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MrPillowPantz

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Im a 34 y/o male. 6 ft tall. currently 249lbs. 21% Body fat. I started at 315lbs @ 36% BF. I found some motivation back in Dec of '22 and built a home gym and started going to town on working out. After experimenting with some SARMs, my buddy quickly got me on Test. That lead into my first cycle in Jan. I was really reckless now looking back. I cycled Test and Tren for 8 weeks. Then started Clenbuterol after. After about month I started on a huge ( to me) cycle:

750 Test Sus/week ( 15 weeks)
600 Tren A/ week ( 15 weeks)
400 Primo/week ( 15 weeks)
100 mg oral Winny (60 days)
120mcg Clen oral (2 weeks on weeks off)

I went to 23% BF and had MASSIVE gains. I got off since I hurt my elbow. Thats been 2 months ago. Elbow is healed up and Im lifting again heavy. Still satying around 21% BF and not as lean as on cycle but looking good. Im wanting to get back on but I have some questions. I had a shitty PCT getting off. I took Nova ( 3 weeks) and Clomid ( 3 weeks) HCGenerate from N2G as well. I didnt know what I was doing and kinda winged it.

My question is this. I feel like that cycle I was on, worked really well for me. Alot of pinning and orals but I felt great and my blood work came back fine mid cycle for all my organs. I want to start the same cycle in Nov. My diet is on point and I track all my macros easily.

What do you think of this cycle, what would you change, whats the best PCT for this? Positive advice is greatly appreciated.
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I’d drop the Winstrol, change the tren to E from A, and lower it to about 100 mg/wk. Then if you feel you need more total load, increase test or primo. In studies it seems that most of the magic of tren, which is due to its immense anti-catabolic properties, maxes out at about 100 mg/wk, and then after that it’s just extra side effects.

I’m glad your bloods looked good, but being on that much gear, and especially that much tren and winny, is a fast ride to a shortened life.

ETA: that’s also a lot of fucking clen. Think about using half as much with a little yohimbine and caffeine in order to get more out of less overall stress.
 
I’d drop the Winstrol, change the tren to E from A, and lower it to about 100 mg/wk. Then if you feel you need more total load, increase test or primo. In studies it seems that most of the magic of tren, which is due to its immense anti-catabolic properties, maxes out at about 100 mg/wk, and then after that it’s just extra side effects.

I’m glad your bloods looked good, but being on that much gear, and especially that much tren and winny, is a fast ride to a shortened life.

ETA: that’s also a lot of fucking clen. Think about using half as much with a little yohimbine and caffeine in order to get more out of less overall stress.
Last time I took Tren E, I had a bad reaction to it. Maybe a bad batch. The Clen, I went up till I couldnt handle the sides anymore and stayed there. @140 I was shaking so bad I couldnt write.

I will deff look at this though. Im 2 months out from starting rn. Trying to get a good feedback! Thank you for the help!
 
If you handle A better than E, stick with A. I was just thinking of it from matching ester lengths to the test and primo. It’s not really important, though. Just remember, it’s a marathon, not a sprint. You don’t get that much more from increasing dosages above what you currently require to get results. Save the high dosages for when you can’t make big gains on lower ones.
 
Im a 34 y/o male. 6 ft tall. currently 249lbs. 21% Body fat. I started at 315lbs @ 36% BF. I found some motivation back in Dec of '22 and built a home gym and started going to town on working out. After experimenting with some SARMs, my buddy quickly got me on Test. That lead into my first cycle in Jan. I was really reckless now looking back. I cycled Test and Tren for 8 weeks. Then started Clenbuterol after. After about month I started on a huge ( to me) cycle:

750 Test Sus/week ( 15 weeks)
600 Tren A/ week ( 15 weeks)
400 Primo/week ( 15 weeks)
100 mg oral Winny (60 days)
120mcg Clen oral (2 weeks on weeks off)

I went to 23% BF and had MASSIVE gains. I got off since I hurt my elbow. Thats been 2 months ago. Elbow is healed up and Im lifting again heavy. Still satying around 21% BF and not as lean as on cycle but looking good. Im wanting to get back on but I have some questions. I had a shitty PCT getting off. I took Nova ( 3 weeks) and Clomid ( 3 weeks) HCGenerate from N2G as well. I didnt know what I was doing and kinda winged it.

My question is this. I feel like that cycle I was on, worked really well for me. Alot of pinning and orals but I felt great and my blood work came back fine mid cycle for all my organs. I want to start the same cycle in Nov. My diet is on point and I track all my macros easily.

What do you think of this cycle, what would you change, whats the best PCT for this? Positive advice is greatly appreciated. View attachment 15622View attachment 15623View attachment 15624
@MrPillowPantz welcome to the evolutionary.org family! we are happy to have you here. Your transformation is amazing and shows real progress.

