Hcg during or pct?

[upl101]

I would like to know how most of you guys run your hcg.
For years, i have been running HCG during my cycle up untill pct time.
After doing extensive research i changed from
running during my cycle to blasting out HCG in the last 4 weeks of my cycle at 2500iu 2x weekly and I have found great recovery by using this method.

What i have found in my research and my own trial and error is that Use of hcg during cycle will keep your testes responsive to LH but make LH production slower to start after cycle so recovery is based on ramping LH production up, where as not using it and only using it towards the end of your cycle will mean your LH will bounce back real quick after cycle due to negative feedback loops but the testes will not be responsive and recovery is based around the testes becoming responsive to LH.

Please share your thoughts on this topic, and explain what you think is the best method on using HCG. Many people use HCG in different ways and methods, and there is allot of confusion in the bodybuilding world on how to properly use it. Please use evidence when sharing what you think is the most correct method.

Thanks guys!

 

[stevesmi]

you can run blood work with hcg and see that hcg suppresses LH and FSH

you never want to use it in pct at all.

also what do you mean by 'greater recovery'.. i could inject test in pct too and boost my test levels, does that mean i am better recovered?

the point of pct is to provide a soft landing but also not interfering with your own bodies recovery. using hcg or any sort of hormone is going to delay recovery, not speed it up

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I would like to know how most of you guys run your hcg.
For years, i have been running HCG during my cycle up untill pct time.
After doing extensive research i changed from
running during my cycle to blasting out HCG in the last 4 weeks of my cycle at 2500iu 2x weekly and I have found great recovery by using this method.

What i have found in my research and my own trial and error is that Use of hcg during cycle will keep your testes responsive to LH but make LH production slower to start after cycle so recovery is based on ramping LH production up, where as not using it and only using it towards the end of your cycle will mean your LH will bounce back real quick after cycle due to negative feedback loops but the testes will not be responsive and recovery is based around the testes becoming responsive to LH.

Please share your thoughts on this topic, and explain what you think is the best method on using HCG. Many people use HCG in different ways and methods, and there is allot of confusion in the bodybuilding world on how to properly use it. Please use evidence when sharing what you think is the most correct method.

Thanks guys!

I use it during the final week of each cycle and during the first three weeks of PCT. I inject three times per week - Monday, Wednesday and Friday - at 500IUs each - 1500IUs per week. And I don't sell HCG nor anything else.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

HCG always pumps me balls back up to normality post-haste.

 

[LevButlerov]

I would not use HCG, neither on cycle, nor off cycle, since its benefits are definitely not worth all the risks. It can cause such side effects as gyno and suppression, and it will barely do anything for your natural testosterone production. In fact, it only mimics the functions of LH and FSH, but it will not actually make them work. As a result, you will get an increased level of testosterone only while you take HCG, which will drop back down as soon as you stop using it. Therefore, it would make sense to use something that will cause less side effects and actually do something for your natural testosterone production. For instance, you can use HCGenerate ES - it will keep the plums big and functioning during the cycle, and it will be a great help for natural testosterone production during PCT, since it will make LH and FSH actually work. As a result, your body will keep producing testosterone even after you stop taking it. However, unlike HCG, it will not cause any side effects at all, and it is more convenient, since it is taken orally. Besides, the libido boost from HCGenerate ES is a sight to see.

 

[muskate]

Check out this article -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/hcg-dangerous-part-2-a-51145.html

I highly recommend anyone wanting more information on the topic to listen to episode #74 of the evolutionary radio podcast -> https://www.evolutionary.org/episode-74/

The only time I can see HCG having merit is for someone who has been on TRT for a long time who is trying to get their wife pregnant.

Besides that individual circumstance, I feel that HCG does more harm then good.

Ask anyone why they include HCG in their cycle/PCT lay out and they will give you a bioscience answer. I have not once heard a proper scientific answer as to why HCG should be a part of a cycle or PCT lay out.

 

[stevesmi]

HCG always pumps me balls back up to normality post-haste.

the problem here is the point i made above.

one can argue test is good to use in pct because it boosts test levels. but are we helping or hurting our situation in the intermediate term?

hcg will plump up your balls, because it mimics LH. the problem is it also suppresses your pituitary glands. if you were to run blood work you would notice your LH and FSh will drop on hcg for that reason. you want those hormones to go UP, not down during pct.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Steve does an excellent job explaining the science behind HCG. Personally I do not use it at all. It makes no sense when you are trying to recover. During the cycle if you were overly concerned about your balls shrinking then just use a natural product like HCGenerate to keep them normal size. Most people really don't care if their nuts shrink a bit. They bounce back after the cycle.

 

[upl101]

Wow.
So obviously hcg mimics LH but it actually does not allow for your natural LH so bounce back up?

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When you research about it, there is mixed opinions on the fact that it mimics LH and by doing this your brain signals to produce NATURAL LH...
why is there so much confusion on this topic.

I agree with you steve, you answer sounds about right.

 

[Nac]

If your HPTA is still responsive at the end of your cycle, nothing will get GnRH/LH cranking again like 25-50mg /d clomifene/enclomifene. Hell, using clomid on-cycle would potentially have better outcomes than hCG (unless youre running a 19nor).

 

[Eddie Haskell]

hcg will plump up your balls, because it mimics LH. the problem is it also suppresses your pituitary glands. if you were to run blood work you would notice your LH and FSh will drop on hcg for that reason. you want those hormones to go UP, not down during pct.

I run a blood panel immediately following each and every PCT, and my LH and FSH have always been higher relative to where they were at the halfway point of each cycle. So I still haven't bought into the HCG-is-bad-for-you routine.

 

[Bren_87]

You can't actually use clomid on cycle tho, I've read the estrogen levels will crash below base line which isn't good for us as we need a certain amount for certain bodily functions in the heart, brain and bone density too. But there's so much conflicting information about it's hard to know anything for sure, blood work and trial and error I suppose.

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You can't actually use clomid on cycle tho, I've read the estrogen levels will crash below base line which isn't good for us as we need a certain amount for certain bodily functions in the heart, brain and bone density too. But there's so much conflicting information about it's hard to know anything for sure, blood work and trial and error I suppose.