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Your estrogen is not gonna crash. You will be fine. I know plenty of guys that only do orals and have 0 of the issues you are worried about.
Turnibol will not give you gyno as long as it's real turnibol.
You do realize you can have gyno surgically removed if it bothers you that much right? It can also be handled with SERMS if it starts to come on. The only way to know is to try and have the right drugs on hand to combat any issues.
We have givin you much advice here. When are you going to post what we asked for? Pics, training and diet.
How won't estrogen crash, if production of estrogen requires testosterone (aromatization) and turinabol will suppress testosterone?

Yes, I know I can have my gyno removed, but I don't want to be embarrassed in the front of doctors and students (including sexy bitches) who may or may not be there during the examinations.

Given that turinabol suppresses natural T production, how additional drugs should I take during the cycle to prevent hormones (testosterone and estrogen) from becoming too low?

As for the PCT, is tissue-specific drugs better than general ones? Should I use an estrogen inhibitor that targets ONLY the breast tissue, not the overall estrogen in my body?

I don't want elevated estrogen, but I don't want too low estrogen either.

It would be ok if you explain me step by step what exactly to do. 😟
 
How won't estrogen crash, if production of estrogen requires testosterone (aromatization) and turinabol will suppress testosterone?
It requires androgens. Not specifically testosterone. Estrogen production in males is not solely created in the testis. It's much more complex. You are hung up on one thing that is not accurate.
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Given that turinabol suppresses natural T production, how additional drugs should I take during the cycle to prevent hormones (testosterone and estrogen) from becoming too low?
You could take a test booster or nothing. Your body isn't gonna get messed up taking 50g of turnibol for 5-10 weeks. Plenty do it. You will be fine. Big changes in your body take months to happen. You have 0 to worry about here.
Yes, I know I can have my gyno removed, but I don't want to be embarrassed in the front of doctors and students (including sexy bitches) who may or may not be there during the examinations.
You obviously are very insecure. I had gyno surgury about 10-12 years ago. Went for a mammogram just like a women and then had the surgery. Any female that works there is not looking at you in a sexual way. They are doing a job. Yes it was a little embarrassing but life goes on.
Also had two hot nurses in the operating room during my vasectomy. One was holding my dick the entire time. The other was just staring at it. I was awake the whole time. How do you think i felt? Again, embarrassing while it was happening but a funny story after. How about after the surgery when I had to have an ultrasound on my testicles? Yep, you guessed it, a young, hot tech all over my balls. Who give a fuck dude!!!
As for the PCT, is tissue-specific drugs better than general ones? Should I use an estrogen inhibitor that targets ONLY the breast tissue, not the overall estrogen in my body?
Just follow a standard PCT protocol that you have been given multiple times. Clomid and Novaldex. Novaldex is a tissue selective SERM.
I don't want elevated estrogen, but I don't want too low estrogen either.
Nothing to worry about here. You are overthinking this. Understand you are nervous but we have you covered.
It would be ok if you explain me step by step what exactly to do. 😟
Not sure what you are looking for here. You've been told multiple times in all of your threads.
 
Every steroid will suppress natural testosterone production. There is no way to prevent it. The body is smart......if it is getting testosterone from another source, it doesn't need to make its own.
 
It requires androgens. Not specifically testosterone. Estrogen production in males is not solely created in the testis. It's much more complex. You are hung up on one thing that is not accurate.
So, turinabol doesn't represent pure testosterone, meaning it can't increase testosterone in the body, but it can still add androgens, not testosterone, and cause them aromatize to estrogen. Did I get it correctly? In this case, it can still cause gynecomastia?

You could take a test booster or nothing. Your body isn't gonna get messed up taking 50g of turnibol for 5-10 weeks. Plenty do it. You will be fine. Big changes in your body take months to happen. You have 0 to worry about here.
Okay. But for a first time, I will start with only 20 mg a day to see how the body react. If I don't see side effects I don't want, I will increase the dose.

Just follow a standard PCT protocol that you have been given multiple times. Clomid and Novaldex. Novaldex is a tissue selective SERM.
Okay. And what about hCG during the steroid cycle?

Can I do a turinabol-only cycle without any additional drugs, and then only the PCT after the cycle, or are protectors and inhibitors needed during the cycle?

As for estrogen inhibitors and T boosters (tamoxifen and clomiphene), what is the recommended dose after a 4 week cycle? Taking too much of these medicines will suppress estrogen too much.

Every steroid will suppress natural testosterone production. There is no way to prevent it. The body is smart......if it is getting testosterone from another source, it doesn't need to make its own.
Yes, I know this. I know how to restore natural T production after a cycle, but I'm still worried about estrogen imbalance. Such imbalance can cause horrific things like gynecomastia and osteoporosis (bone deformations).

