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HCG During or After?

Okay guys...I am seeing a lot of debate over whether small doses of HCG should be run during cycle or larger doses should be ran in the last couple weeks prepping for PCT. I want to see where people stand on this, and whether or not you find HCG necessary in your cycle. Thanks everyone!
 
Hcg is definitely important in any cycle . I personally love hcg. The newer school philosophy is that hug shoul be ran at 250 twice a week with the smaller dose being enough to prevent testicular atrophy while not desensitizing the leydig cells . I agree with this but think that a larger dose should also be administerd around 2 weeks before last inj . not above 5000 that is my humble opinion
 
Hcg is definitely important in any cycle . I personally love hcg. The newer school philosophy is that hug shoul be ran at 250 twice a week with the smaller dose being enough to prevent testicular atrophy while not desensitizing the leydig cells . I agree with this but think that a larger dose should also be administerd around 2 weeks before last inj . not above 5000 that is my humble opinion

What is your reasoning for the larger doses around 2 weeks before the last injection? I can't think of any scientific purpose for this. As a matter of act, I can only think of how detrimental it could be.

As most people know, HCG mimics LH to keep the testes full sized and functional. So if your testes are already good and still functioning as they were through before the cycle thanks to the small, 2x/week doses of HCG, why the hell would you do large doses?

The only reason large doses are done at the end of the cycle (when its not ran through the cycle in small doses) is to FORCE the testes to start working again. It takes a LOT of stimulation to get the testes working again quickly after they've been shut down for a good while.

Large doses will cause desensitization if used for too long.

Whereas it has been proven that small doses 1-3x/week don't run risks to that same extent. A while ago I read about this trial done where some people ran something like 500 MCG 2-3x/week for a really long time (I believe it was 4-6 months?) and they didn't run into any issues.

Here's how I feel about doing one or the other:

If you don't care about testicular atrophy (if it doesn't bother you at all) and you're on HRT/TRT anyways between cycles, then there isn't too much of a concern. You can just use the HCG when you want to get your testes going again. The pros I have talked to about this say the only time they touch HCG is when they want help increase the risk of their woman pregnant or something of that nature. But they're on gear literally non-stop, so it would be somewhat pointless for them to constantly use HCG. They accept testicular atrophy as part of the game. IF YOU ARE NOT ABOUT TO GO PRO, I DO NOT SUGGEST THIS.

However, if you're young, plan on having kids, or you do regular cycles here and there rather than always being on gear year around, you should use HCG with your cycle. As the saying goes "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Why struggle with your natural Testosterone production being shut down so hard when you can make sure its still all in pretty great shape while you're cycling by doing periodic, small doses?

If you are going to do a 3-6 month cycle or something that's insanely long though... It might not be a bad idea to just let your testes atrophy and just deal with it when you're coming off though. While the study I read was discussing how using larger doses than we generally do for such purposes for such a long time came out fine, I still think its not worth the risk. I don't know why any "normal" person would stay on a cycle for so long, but everyone has their reasons for their decisions.

Obviously if you've done both and you prefer one over the other, then go with what you like. Everyone is different. But this is how I feel about all of this. If someone is doing "normal cycles" and what not, I will always suggest maintenance of the testes while on a cycle rather than fighting with them to get them back to normal when you're done with a cycle. It just seems ridiculously obvious to me.

However, I completely recognize that some people will disagree with me, and I understand that. Some people feel VERY strongly about not using it during a cycle and only using it for the absolute shortest amount of time necessary at the end of a cycle, only. Again, it comes down to whatever works best for each individual.
 
In my experience 250 2 x a week will keep my testes from atrophy but not hanging like natural when I take the 5000 2 weeks before end of cycle they drop and stay dropped
 
in my experience it was always best for me to do 250mcg blasts approx twice a week while on cycle, and at end of cycle (dependent on ester) do a large approx. 2000mcg blast to get the boys back and firing...doing it on cycle not only keeps your balls big but seems to help in my recovery at end of cycle.....hcg on cycle is very important for heavy hitters like tren and deca imo
 
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