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hCG during a cycle with oral steroids only

we are waiting for your log Journal
you can keep it all on one thread and ask questions as you experiment with your body
 
I would love to see you put up a log
that would be crucial and help you get better results
 
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without logging it and seeing it for yourself
I'm not sure that you will ever get convinced my anything that we're telling you lol
 
we are still waiting for your log it's way past due
instead of always arguing back and forth and wanting to debate every thread it's time for you to do more actions than words
 
bros I think if you focus more on your training and diet and getting that nail down and continue to research

then you would get much further
 
I know T-bol is a derivative of testosterone that acts differently in the body.

As for the issues, how do you know I won't have any? Obviously, different people give me different answers to the same question and I don't know what and who to believe...
There is no way to know until you try. None of these drugs are going to kill you if used properly and if they obtained from trusted sources. Your fear osteoporosis is way overblown and gyno can be dealt with. Either shit or get off the pot. Stop creating different topics. If you want more info start a log with your diet and training and you can ask all the questions your want there. You keep focusing on drugs but you give us no idea about the other 95% of the equation. Saying you know how to train and eat doesn't mean you do. You seem to have a lot to say except when you are asked to share something.
Let me give you a tip. When you ask for advice and it's given to you, take it. Everyone on this site has been in your shoes and jumped in and most that don't abuse gear do not have issues and if they do they can be dealt with. Again, people are taking time out of their day to help you with your questions. Instead of taking advice and helping us to help you a little you just argue the same points that are not valid.

Look at the responses above. I'm not alone in my thinking.
 
Read my reply above about how it was designed (as almost all steroids were). TBol is the ONLY one that was designed for sport specific use. Not by a commercial lab but the whole damn country (viz state sponsored). Even 'The Clear' was only a variation on pre-existing steroids (one or two of the lesser known 100 I referred to).

Think LOGICALLY. How does it add performance enhancement if it does not act in a steroid like manner? It wouldn't need testosterone in it's make up if it was merely their to boost energy. Just use (as many did then) a form of speed. It boosted BOTH muscular speed/explosiveness (a little) and POWER.

It's YOU that's saying ''More testosterone means more aromatization and estrogen''. It's, at best, an over simplification of the 'science'.

Take it from me: not even the full muscle building process is completely understood never mind the simple fact that PED use and understanding of it has yet to be properly studied (ethics stop that). And when ONLY TBol was designed for PED usage when the rest of AAS were not you're not gonna get as much info as you want.

Here's a thing I had a buddy who knew where the chemical bonds were. He'd made a point of which carbon molecule went where. Fat mofo drinking milk etc. And even if he was a muscular mofo instead did knowing the specifics enhance his physique? The only ones who benefit from seeing the little chemical diagrams are the chemists who make steroids
if you run 1000mgs of tren and get blood work done for testosteorne it will show your test levels under 50ng/dl. normal range is 300-900ng/dl
it is because that particular bloodwork is searching for testosterone metabolites. it doesn't account for the amount of androgens and male hormones floating in your bloods. if it did then 1000mgs of tren would put your bloodwork at like 8000ng/dl

same with tbol.. if you run a mild dose of 30mgs just cause it won't show up as test doesn't mean you aren't getting male hormones from it.
So, according to what you, @Mobster and @stevesmi , say, turinabol adds testosterone to the body, correct? If that's the case and there is aromatization, why is turinabol considered a non-aromatizing steroid that doesn't cause gynecomastia due to elevated estrogen levels?

I'm trying to understand if turinabol can cause elevated estrogen levels due to aromatization, and gynecomastia.
 
So, according to what you, @Mobster and @stevesmi , say, turinabol adds testosterone to the body, correct? If that's the case and there is aromatization, why is turinabol considered a non-aromatizing steroid that doesn't cause gynecomastia due to elevated estrogen levels?

I'm trying to understand if turinabol can cause elevated estrogen levels due to aromatization, and gynecomastia.
Designed not to. Said so in a post
 
So, according to what you, @Mobster and @stevesmi , say, turinabol adds testosterone to the body, correct? If that's the case and there is aromatization, why is turinabol considered a non-aromatizing steroid that doesn't cause gynecomastia due to elevated estrogen levels?

I'm trying to understand if turinabol can cause elevated estrogen levels due to aromatization, and gynecomastia.
For the 10th time now, NO it does not aromatize. Even though it is testosterone it's chemical structure if different meaning it works differently within the body. Why is this so hard to understand. More anabolic/less androgenic=dry compound.
Read below. It doesn't aromatize because it's made not to.

How Does Turinabol Work, What Does Turinabol Do​

Turinabol activates the androgen receptor (AR). Activation of the androgen receptor stimulates protein synthesis, which increases muscle growth, lean body mass and bone mineral density.

AASs were created as a potential alternative to testosterone, to have more anabolic and less androgenic effects. Anabolic androgenic steroids such as Turinabol, potentiate androgen receptor activity and have high tissue selectivity for muscle and bone. Testosterone esters have a high ratio of anabolic to androgenic effects. Turinabol has a ratio of anabolic:androgenicity of 54:6 [R].

