Getting ready for the summer - cycle tren/test/var

[Monkeyakax]

Hi everybody ! Summer is coming and I am building my cycle plan.

First thing first, my stats:

23 years old male, 5.10 ft, 12-13 % bodyfat

This will be my 3rd cycle. Last 2 were test e/var and I loved it! I changed my body the way I wanted. And the most important, I kept all my gains (even during Christmas when the food is obvisouly too good).

Next step:

So, with the summer coming, I am building my 3rd cycle plan (I will start around july).

With a little experience with var and test, I thought I could add something more spicy! I came up with Tren A. It will be a first time, and I read it mix very well with test and var.

Cycle primer (not final):

Here is my cycle idea:

1-8 week - test prop 50 mg eod (200 mg/week)
1-8 wekk - tren a 75 mg eod (300 mg/week)
4-8 week - var 80 mg ed

I read it is good to have a lower dose of test then tren, thats why I came up with a 3:2 ratio.

I think that is a good start. The dose are pretty low, but I like it like that. Given that I am still a beginner (I was running - 250 mg/week of test e last 2 cycle), I think the addition of tren at low dose is a reasonable step forward. I chose a low ester because I think it would be easier to manage (obviously more pin- but I dont mind).

PCT:

Last cycle, I simply ran clomid with clen - 50/50/25/25/12.5 - clen was a little bit random, just kept the dose under the obvious shake.

Will that be enough with the addition of Tren ? This is the confusing part. Last cycle I felt great, kept all my gains and gains little to no fat.

Sadly, where I live, I can't get N2guard...

Diet:

My diet is low carb / high prot / - chickens / eggs / black berry/ 0 fat yogourt / plenty of fruit / brown bread with tuna

Here I go with the intuition, I am not a diet Nazi (everyone cheat, sometimes, right?)

Anyway, I feel like my diet is on point - even with few cheat days during the cycle - just push harder the next day.

Hair loss treatment:

Alright, when I ran test e, I noticed my hair got thinner. I manage to buy Nizoral and it helped to thick my hair. Given that I am prone to hair loss(I think ?), with this cycle, i will try the Big 3:

- finasteride (low dose for test - maybe not even)
- regenpure DR
- lipogaine

It might or might not help... But like most people say - I might just shave and go crazy - but hey, If I can keep my hair a little longer, it worth giving it a try.

Conclusion:

Anyway, that's all guys! Tell me what do you think! All suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Thx

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Welcome to the forum! I would make a few changes to your cycle. First off, I would not use tren at your age and cycling experience. Instead, I suggest EQ which will give you very lean gains and Vascularity. I would run something like this...

Weeks 1-16
Test 500mg
EQ 300mg

Weeks 10-16
Anavar 40mg
N2Guard 7 caps per day

Perfect pct - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct

 

[muskate]

An 8 week cycle is way too short. Building muscle is a slow process. An 8 week cycle doesn't make a lot of sense. You are going to suppress your natural testosterone production but not be on long enough to make sufficient gains. I would extend your cycle to 12 weeks.

I also would increase your testosterone dosage and decrease your anavar dosage. Running your testosterone higher then the nandrolone (deca, tren, npp) will prevent libido issues. That's why you often hear people talk about 'deca dick'

You also need to incorporate an AI with your cycle to keep estrogen in the low-normal range, cabergoline for prolactin support from the tren and a liver aid as anavar is an oral toxic liver steroid.

1-12 week - test prop 100 mg eod
1-12 week - tren a 50 mg eod
1-12 cabergoline 0.5mg E3D
1-12 aromasin 10mg EOD
1-12 cardarine gw 20mg/day <- great addition for any cycle with tren to reduce side effects and increase fat loss. Read up more on it here: http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/
6-12 week - var 50 mg ed
6-12 N2guard 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
^Tren is very suppressive of natural testosterone production. DO NOT cut corners when it comes to your PCT protocol
You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[gaintrain87]

You guys did read that where he lives he can't get N2Guard right??

 

[muskate]

You guys did read that where he lives he can't get N2Guard right??

n2bm.com ships internationally

 

[Monkeyakax]

Thank you guys ! I will consider the EQ. Same with upping the test prop.

