High Estrogen on 200 mg Test—Need Help with Upcoming Cycle Adjustments

[dylangemelli]

your triglycerides are high as well and need to come down... diet plays a large role on cholesterol numbers as well.. what kind of supplements are you taking? Yes, your estrogen absolutely needs to come down.. the supplement DIM will help as a natural supplement but its clear you need to address it with it an AI... keep in mind a few things with hcg.. it can increase estrogen and if you are under the impression hcg alone is going to help fertility you are heavily mistaken... hcg is a small part of a fertility protocol but the amount you are taking would be far insufficient in that protocol and as i said, its a very minor piece to that equation, where HMG is the key along with clomd and then hcg... hcg is very unnecessary and often very misused.. you DO NOT need 200 mg of test for a trt dose.. thats for people with sever hypogonadal conditions... your test levels are too high to constantly be at.. 600-650 is a great number that is healthy to be at... 150 mg of test for you per week would be plenty if this is a trt dose we are talking about...

 

[RoySimpson]

Make sure you do your research before doing a cycle!!

 

[Enhancedguy]

@Enhancedguy can you please post your labs with ranges too, that would help to see original labs

and hows the log? i see you updating , would like to see you play the old log into the new one
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ionate-primobolan-and-anavar-cycle-log.99233/

q/a
if you feel no e2 doesnt mean your body is not feeling it, high e2 causes long term damage to organs.
1) you should use Ai aromasin eod to get e2 down
2) hard to say, a lot of RBC related bloods like hemo etc are diet related, quiet a bit, we would need to load balance that
3) is this cycle test/mast/var yours? or your coach? thats a different approach
if yours we can cut it down a bit, if from coach its a bit harder as you not getting 1 set of directions

1) you should use Ai aromasin eod to get e2 down

How much aromasin a day?

2) hard to say, a lot of RBC related bloods like hemo etc are diet related, quiet a bit, we would need to load balance that

I just started adding more omega 3s

3) is this cycle test/mast/var yours? or your coach? thats a different approach
if yours we can cut it down a bit, if from coach its a bit harder as you not getting 1 set of directions

My coach is just a friend of mine. He's an experienced bodybuilder he just gives me advice. I've been running 200mg for awhile now.. But I don't like my results and I wanted to look better so added mast and var myself which he said is cool. I'm open to advice

 

[Enhancedguy]

sometimes people are against using an AI because they want you to gain a lot of weight
this way you hire them again

Aromasin eod cool?

 

[Mobster]

Sorry don't understand tor question

Are using 200mg a week (it's similar to a TRT dose) as an actual cycle or a regular TRT dose/

 

[Enhancedguy]

1 of the big problems with estrogen is the water retention
you you'll end up looking like a bloated fish

I mean I'm not as lean as I hoped to be... But I don't feel bloated.

 

[Enhancedguy]

Are using 200mg a week (it's similar to a TRT dose) as an actual cycle or a regular TRT dose/

Been running 200mg as trt. I just added on some mast and var after getting these labs.

 

[Mobster]

As a side issue take care it doesn't become a case of too many cooks etc. You HAVE a coach (even if it is a buddy) AND input from here. It'll be on you to take which is the best advice. If I had a coach I ought to be using their advice first. Very much a case of trusting anyone I chose and or am paying. Obviously we're here trying to help.

 

[Enhancedguy]

As a side issue take care it doesn't become a case of too many cooks etc. You HAVE a coach (even if it is a buddy) AND input from here. It'll be on you to take which is the best advice. If I had a coach I ought to be using their advice first. Very much a case of trusting anyone I chose and or am paying. Obviously we're here trying to help.

I listen to him, but I also like to do research and speak to other seasoned guys as well to get their input there's nothing wrong with that. And he knows I ask on the forums. Not one single person has all the answers.

 

[Mobster]

Been running 200mg as trt. I just added on some mast and var after getting these labs.

But also, as you said above, as you wasn't seeing what you wanted from the 200mg.

I'll clarify a point which a few confuse. TRT is NOT what those who genuinely need it (the original use) take for how their gains etc in the gym are. Its become that. It ought to be used to replace a drop off in natural test levels (It's why I started a few weeks ago). TRT will, for want of a better phrase, maintain you as you are.

