HCG after Test E and Tren E Dosage? Opinions please!

[mackadonian]

Hello again,

Stats: 176 lbs
5'8"
4 Cycles under belt
6 years of training

My next cycle will consist of a low Test E dose and high Tren E dose. Reason why? Because I'd like to see the sides with this set up. Please check my use of hCG and PCT protocol. Any suggestions are welcome.

Week 1-12
Test E 250 EW
Tren E 400 EW
adex 0.5mg EOD

Week 10-12
hCG 1000 iu EW
adex 0.5mg EOD

Week 14-20
Clomid 50/50/25/25/25/25
adex 0.5mg EOD

I've read several forums stating that hCG is more than enough just to run it the last two week of your steroid cycle going into PCT.
What are your thoughts on this?
Does this setup look alright?


Thanks!

 

[muskate]

You never want to include HCG in a PCT protocol because it is suppressive of natural testosterone production. If you take some time to do some research on HCG, you will find that it does more harm then good. Read this: http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/

HCG will increase LH and FSH, yes, but it will also increase estrogen levels and it's suppressive of natural testosterone production. The problem with HCG is that when you stop using it, your natural testosterone production is suppressed and you get an estrogen rebound to boot. That is why so many users experience gyno after HCG use.

My advice:
1. Your cycle itself looks good but you need to add in an anti prolactin drug because you are using a nandrolone (tren). cabergoline at 0.5mg E3D is a good idea.
2. Look into cardarine. It's a great addition to any cycle that includes tren to reduce tren related side effects and increase fat loss. http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/
3. After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol as laid out in this article -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
If you run the perfect PCT, you have nothing to worry about in terms of recovering after your cycle.

 

[mackadonian]

You never want to include HCG in a PCT protocol because it is suppressive of natural testosterone production. If you take some time to do some research on HCG, you will find that it does more harm then good. Read this: http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/

HCG will increase LH and FSH, yes, but it will also increase estrogen levels and it's suppressive of natural testosterone production. The problem with HCG is that when you stop using it, your natural testosterone production is suppressed and you get an estrogen rebound to boot. That is why so many users experience gyno after HCG use.

My advice:
1. Your cycle itself looks good but you need to add in an anti prolactin drug because you are using a nandrolone (tren). cabergoline at 0.5mg E3D is a good idea.
2. Look into cardarine. It's a great addition to any cycle that includes tren to reduce tren related side effects and increase fat loss. http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/
3. After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol as laid out in this article -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
If you run the perfect PCT, you have nothing to worry about in terms of recovering after your cycle.

I'm a little confused now. You're telling me to take the hCG off the cycle completely and use hcGenerate two weeks after the cycle and then start PCT?
Thanks!

 

[LevButlerov]

I'm a little confused now. You're telling me to take the hCG off the cycle completely and use hcGenerate two weeks after the cycle and then start PCT?
Thanks!

Yes, this is exactly what he means, and he is right. I would not use HCG, neither on cycle, nor off cycle, since its benefits are definitely not worth all the risks. It can cause such side effects as gyno and suppression, and it will barely do anything for your natural testosterone production. In fact, it only mimics the functions of LH and FSH, but it will not actually make them work. As a result, you will get an increased level of testosterone only while you take HCG, which will drop back down as soon as you stop using it. Therefore, it would make sense to use something that will cause less side effects and actually do something for your natural testosterone production. For instance, you can use HCGenerate ES - it will keep the plums big and functioning during the cycle, and it will be a great help for natural testosterone production during PCT, since it will make LH and FSH actually work. As a result, your body will keep producing testosterone even after you stop taking it. However, unlike HCG, it will not cause any side effects at all, and it is more convenient, since it is taken orally. Besides, the libido boost from HCGenerate ES is a sight to see.

Also, make sure to be using cabergoline on cycle, since trenbolone will increase prolactin levels, and you want to keep those under control.

 

[stevesmi]

bud musky gave you solid advice

i will tell you that PCT is awful. you will feel like crap on it trust me .. fix it if you want to keep gains and feel good

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

PCT is the most important part of any cycle. You want to make sure you recover and keep your gains. You are running a very harsh compound in tren so this is especially important.