I will drop the anavar a bit, given that the pills are 20 mg, I might just go 60 mg ED.

I did not know n2bm could ship to canada!

I have access to almost everything related to support:

Caber
Aromasin
Now n2guard (thx to muskate for the n2bm suggestion)

So no problem adding this.

I might have some difficulties to get the cardarine... Any idea where I could get this in canada ?

And for the PcT, I will just stick with the perfect pct.

Looking forward to try this out ! Ty guys

 

[LevButlerov]

Thank you guys ! I will consider the EQ. Same with upping the test prop.

I will drop the anavar a bit, given that the pills are 20 mg, I might just go 60 mg ED.

I did not know n2bm could ship to canada!

I have access to almost everything related to support:

Caber
Aromasin
Now n2guard (thx to muskate for the n2bm suggestion)

So no problem adding this.

I might have some difficulties to get the cardarine... Any idea where I could get this in canada ?

And for the PcT, I will just stick with the perfect pct.

Looking forward to try this out ! Ty guys

The best place for SARMS is definitely sarms1.com - over the years only they were able to provide me with high quality and real SARMS.... and they do deliver internationally, so there will be no problems with getting them in Canada. They delivered my stuff to Germany in under a week, so I think you would be getting yours in Canada in a couple of days.

 

[s-tren-gth]

It's an unusal cycle but it's your call.
Why no generic rogaine to see if it works?

 

[Monkeyakax]

Alright, I will go with Muskate suggestion (thx bro!)

Everything look great ! (Expensive, but it's ok)

Thx everybody ! I will post result

I will try rogaine too, as you suggested.

 

[Monkeyakax]

I decided to wait for the tren...

I tought i could go with var/test prop/ primo and run the cycle for 12 weeks.

Somwthing like this:

1-12 test prop 75 eod (300mg week)
1-12 primo 300 mg/week
6-12 var 60 mg/d

What do you guys think ?

 

[LevButlerov]

I decided to wait for the tren...

I tought i could go with var/test prop/ primo and run the cycle for 12 weeks.

Somwthing like this:

1-12 test prop 75 eod (300mg week)
1-12 primo 300 mg/week
6-12 var 60 mg/d

What do you guys think ?

This is quite a good and safe cycle. As long as you use the right ancillaries, it would be a perfect pre-summer cycle in order to get shredded and in good shape. Use aromasin at 10 mgs EOD from the first day of the cycle in order to control estrogen levels, and use N2Guard along with anavar, as it is liver toxic.

 

[stevesmi]

I decided to wait for the tren...

I tought i could go with var/test prop/ primo and run the cycle for 12 weeks.

Somwthing like this:

1-12 test prop 75 eod (300mg week)
1-12 primo 300 mg/week
6-12 var 60 mg/d

What do you guys think ?

primo needs to be at 400-500 .. otherwise looks pretty good.

 

[Monkeyakax]

Thx guys !

I will add some aromasin.

Do you guys think I should add Cardarine (gw) sarms ? Somebody here suggest I should add it to my cycle.

And, do you think I could include Finasteride too ? To protect my hair from the test. I know there some conpound that should not be mix with finasteride, is it the case with primo and var ?

 

[muskate]

Thx guys !

I will add some aromasin.

Do you guys think I should add Cardarine (gw) sarms ? Somebody here suggest I should add it to my cycle.

And, do you think I could include Finasteride too ? To protect my hair from the test. I know there some conpound that should not be mix with finasteride, is it the case with primo and var ?

I would add in both cardarine and finasteride.

Caradarine at 20mg/day (10mg AM 10mg PM)
Finasteride at 1mg/day.

Using N2shampoo from n2bm.com will also further help protect your hair line.
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Health-And-Wellness-c27/N2-Shampoo-p268.html

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I'm looking forward to your cycle. You have asked questions and taken your time with this. Great suggestions above.

 

[Monkeyakax]

I would add in both cardarine and finasteride.

Caradarine at 20mg/day (10mg AM 10mg PM)
Finasteride at 1mg/day.

Using N2shampoo from n2bm.com will also further help protect your hair line.
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Health-And-Wellness-c27/N2-Shampoo-p268.html

Alright ! Would you add other A.I / protection like aromasin? Or only the above (what you suggested) would do the jobs ?