Currently, I'm trying to find a way to prevent gyno and osteoporosis due to steroids use. I'm almost ready and I know most of the things about steroids.
 
This is going to be my last response. I think you are too immature to use gear at this point. I think you are out of shape with a little fat around your nips and you think you are gyno prone because of it. Prove me wrong.
All of this info has been givin to you multiple times.

So, turinabol doesn't represent pure testosterone, meaning it can't increase testosterone in the body, but it can still add androgens, not testosterone, and cause them aromatize to estrogen. Did I get it correctly? In this case, it can still cause gynecomastia?
Turnibol does not aromatize. That's how it was chemically made. You will not get gyno or have any issues with low/high estrogen
Okay. But for a first time, I will start with only 20 mg a day to see how the body react. If I don't see side effects I don't want, I will increase the dose.
Totally up to you but i would start at at least 40mg/day.
Okay. And what about hCG during the steroid cycle?

Can I do a turinabol-only cycle without any additional drugs, and then only the PCT after the cycle, or are protectors and inhibitors needed during the cycle?

As for estrogen inhibitors and T boosters (tamoxifen and clomiphene), what is the recommended dose after a 4 week cycle? Taking too much of these medicines will suppress estrogen too much.
No HCG.
Yes, turnibol and nothing else but organ protection.
If your doing a 4 week cycle I honestly don't think you will need anything for PCT. Your body will recover on it's own.
Stop worrying about low estrogen. It comes back. I've crashed mine a couple times. It's not as big a deal as your making it out to be.
It would be an issue if it was low long term.
 
No HCG.
Yes, turnibol and nothing else but organ protection.
If your doing a 4 week cycle I honestly don't think you will need anything for PCT. Your body will recover on it's own.
Stop worrying about low estrogen. It comes back. I've crashed mine a couple times. It's not as big a deal as your making it out to be.
It would be an issue if it was low long term.
Ok
I will do it
 
This is going to be my last response. I think you are too immature to use gear at this point. I think you are out of shape with a little fat around your nips and you think you are gyno prone because of it. Prove me wrong.
All of this info has been givin to you multiple times.


Turnibol does not aromatize. That's how it was chemically made. You will not get gyno or have any issues with low/high estrogen

Totally up to you but i would start at at least 40mg/day.

No HCG.
Yes, turnibol and nothing else but organ protection.
If your doing a 4 week cycle I honestly don't think you will need anything for PCT. Your body will recover on it's own.
Stop worrying about low estrogen. It comes back. I've crashed mine a couple times. It's not as big a deal as your making it out to be.
It would be an issue if it was low long term.
Thank you!
 
What is bad idea?
I’m pretty sure you could have run a successful peptide cycle with a log in the same time it’s taken you to spin your wheels asking the same stuff over and over.

I understand you want to become an epic body building model and make it big in life, is true peptides won’t take you all the way there, most likely.

However they are a fantastic starting point for PEDs, and they can absolutely fast track you to the point where you have that really solid base to really benefit from steroids. They could also offer you the opportunity to actually make progress training, get better at doing logs etc so once you have that foundation you’ll also be ready for steroids both physically and in terms of education. At the moment you don’t seem to be training or making progress.

There are loads of logs where people do peptides, plenty for you to learn from. My own recovery log is about to have more of that in the coming weeks. I’ll be on a cycle of Ibutamoren + Cardarine + Stenabolic. Is all oral, no injections and also no pct. You should look at something simple like that, which you can start right away without all these concerns about pct, gyno etc.

Also, stop waiting to get on PEDs to start training and logging it, get on that now, train and log it on here, you are doing it all backwards. I nearly died of Clostridium Dificile, lost basically ALL my good gut bacteria, like 80% of my immune system was gone, I doubt you know this but your body isn’t just low testosterone in that state, it actually can’t produce it properly anymore you actually need the right gut bacteria for that isn’t just testis responsible. I’d lost 35kgs, was a skeleton. I could bench 15kgs MAXIMUM for few reps to complete failure. I trained like that, there is a photo of my log from back then in my recovery log. I also knew training couldn’t work at that stage but I did it, I wasn’t able to gain muscle again until after a fecal microbiota transplant, I literally have another persons biome it completely altered my body composition.

Stop waiting, you don’t have a good enough excuse to not be training, get on that as a priority, spend less time on what isn’t going to work as a short to medium term goal, you have a lot of time to learn about steroids as you train and achieve your base, and you can do that with peptides, or even without them you aren’t so low test you can’t train that is rubbish.
 
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