do outside of the gym. Your diet, your sleep, your consistency with injections, age, and so on. I agree with the other suggestion of reducing your dose. I don't remember going over 30 mg of dbol till I had several gear notches in my belt. I also did not run over 400mg test for a long time either. If you can get bloods done, get them done and let those steer you. So many people think more is better, I don't know about you but I don't enjoy extra test getting pissed down the drain or converted to Estrogen. Sounds like you are open to the suggestions, so good luck!

 

[G1LL1CK]

I'm on my first test E cycle. I'm doing 250mg e3d so it works out to about 600mg a week. I did not run an oral Kickstart

Results: In week 7. I had a DEXA scan today. I'm up approx 8kg muscle, down .7% body fat. Total weight 98kg, total body fat 13.9. 4500 - 5000 cals a day.

Yeah I think when I'm on I'll lift my intake up to 4500cals. It's not that hard, literally just make a smoothie & I'm there(milk, banana, cottage cheese, oat bran & some peanut butter).
I'm going to have to look into these dexa scans, sounds like the best way of assessing results!
How much does it cost you to get them done?

 

[stevesmi]

your goal should not be how much weight you can gain. its not important.

if you don't run an AI you will gain a lot of water .. if that is all you want to do then have at it, but don't complain when you get estrogen related problems

 

[LevButlerov]

You can be sure about one thing - you will surely get noticeable results with this cycle. But it is just impossible to tell exactly how much you will gain and keep after the cycle. There are just too many factors influencing the results. What's more, even the same person can get different results from the same cycle at different points of time. Just make sure to have all the ancillaries and a proper PCT in order to keep more of these gains.

 

[Jrbdallas]

To many factors dude. You need to learn the basics first.

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[G1LL1CK]

your goal should not be how much weight you can gain. its not important.

if you don't run an AI you will gain a lot of water .. if that is all you want to do then have at it, but don't complain when you get estrogen related problems

I'll be getting my bloods tested regularly throughout the cycle & have Exemestane on hand if needed.

You can be sure about one thing - you will surely get noticeable results with this cycle. But it is just impossible to tell exactly how much you will gain and keep after the cycle. There are just too many factors influencing the results. What's more, even the same person can get different results from the same cycle at different points of time. Just make sure to have all the ancillaries and a proper PCT in order to keep more of these gains.

Thanks LevButlerov, I'll be following the 'Perfect PCT' as per Evo recommendations.
I'm planning it all well & truly in advance to make sure I've got everything on hand if anything comes up.

To many factors dude. You need to learn the basics first.

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I feel I'm getting the basics down, I read through these forums daily & take notes for anything that I see is relevant to me.
Just on here to learn mate, it's much better than just grabbing some test & pinning with no clue at all.
There's one thing more important to me than anything & that's health. That's why I love this forum, tons of experienced guys more than eager to give advice & point someone in the right direction. Very few trolls.

Thanks again everyone who's jumped in, there's plenty of content here to lead me towards making the best I can from these two compounds.

 

[gearhead]

bro log what you're going to do...would love to see a good evo log

 

[Badjuju2]

i would expect good gains if you're doing everything right

 

[MikeSnow]

given diet and training are on point you can get huge on dbol and test... the question is how much of that you can really keep

 

[the rock]

Bro, Be careful as not to gain too much water weight.Run the AI and try to keep a clean diet.Maintain some abs throughout and you'll not get too bloated.Adjust you're carbs and protein accordingly.Stay away from sodium and sugar if possible.You'll get strong and mean on the dbol .I dont use it though due to the water retention it causes and its toxic on the body. Good luck a log with pictures before and after would be cool.