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Heavy Oral Cycle of SARMS & AAS

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I am just throwing this out here because I got little wild with the orals this cycle and I have run a long cycle. Ran labs before and just a week ago at week 15. Below is a copy and past from what I posted to a guy on redit. Feel free to shit on me for being dumb but I have monitored my labs and sides and this is not my first cycle. I have fun 5 SARM only stacked cycles previously and this time threw.in some AAS's to compare. I didn't take before pics but I started at 228 lbs with about 18-20% body fat, a little chunky. And push up to consistent 232-234 lbs weighing daily same time in afternoon at the beginning of my workouts. And my body fat dropped to 14-15%. All and all it wasn't a bad cycle and I was a little more full with the anadrol in the cycle but definitely felt like I was more wet and not quite as hard and veiny as when I am without it. Dide on reddit was asking about experince with longer oral cycles. EXCERPT FROM MY REDDIT RESPONSE:
"Just check your blood work at 8 weeks or 12 weeks and see how you feel. I am on trt so shutting down doesn't make any difference to me. You can always grab some clomid or hcg or kisspeptin 10 to keep the faucet on. The other thing to keep an eye on is making sure you run some BPC157 and tb500 periodically. If I am going to run a long cycle I will use bpc and tb from around 6 or 8 weeks on to improve my tissue, ligaments and tendons repair and recover to help avoid serious joint injury/pain as I push my strength up and lift heavier. People say your strength is stuff will crash at week 12 but that's usually because they don't understand systemic fatigue and they are not training in 4-5 week blocks with a deload week between. If you do notice your strength decline drop your sets and reps in half for 4-6 days and then test again. If the strength curve has not rebounded then it's time to take a longer deload and drop your cycle for 4 weeks then test labs again. You won't need to worry so much about your organs like liver and kidneys if you just run proper support supplements like tudca, nutrissa cycle support and CoQ10. Honestly for me the hardest thing to manage is my elbows and knees with the repetitive heavy lifting for long durations. I am on like week 16 now running LGD 4033, RAD 140 then replaced with RAD150 at 4 weeks, mk677 for growth hormone, turinbol the whole time to check my shbg because I am also on 200 test a week, and I have been running Trestalone this cycle for the first time (which I like alot), I even threw in anadrol oral from about week 10 to week 15 which was my first cycle for that as well. On top of that I have been taking DIM and an AI to keep my estrogen conversion in check. Just did labs the day after I dropped the anadrol and they looked pretty dam good for such an oral heavy cycle. I mostly take the SARMS with the other orals because of the benefits to prostate and a few other things. My body tends to handle stuff pretty well though and I don't have a lot of sides. Liver enzymes were both just a little over the reference range at like 80 and 49 with the top of the reference being about 50... also I generally just have high in the reference range liver enzymes anyways and always have. Estradiol was low for me at 25 and shbg was at 12 with the bottom end of the range being 10. The only other thing that was high was creatinine but just barely and that's expected with all the creatine I take. I am probably just.going to lower my intake a bit and keep my trest and test and crude for recovery while I run a short 4 week cycle of semaglutide low dose to repair my liver because I find that it works very well to check both glucose down from the pre-diabetic threshold and brings my liver enzymes down as it repairs any fatty liver buildup."
 
