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[Rjs725]

Wondering the same Xeno. In the past I would heat brews probably hotter than I would have liked in order to get the hormone to dissolve quicker, but these days I use as little heat as possible. I figure if I don't use too much heat, I don't even have to worry about the chemical structure changing.

 

[Xeno Pharmaceuticals]

Wondering the same Xeno. In the past I would heat brews probably hotter than I would have liked in order to get the hormone to dissolve quicker, but these days I use as little heat as possible. I figure if I don't use too much heat, I don't even have to worry about the chemical structure changing.

Normally I do as well but I'm interested because it becomes very crash resistant when heated to its melting point.

 

[enrod]

Normally I do as well but I'm interested because it becomes very crash resistant when heated to its melting point.

You are potentially changing the chemical structure, as heating it beyond melting will change the structure from a solid to a gas. I may be oversimplifying, but I would imagine you don't want ANY of your hormone escaping as a gas during your brew.


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[Xeno Pharmaceuticals]

You are potentially changing the chemical structure, as heating it beyond melting will change the structure from a solid to a gas. I may be oversimplifying, but I would imagine you don't want ANY of your hormone escaping as a gas during your brew.


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I'm heating it to the exact melting point. To induce a change in form from liquid to gas requires temperatures approaching 400 degrees for testosterone propionate. Not to mention liquid to gas is a physical change. The issue lies in if whether applying 250 degrees of heat will cause a chemical reaction between testosterone propionate and air (oxidizing) or the BA and BB in the solution.

 

[bonacris]

I use the bare minimum to heat. I feel if the raws are reasonably pure there will dissolve pretty quick over low heat. Also I don't try make any crazy high concentrations. I stick to what I know works an don't have an issue

 

[enrod]

I'm heating it to the exact melting point. To induce a change in form from liquid to gas requires temperatures approaching 400 degrees for testosterone propionate. Not to mention liquid to gas is a physical change. The issue lies in if whether applying 250 degrees of heat will cause a chemical reaction between testosterone propionate and air (oxidizing) or the BA and BB in the solution.

Then theoretically there should be no matter loss, or potency loss for that matter.


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[Xeno Pharmaceuticals]

Then theoretically there should be no matter loss, or potency loss for that matter.


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Well the oil and solvents will not evaporate at 250, My only concern is altering the chemical structure through a chemical reaction with the air or solvents. Ive done some more reading and based off personal experiences it seems heating to melting point does not cause an adverse reaction reducing the potency. I pinned some of the experiment test prop, its only been about 18 hours and morning wood/energy levels are markedly improved. Will get bloods to confirm equal potency in three days.

 

[adammac]

I posted this in the trading thread but will anyone sell me about 10 rubber stops for 10ml vial? Im in a bind and wont get my supplies in time

 

[manzach123]

I posted this in the trading thread but will anyone sell me about 10 rubber stops for 10ml vial? Im in a bind and wont get my supplies in time

why not just get some off of medlabsupply You can get a 100 pack including stoppers, vials, and flip caps for $62 CAD.

http://www.medlabsupply.ca/collecti...ee-shipping-free-rubber-stopper-free-flip-top

 

[domestichgh]

What's going on here? How can I help?

 

[enrod]

I have a question. I attempted to make liquid orals with ora-plus, but it ended up being very powdery - the powders did not dissolve in the vehicle as I expected.

What did I do wrong? How can I make a liquid oral and it not have a bunch of floating powder particles? Should the powder have been dissolved with heat first?


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[wowstrongarms]

I have a question. I attempted to make liquid orals with ora-plus, but it ended up being very powdery - the powders did not dissolve in the vehicle as I expected.

What did I do wrong? How can I make a liquid oral and it not have a bunch of floating powder particles? Should the powder have been dissolved with heat first?


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Ora plus suspends stuff, it doesn't make a solution....Gonna need alcohol for a solution

 

[enrod]

Ora plus suspends stuff, it doesn't make a solution....Gonna need alcohol for a solution

So heat the powder in alcohol then combine with ora plus?


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[wowstrongarms]

So heat the powder in alcohol then combine with ora plus?


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I wouldn't bother with heating personally. I'd just grab some ever clear and toss it in that myself. You are only gonna be drinking like a ml at a time, really not that bad

 

[adammac]

why not just get some off of medlabsupply You can get a 100 pack including stoppers, vials, and flip caps for $62 CAD.

http://www.medlabsupply.ca/collecti...ee-shipping-free-rubber-stopper-free-flip-top

yea see i already have some comin but wont be here til thursday and i have a close friend i have to help andneed some before they come in, just seeing if anyone could help me out ill pay cash or whatever

 

[enrod]

I wouldn't bother with heating personally. I'd just grab some ever clear and toss it in that myself. You are only gonna be drinking like a ml at a time, really not that bad

Thanks man. How much alcohol % in the mix do you generally need to create a solution?

 

[wowstrongarms]

Thanks man. How much alcohol % in the mix do you generally need to create a solution?

I use 100% ever clear or vodka depending on what you are trying to make up. Some things will do fine in vodka, most need ever clear though

 

[Mrsurgeon28]

I use 100% ever clear or vodka depending on what you are trying to make up. Some things will do fine in vodka, most need ever clear though

No you also need PEG300
And you need your ratios correct so you know how much your actually dosing it to...


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[wowstrongarms]

No you also need PEG300
And you need your ratios correct so you know how much your actually dosing it to...


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You don't need PEG300, you don't even need alcohol. You could suspend it in some olive oil and just shake before use. The correct ratio of powder to liquid is kind of a given here.....

 

[caveman72]

I need some help if I buy ten grams of methyl drostanaline s.drol.I want to make it 10 mg a mill. how much 151 or grain do I use and how big of a container to mix in. I'll put in bottles later
just would appreciate if anybody's converted oral raw to liquid. to help thanks

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