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There is no way to know until you try. None of these drugs are going to kill you if used properly and if they obtained from trusted sources. Your fear osteoporosis is way overblown and gyno can be dealt with. Either shit or get off the pot. Stop creating different topics. If you want more info start a log with your diet and training and you can ask all the questions your want there. You keep focusing on drugs but you give us no idea about the other 95% of the equation. Saying you know how to train and eat doesn't mean you do. You seem to have a lot to say except when you are asked to share something.I know T-bol is a derivative of testosterone that acts differently in the body.
As for the issues, how do you know I won't have any? Obviously, different people give me different answers to the same question and I don't know what and who to believe...
Read my reply above about how it was designed (as almost all steroids were). TBol is the ONLY one that was designed for sport specific use. Not by a commercial lab but the whole damn country (viz state sponsored). Even 'The Clear' was only a variation on pre-existing steroids (one or two of the lesser known 100 I referred to).
Think LOGICALLY. How does it add performance enhancement if it does not act in a steroid like manner? It wouldn't need testosterone in it's make up if it was merely their to boost energy. Just use (as many did then) a form of speed. It boosted BOTH muscular speed/explosiveness (a little) and POWER.
It's YOU that's saying ''More testosterone means more aromatization and estrogen''. It's, at best, an over simplification of the 'science'.
Take it from me: not even the full muscle building process is completely understood never mind the simple fact that PED use and understanding of it has yet to be properly studied (ethics stop that). And when ONLY TBol was designed for PED usage when the rest of AAS were not you're not gonna get as much info as you want.
Here's a thing I had a buddy who knew where the chemical bonds were. He'd made a point of which carbon molecule went where. Fat mofo drinking milk etc. And even if he was a muscular mofo instead did knowing the specifics enhance his physique? The only ones who benefit from seeing the little chemical diagrams are the chemists who make steroids
So, according to what you, @Mobster and @stevesmi , say, turinabol adds testosterone to the body, correct? If that's the case and there is aromatization, why is turinabol considered a non-aromatizing steroid that doesn't cause gynecomastia due to elevated estrogen levels?if you run 1000mgs of tren and get blood work done for testosteorne it will show your test levels under 50ng/dl. normal range is 300-900ng/dl
it is because that particular bloodwork is searching for testosterone metabolites. it doesn't account for the amount of androgens and male hormones floating in your bloods. if it did then 1000mgs of tren would put your bloodwork at like 8000ng/dl
same with tbol.. if you run a mild dose of 30mgs just cause it won't show up as test doesn't mean you aren't getting male hormones from it.
Designed not to. Said so in a postSo, according to what you, @Mobster and @stevesmi , say, turinabol adds testosterone to the body, correct? If that's the case and there is aromatization, why is turinabol considered a non-aromatizing steroid that doesn't cause gynecomastia due to elevated estrogen levels?
I'm trying to understand if turinabol can cause elevated estrogen levels due to aromatization, and gynecomastia.
For the 10th time now, NO it does not aromatize. Even though it is testosterone it's chemical structure if different meaning it works differently within the body. Why is this so hard to understand. More anabolic/less androgenic=dry compound.So, according to what you, @Mobster and @stevesmi , say, turinabol adds testosterone to the body, correct? If that's the case and there is aromatization, why is turinabol considered a non-aromatizing steroid that doesn't cause gynecomastia due to elevated estrogen levels?
I'm trying to understand if turinabol can cause elevated estrogen levels due to aromatization, and gynecomastia.
So turinabol doesn't add externally testosterone to the body, correct? If correct, how can it still cause gynecomastia due to elevated estrogen levels, if it doesn't add testosterone, meaning there won't be elevated T levels to aromatize?Designed not to. Said so in a post
Exactly! This is exactly what I was saying since my first posts.For the 10th time now, NO it does not aromatize. Even though it is testosterone it's chemical structure if different meaning it works differently within the body. Why is this so hard to understand. More anabolic/less androgenic=dry compound.
Read below. It doesn't aromatize because it's made not to.
Turnibol will suppress natural production. I don't have much knowledge of HCG, but it can increase estrogen levels in men while taking it so not a great idea for you.Exactly! This is exactly what I was saying since my first posts.
So, if turinabol doesn't aromatize but suppresses natural T, then hCG is the only thing I need during the cycle, and a PCT isn't needed, since there won't be T shut down and natural production will be just fine and won't have to be recovered?
So, can I do a turinabol-only cycle without getting lowered testosterone and estrogen, and health issues related to low estrogen? That's why I asked if hCG is the only thing I need; I should use hCG to prevent testosterone shut down due to turinabol, ok?
Again, my primary fears are gyno and osteoporosis (bone deformations).
Okay, then using hCG is not an option.Turnibol will suppress natural production. I don't have much knowledge of HCG, but it can increase estrogen levels in men while taking it so not a great idea for you.
"The most common adverse effect from HCG is due to its ability to directly stimulate estrogen production from the testicles, which in some cases can make it so that a male’s estrogen levels are higher than ideal or cause estrogen dominance"
If you want to do this listen to the guys here and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Turnibol will not give you Gyno or osteoporosis.
I asked this before but i don't think you answered. Why not try SARMS??? You are making this way more complicated than it is or needs to be.
Your estrogen is not gonna crash. You will be fine. I know plenty of guys that only do orals and have 0 of the issues you are worried about.Okay, turinabol will suppress my natural T production, which will cause suppression of aromatization and estrogen and e2, which is something I don't want. What should I do to prevent such suppression during a 4- or 6-week cycle with only turinabol?
Is it sure turinabol won't give gyno? It shouldn't if it doesn't aromatize, ok?
Yeah i'm getting there as well.I'm done with the time and energy invested. No more replies beyond have a nice day