I am just throwing this out here because I got little wild with the orals this cycle and I have run a long cycle. Ran labs before and just a week ago at week 15. Below is a copy and past from what I posted to a guy on redit. Feel free to shit on me for being dumb but I have monitored my labs and sides and this is not my first cycle. I have fun 5 SARM only stacked cycles previously and this time threw.in some AAS's to compare. I didn't take before pics but I started at 228 lbs with about 18-20% body fat, a little chunky. And push up to consistent 232-234 lbs weighing daily same time in afternoon at the beginning of my workouts. And my body fat dropped to 14-15%. All and all it wasn't a bad cycle and I was a little more full with the anadrol in the cycle but definitely felt like I was more wet and not quite as hard and veiny as when I am without it. Dide on reddit was asking about experince with longer oral cycles. EXCERPT FROM MY REDDIT RESPONSE:
"Just check your blood work at 8 weeks or 12 weeks and see how you feel. I am on trt so shutting down doesn't make any difference to me. You can always grab some clomid or hcg or kisspeptin 10 to keep the faucet on. The other thing to keep an eye on is making sure you run some BPC157 and tb500 periodically. If I am going to run a long cycle I will use bpc and tb from around 6 or 8 weeks on to improve my tissue, ligaments and tendons repair and recover to help avoid serious joint injury/pain as I push my strength up and lift heavier. People say your strength is stuff will crash at week 12 but that's usually because they don't understand systemic fatigue and they are not training in 4-5 week blocks with a deload week between. If you do notice your strength decline drop your sets and reps in half for 4-6 days and then test again. If the strength curve has not rebounded then it's time to take a longer deload and drop your cycle for 4 weeks then test labs again. You won't need to worry so much about your organs like liver and kidneys if you just run proper support supplements like tudca, nutrissa cycle support and CoQ10. Honestly for me the hardest thing to manage is my elbows and knees with the repetitive heavy lifting for long durations. I am on like week 16 now running LGD 4033, RAD 140 then replaced with RAD150 at 4 weeks, mk677 for growth hormone, turinbol the whole time to check my shbg because I am also on 200 test a week, and I have been running Trestalone this cycle for the first time (which I like alot), I even threw in anadrol oral from about week 10 to week 15 which was my first cycle for that as well. On top of that I have been taking DIM and an AI to keep my estrogen conversion in check. Just did labs the day after I dropped the anadrol and they looked pretty dam good for such an oral heavy cycle. I mostly take the SARMS with the other orals because of the benefits to prostate and a few other things. My body tends to handle stuff pretty well though and I don't have a lot of sides. Liver enzymes were both just a little over the reference range at like 80 and 49 with the top of the reference being about 50... also I generally just have high in the reference range liver enzymes anyways and always have. Estradiol was low for me at 25 and shbg was at 12 with the bottom end of the range being 10. The only other thing that was high was creatinine but just barely and that's expected with all the creatine I take. I am probably just.going to lower my intake a bit and keep my trest and test and crude for recovery while I run a short 4 week cycle of semaglutide low dose to repair my liver because I find that it works very well to check both glucose down from the pre-diabetic threshold and brings my liver enzymes down as it repairs any fatty liver buildup."
So what are you looking for? You didn’t post any actual bloodwork or pics. What is the point of this thread?
 