Compared to other AAS, Turinabol is far weaker, and with a shorter half-life of 16 hours, it is used daily. T-Bol, is only 50% as anabolic compared to testosterone, which is the base of all AAS, and has a rating of 100.

Although all AAS are derived from testosterone, Turinabol is not synthesized from nandrolone, or dihydrotestosterone (DHT). In general, the compounds derived from testosterone, are:

Turinabol, is not a substrate for aromatase, therefore, is not converted into estrogen and does not carry any estrogenic side effects, due to the added 4-chloro group. It also has limited affinity for 5α-reductase, reducing androgenic side effects.

Turinabol lowers SHBG, and in theory will raise free testosterone, however, will shut down HPG, and can cause hypogonadism, and overtime lower endogenous testosterone production.
 
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So turinabol doesn't add externally testosterone to the body, correct? If correct, how can it still cause gynecomastia due to elevated estrogen levels, if it doesn't add testosterone, meaning there won't be elevated T levels to aromatize?

If turinabol doesn't add testosterone but suppresses natural T, isn't hCG the only thing I need during a cycle, with a PCT not needed, since hCG will have prevented T shut down during the cycle, meaning there won't be a need to recover T production?
 
For the 10th time now, NO it does not aromatize. Even though it is testosterone it's chemical structure if different meaning it works differently within the body. Why is this so hard to understand. More anabolic/less androgenic=dry compound.
Read below. It doesn't aromatize because it's made not to.
Exactly! This is exactly what I was saying since my first posts.

So, if turinabol doesn't aromatize but suppresses natural T, then hCG is the only thing I need during the cycle, and a PCT isn't needed, since there won't be T shut down and natural production will be just fine and won't have to be recovered?

So, can I do a turinabol-only cycle without getting lowered testosterone and estrogen, and health issues related to low estrogen? That's why I asked if hCG is the only thing I need; I should use hCG to prevent testosterone shut down due to turinabol, ok?

Again, my primary fears are gyno and osteoporosis (bone deformations).
 
Exactly! This is exactly what I was saying since my first posts.

So, if turinabol doesn't aromatize but suppresses natural T, then hCG is the only thing I need during the cycle, and a PCT isn't needed, since there won't be T shut down and natural production will be just fine and won't have to be recovered?

So, can I do a turinabol-only cycle without getting lowered testosterone and estrogen, and health issues related to low estrogen? That's why I asked if hCG is the only thing I need; I should use hCG to prevent testosterone shut down due to turinabol, ok?

Again, my primary fears are gyno and osteoporosis (bone deformations).
Turnibol will suppress natural production. I don't have much knowledge of HCG, but it can increase estrogen levels in men while taking it so not a great idea for you.
"The most common adverse effect from HCG is due to its ability to directly stimulate estrogen production from the testicles, which in some cases can make it so that a male’s estrogen levels are higher than ideal or cause estrogen dominance"

If you want to do this listen to the guys here and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Turnibol will not give you Gyno or osteoporosis.
I asked this before but i don't think you answered. Why not try SARMS??? You are making this way more complicated than it is or needs to be.
 
Turnibol will suppress natural production. I don't have much knowledge of HCG, but it can increase estrogen levels in men while taking it so not a great idea for you.
"The most common adverse effect from HCG is due to its ability to directly stimulate estrogen production from the testicles, which in some cases can make it so that a male’s estrogen levels are higher than ideal or cause estrogen dominance"

If you want to do this listen to the guys here and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Turnibol will not give you Gyno or osteoporosis.
I asked this before but i don't think you answered. Why not try SARMS??? You are making this way more complicated than it is or needs to be.
Okay, then using hCG is not an option.

Okay, turinabol will suppress my natural T production, which will cause suppression of aromatization and estrogen and e2, which is something I don't want. What should I do to prevent such suppression during a 4- or 6-week cycle with only turinabol?

Is it sure turinabol won't give gyno? It shouldn't if it doesn't aromatize, ok?

As for SARMs, I already said why I don't trust them. Evidence of their effectiveness on humans is limited and they don't look serious to me.

I can absolutely legally buy Ostarine right now from an online platform that is legit and claims to work only with legit sellers, but I don't trust SARMs.

If I do cycles, I prefer steroids over SARMs.
 
There's literally NOTHING, IMO, that will keep natural test levels high while we're on a suppressive product of any kind. If there was we'd all be doing it all the time. No one would ever need a PCT. It's not why you use HCG on cycle or even a test booster. Those reasons have been covered in detail in posts and threads on those topics You can find them via the search function
 
Okay, turinabol will suppress my natural T production, which will cause suppression of aromatization and estrogen and e2, which is something I don't want. What should I do to prevent such suppression during a 4- or 6-week cycle with only turinabol?

Is it sure turinabol won't give gyno? It shouldn't if it doesn't aromatize, ok?
Your estrogen is not gonna crash. You will be fine. I know plenty of guys that only do orals and have 0 of the issues you are worried about.
Turnibol will not give you gyno as long as it's real turnibol.
You do realize you can have gyno surgically removed if it bothers you that much right? It can also be handled with SERMS if it starts to come on. The only way to know is to try and have the right drugs on hand to combat any issues.
We have givin you much advice here. When are you going to post what we asked for? Pics, training and diet.
 
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