@Masonic, yeah, well I feel like I have still a lot to learn. I am always looking for new suggestions/opinion. That help me a lot

And yeah me too I look forward to start my cycle !

 

[Monkeyakax]

I would add in both cardarine and finasteride.

Caradarine at 20mg/day (10mg AM 10mg PM)
Finasteride at 1mg/day.

Using N2shampoo from n2bm.com will also further help protect your hair line.
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Health-And-Wellness-c27/N2-Shampoo-p268.html

Alright! So aromasin + cardinare + fina (for the hair) + n2guard will be my support. Will that be enough ? I heard about HGH, should I add these too ? I am still confuse about exactly what they does (HGH) ...

I'm looking forward to your cycle. You have asked questions and taken your time with this. Great suggestions above.

I feel like I still have soo much to learn. It is always great to get advices/suggestions. Thx a lot for that.

And yeah, me too I really look forward to start my cycle!

 

[Jay Scott]

An 8 week cycle is way too short. Building muscle is a slow process. An 8 week cycle doesn't make a lot of sense. You are going to suppress your natural testosterone production but not be on long enough to make sufficient gains. I would extend your cycle to 12 weeks.

I also would increase your testosterone dosage and decrease your anavar dosage. Running your testosterone higher then the nandrolone (deca, tren, npp) will prevent libido issues. That's why you often hear people talk about 'deca dick'

You also need to incorporate an AI with your cycle to keep estrogen in the low-normal range, cabergoline for prolactin support from the tren and a liver aid as anavar is an oral toxic liver steroid.

1-12 week - test prop 100 mg eod
1-12 week - tren a 50 mg eod
1-12 cabergoline 0.5mg E3D
1-12 aromasin 10mg EOD
1-12 cardarine gw 20mg/day <- great addition for any cycle with tren to reduce side effects and increase fat loss. Read up more on it here: http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/
6-12 week - var 50 mg ed
6-12 N2guard 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
^Tren is very suppressive of natural testosterone production. DO NOT cut corners when it comes to your PCT protocol
You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

Wanted to point out something very similar to this. I might suggest shooting test E/tren E instead of prop&ace for less pinning, especially when its first cycle. If you feel that tren is not for you (as some people get pretty mental on it), you can just drop it. Just make sure you have some aromasin & caber on hand, you dont want to mess up your e2 & prolactin in the very first attempt of using gear

 

[Monkeyakax]

Alright guys, I am about to order the compound I need for my cycle, and I was wondering if it is a good ideo to lower the test and up the primo something like this:

Test prop 200 mg/week 1-12
Primo 400 mg/week 1-12
var 80 mg 6-12(last 6 weeks)

Caradarine at 20mg/day (10mg AM 10mg PM)
Finasteride at 1mg/day.

Aromasin (I am still not sure aboout this one)

Anyway, thx guys.

 

[LevButlerov]

Alright guys, I am about to order the compound I need for my cycle, and I was wondering if it is a good ideo to lower the test and up the primo something like this:

Test prop 200 mg/week 1-12 You need to increase that dosage to like 300-400 mgs per week in order to get noticeable results. Otherwise, your primobolan use will be just a waste of money
Primo 400 mg/week 1-12
var 80 mg 6-12(last 6 weeks) This is quite a lot of anavar - you don't need any more than just 50 mgs per day. This is the sweetspot that offers the best results with the least amount of side effects and reasonable stress put on the liver.

Caradarine at 20mg/day (10mg AM 10mg PM)
Finasteride at 1mg/day.

Aromasin (I am still not sure aboout this one) You should be sure - testosterone will aromatize into estrogen, and you need to keep that under control. Take 10 mgs EOD from the first day of the cycle. Don't do the mistake many guys commit by waiting for the side effects to appear before starting to take it. After all, it is much easier to prevent side effects rather than deal with them once they occurr. Also, make sure to be using a good liver supporting supplement, since anavar is liver toxic, especially at such dosages. N2guard would be your best bet, as it has the most complete formula on the market, and now it also features TUDCA in it, which is awesome.

Anyway, thx guys.

I am in bold above. All in all, your cycle looks good, but these minor adjustments need to be done.