I am just throwing this out here because I got little wild with the orals this cycle and I have run a long cycle. Ran labs before and just a week ago at week 15. Below is a copy and past from what I posted to a guy on redit. Feel free to shit on me for being dumb but I have monitored my labs and sides and this is not my first cycle. I have fun 5 SARM only stacked cycles previously and this time threw.in some AAS's to compare. I didn't take before pics but I started at 228 lbs with about 18-20% body fat, a little chunky. And push up to consistent 232-234 lbs weighing daily same time in afternoon at the beginning of my workouts. And my body fat dropped to 14-15%. All and all it wasn't a bad cycle and I was a little more full with the anadrol in the cycle but definitely felt like I was more wet and not quite as hard and veiny as when I am without it. Dide on reddit was asking about experince with longer oral cycles. EXCERPT FROM MY REDDIT RESPONSE:
"Just check your blood work at 8 weeks or 12 weeks and see how you feel. I am on trt so shutting down doesn't make any difference to me. You can always grab some clomid or hcg or kisspeptin 10 to keep the faucet on. The other thing to keep an eye on is making sure you run some BPC157 and tb500 periodically. If I am going to run a long cycle I will use bpc and tb from around 6 or 8 weeks on to improve my tissue, ligaments and tendons repair and recover to help avoid serious joint injury/pain as I push my strength up and lift heavier. People say your strength is stuff will crash at week 12 but that's usually because they don't understand systemic fatigue and they are not training in 4-5 week blocks with a deload week between. If you do notice your strength decline drop your sets and reps in half for 4-6 days and then test again. If the strength curve has not rebounded then it's time to take a longer deload and drop your cycle for 4 weeks then test labs again. You won't need to worry so much about your organs like liver and kidneys if you just run proper support supplements like tudca, nutrissa cycle support and CoQ10. Honestly for me the hardest thing to manage is my elbows and knees with the repetitive heavy lifting for long durations. I am on like week 16 now running LGD 4033, RAD 140 then replaced with RAD150 at 4 weeks, mk677 for growth hormone, turinbol the whole time to check my shbg because I am also on 200 test a week, and I have been running Trestalone this cycle for the first time (which I like alot), I even threw in anadrol oral from about week 10 to week 15 which was my first cycle for that as well. On top of that I have been taking DIM and an AI to keep my estrogen conversion in check. Just did labs the day after I dropped the anadrol and they looked pretty dam good for such an oral heavy cycle. I mostly take the SARMS with the other orals because of the benefits to prostate and a few other things. My body tends to handle stuff pretty well though and I don't have a lot of sides. Liver enzymes were both just a little over the reference range at like 80 and 49 with the top of the reference being about 50... also I generally just have high in the reference range liver enzymes anyways and always have. Estradiol was low for me at 25 and shbg was at 12 with the bottom end of the range being 10. The only other thing that was high was creatinine but just barely and that's expected with all the creatine I take. I am probably just.going to lower my intake a bit and keep my trest and test and crude for recovery while I run a short 4 week cycle of semaglutide low dose to repair my liver because I find that it works very well to check both glucose down from the pre-diabetic threshold and brings my liver enzymes down as it repairs any fatty liver buildup."
@BGR39 welcome to the EVO family man :) I don't like reddit personally because a) its full of liars b) its full of bots c) they ban you for free speech d) they arent experts like we are

My take is I dont have any issues with you taking 5 sarms or any amount of sarms or steroids within reason if you monitor yourself and control the situation.
We are not your parents, we can guide you but we cant force you right man :)

so if you want actual feedback from us, we are NOT reddit, we need you to start a NEW thread with your LOG journal, tell us about your sarms aas cycles, your diet your training your cardio and history in the log and we can help you and guide you as a community

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
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Yeah I have been learning as I go. I have run enough sarm cycles to pretty much know how I like them. I am starting the learning curve with AAS's now with this cycle. I am 40 in July. I have a long history of athletics then Air Assault in the military. Got out when I was 21 and did parkour for a number of years into my later 20's when I broke a bone in my wrist that doesn't heal and wore my knees out. I started seriously lifting in like 2018. All natural for 2 years amd cut about 50 lbs of fat i had put on after i started a family at 30. Cut from 234 to 188 in pretty good shape and started bulking up to about 202 before I was diagnosed with hypogonadism and started trt. Jumped pretty quick from 200 to 212 on trt then went from 212 to 218 while dropping some body fat with my first sarm cycle and have been pushing up a little at a time with my proceeding 3 or 4 cycles. My gains have slowed considerably at this point but I still get good results. I keep a log because I use the RP Hypertrophy App. I run my training a little different from one 4-5 week blocks to the next with deprioritizing certain muscle groups to bring up others as i feel I need to. I would not mind some advice on best stacks with AAS to balance each other out. I have tried the harder anadrol oral and the less harsh turinabol. Anadrol was OK but I think I can find better options for the liver toxicity. I am keeping my dosing of everything in a moderate level not going too crazy but I am stacking a lot if competing things so I will probably like to tone that down on my next cycle. I like trest and I am going to keep it as a sub for my test as a more perm thing with still doing like 100 a week test for normal estrogen conversion since trest seems to aromatize differently. I did order some clomid because I like to keep my ball function and its.just a chore using subq hcg and kisspeptin which I have been doing for years... it is also fairly expensive. Not sure what else I might want to stack. I pretty much also run mk677 and when I am on cycle I like lgd and rad150 a lot for the combination of fullness and hardness that I get. I always try to run cardarine or super cardarine when on cycle. I really have to start tracking my calorie input better because I would like to peak at 7-8% and do a body building show on my next cycle just to see how I fair and check it off m6 bucket list at least. Any advice on cycle would be great. I will have to start using a diet tracker for my fat loss. I need to get down another 2% body fat or so in the next 4 weeks then hold that until I start my next.cycle so that the cut to 7-8% is not terribly taxing and I can retain muscle or even still put on a bit as I am conditioning. I am by no means an expert at body building but pretty experienced at training this way and I definitely know dick about competition prep.
 