Arguably your adding the Mast and Var is NOW you on cycle.

 

[Mobster]

I listen to him, but I also like to do research and speak to other seasoned guys as well to get their input there's nothing wrong with that. And he knows I ask on the forums. Not one single person has all the answers.

Indeed. But don't let it muddle you so much as to make it more confusing and not less.

 

[Enhancedguy]

But also, as you said above, as you wasn't seeing what you wanted from the 200mg.

I'll clarify a point which a few confuse. TRT is NOT what those who genuinely need it (the original use) take for how their gains etc in the gym are. Its become that. It ought to be used to replace a drop off in natural test levels (It's why I started a few weeks ago). TRT will, for want of a better phrase, maintain you as you are.

Arguably your adding the Mast and Var is NOW you on cycle.

Yes I understand this...

 

[Enhancedguy]

your triglycerides are high as well and need to come down... diet plays a large role on cholesterol numbers as well.. what kind of supplements are you taking? Yes, your estrogen absolutely needs to come down.. the supplement DIM will help as a natural supplement but its clear you need to address it with it an AI... keep in mind a few things with hcg.. it can increase estrogen and if you are under the impression hcg alone is going to help fertility you are heavily mistaken... hcg is a small part of a fertility protocol but the amount you are taking would be far insufficient in that protocol and as i said, its a very minor piece to that equation, where HMG is the key along with clomd and then hcg... hcg is very unnecessary and often very misused.. you DO NOT need 200 mg of test for a trt dose.. thats for people with sever hypogonadal conditions... your test levels are too high to constantly be at.. 600-650 is a great number that is healthy to be at... 150 mg of test for you per week would be plenty if this is a trt dose we are talking about...

Thank you for the response. You're right. Maybe I should be on a lower dose. I was hoping to have higher t levels but long term the range you speak is better for health.

Maybe for this 200 cyp 300 mast and 40 cycle I just run aramosin for 10 to 12 weeks. Then drop down to 150 as you speak. What do you think of this?

As far as triglycerides I added 6000mg omega 3s a day. Anything else you suggest?

 

[Enhancedguy]

FULL LAB SUMMARY
Excluding free test and cystatin c.... Still pending.

 

[Mobster]

Just back from my steps. Had the same thought re reducing the TRT. The original typical dose was circa 120mg. Baring in mind I'm also on 200mg even I said a couple of weeks ago I might wanna drop that down a bit (it took a while to get used to how I felt on it).

We also did a recent podcast on blood tests: https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

 

[dylangemelli]

Thank you for the response. You're right. Maybe I should be on a lower dose. I was hoping to have higher t levels but long term the range you speak is better for health.

Maybe for this 200 cyp 300 mast and 40 cycle I just run aramosin for 10 to 12 weeks. Then drop down to 150 as you speak. What do you think of this?

As far as triglycerides I added 6000mg omega 3s a day. Anything else you suggest?

thats not going to make any big difference on your triglycerides.. do you have a history of them being high?

your dosing is all up to you but from a health stand point, 200 is CLEARLY far too high to be on year round for you

 

[25homes]

Aromasin

 

[LevButlerov]

1) you should use Ai aromasin eod to get e2 down

How much aromasin a day?

2) hard to say, a lot of RBC related bloods like hemo etc are diet related, quiet a bit, we would need to load balance that

I just started adding more omega 3s

3) is this cycle test/mast/var yours? or your coach? thats a different approach
if yours we can cut it down a bit, if from coach its a bit harder as you not getting 1 set of directions

My coach is just a friend of mine. He's an experienced bodybuilder he just gives me advice. I've been running 200mg for awhile now.. But I don't like my results and I wanted to look better so added mast and var myself which he said is cool. I'm open to advice

@Enhancedguy we need to check in detail to be fair.

1) whats your test intake now? e2 control is very subjective
you can start with 10mgs aromasin EOD to start

2) adding more omega 3 is not clear that will help, what about overall diet you have?

3) adding more gear wont make you look better honestly, its diet training thats they key

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

keep an eye on estrogen levels and keep levels under control........

 

[Enhancedguy]

sometimes people are against using an AI because they want you to gain a lot of weight
this way you hire them again

Interesting by coach advised Aromasin

Aromasin

What do you recommend as dosing and frequency?