you should write books wow

my advice is simple

get a log going, start with your pics, diet and training

we will get you molded from there once we learn about you
 
Yeah I have been learning as I go. I have run enough sarm cycles to pretty much know how I like them. I am starting the learning curve with AAS's now with this cycle. I am 40 in July. I have a long history of athletics then Air Assault in the military. Got out when I was 21 and did parkour for a number of years into my later 20's when I broke a bone in my wrist that doesn't heal and wore my knees out. I started seriously lifting in like 2018. All natural for 2 years amd cut about 50 lbs of fat i had put on after i started a family at 30. Cut from 234 to 188 in pretty good shape and started bulking up to about 202 before I was diagnosed with hypogonadism and started trt. Jumped pretty quick from 200 to 212 on trt then went from 212 to 218 while dropping some body fat with my first sarm cycle and have been pushing up a little at a time with my proceeding 3 or 4 cycles. My gains have slowed considerably at this point but I still get good results. I keep a log because I use the RP Hypertrophy App. I run my training a little different from one 4-5 week blocks to the next with deprioritizing certain muscle groups to bring up others as i feel I need to. I would not mind some advice on best stacks with AAS to balance each other out. I have tried the harder anadrol oral and the less harsh turinabol. Anadrol was OK but I think I can find better options for the liver toxicity. I am keeping my dosing of everything in a moderate level not going too crazy but I am stacking a lot if competing things so I will probably like to tone that down on my next cycle. I like trest and I am going to keep it as a sub for my test as a more perm thing with still doing like 100 a week test for normal estrogen conversion since trest seems to aromatize differently. I did order some clomid because I like to keep my ball function and its.just a chore using subq hcg and kisspeptin which I have been doing for years... it is also fairly expensive. Not sure what else I might want to stack. I pretty much also run mk677 and when I am on cycle I like lgd and rad150 a lot for the combination of fullness and hardness that I get. I always try to run cardarine or super cardarine when on cycle. I really have to start tracking my calorie input better because I would like to peak at 7-8% and do a body building show on my next cycle just to see how I fair and check it off m6 bucket list at least. Any advice on cycle would be great. I will have to start using a diet tracker for my fat loss. I need to get down another 2% body fat or so in the next 4 weeks then hold that until I start my next.cycle so that the cut to 7-8% is not terribly taxing and I can retain muscle or even still put on a bit as I am conditioning. I am by no means an expert at body building but pretty experienced at training this way and I definitely know dick about competition prep.
@BGR39 since you got a log, we need to see your LOG up, post it up

i just gave you directions how
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/heavy-oral-cycle-of-sarms-aas.99552/post-1543887

start now asap
 
reddit is OKAY. its better then other platforms
but its not ideal to get proper info
 
Definitely post up a log
this is going to help you get the most out of your cycle
 
I think you have the potential to have an awesome log
you sure do enjoy writing that's for sure
 
you will be fine using the cycle you outlined
here from here a log is going to give you the best information and help us help you
 
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definitely a log Journal candidate right here
plus you like riding already so it's perfect
 
Bro start a log, the community here is very supportive we all want to see you succeed 💪
 
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