Though your cycle needs a bit of work and we need to know more about you as you prep for the cycle, later in my post ~~

Let's change up your cycle, with androgens and steroids in general, there is a peak point where, if your muscle size is not huge, you won't get the added benefit, example 500mgs of testosterone will give you pretty much the same results as 750mgs at your size and experience (same for trenbolone etc). Now, if you were a professional bodybuilder it would be a different story.

Also, primobolan can't be felt with trenbolone in the cycle, so if you want to keep it as a mild anti-estrogen thats fine but wont do much more.
lastly, clenbuterol can cause heart damage if you go above 100mcg, so stay below 60mcg.

Your current suggested cycle:
750 Test Sus/week ( 15 weeks)
600 Tren A/ week ( 15 weeks)
400 Primo/week ( 15 weeks)
100 mg oral Winny (60 days)
120mcg Clen oral (2 weeks on weeks off)
My redo;
Week 1-16
-main cycle
500mgs testosterone enanthate/week
400mgs trenbolone acetate/week
200mgs primobolan/week
50mgs winstrol/day (week 1-8)
60mcg clenbuterol/day (2 days on, 2 days off, NOT weeks)
-ancillaries
7caps n2guard/day (organ liver support)
10mgs aromasin/day (anti estrogen Ai)
20mgs cardarine gw/day (anti trenbolone sides)
0.25mgs dostinex/week (wed dose, anti prolactin tren sides)

PCT would be 8 weeks
week 1-2 hcg 500 ius ed then drop
aromasin 5mgs eod then drop
week 1-8
nolvadex 60/60/40/40/20/10/10/10
clomid 50/25/25/25/12.5
hcgenerate 5 caps ed
n2guard 3 caps ed

@MrPillowPantz while the cycle above is based on your last cycle it's NOT a factual cycle since we know next to nothing about you, your diet training cardio supplements etc. before you even start the cycle you need to share your LOG with us.

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone trenbolone winstrol cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2023-2024-bulk-log.89292/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/princedaddy-2023-log-here-we-go-again.87659/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-cycle-training-log.86383/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dozers-journey-to-the-stage-and-cycle.84184/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-time-tren-log.87653/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-anavar-rad140-cardarine-cycle-log.86174/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/contest-peak-cycle-this-year.85007/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/new-cycle.84662/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/summer-bulking-cycle.85543/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/lefr34ks-training-log.85141/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsys-training-log.83248/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/echos-hgh-log-and-cycle.85429/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log.85538/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
 
your transformation is amazing and respected
I've trained guy like you and got same results with less gear
but lets talk reality, reality is we need your LOG journal to guide you so start it up please
 
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i've done bigger cycles but i'm a pro you can do better imo but first
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@MrPillowPantz welcome to the evolutionary.org family! we are happy to have you here. Your transformation is amazing and shows real progress.

Though your cycle needs a bit of work and we need to know more about you as you prep for the cycle, later in my post ~~

Let's change up your cycle, with androgens and steroids in general, there is a peak point where, if your muscle size is not huge, you won't get the added benefit, example 500mgs of testosterone will give you pretty much the same results as 750mgs at your size and experience (same for trenbolone etc). Now, if you were a professional bodybuilder it would be a different story.

Also, primobolan can't be felt with trenbolone in the cycle, so if you want to keep it as a mild anti-estrogen thats fine but wont do much more.
lastly, clenbuterol can cause heart damage if you go above 100mcg, so stay below 60mcg.

Your current suggested cycle:

My redo;
Week 1-16
-main cycle
500mgs testosterone enanthate/week
400mgs trenbolone acetate/week
200mgs primobolan/week
50mgs winstrol/day (week 1-8)
60mcg clenbuterol/day (2 days on, 2 days off, NOT weeks)
-ancillaries
7caps n2guard/day (organ liver support)
10mgs aromasin/day (anti estrogen Ai)
20mgs cardarine gw/day (anti trenbolone sides)
0.25mgs dostinex/week (wed dose, anti prolactin tren sides)

PCT would be 8 weeks
week 1-2 hcg 500 ius ed then drop
aromasin 5mgs eod then drop
week 1-8
nolvadex 60/60/40/40/20/10/10/10
clomid 50/25/25/25/12.5
hcgenerate 5 caps ed
n2guard 3 caps ed

@MrPillowPantz while the cycle above is based on your last cycle it's NOT a factual cycle since we know next to nothing about you, your diet training cardio supplements etc. before you even start the cycle you need to share your LOG with us.

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone trenbolone winstrol cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2023-2024-bulk-log.89292/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/princedaddy-2023-log-here-we-go-again.87659/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-cycle-training-log.86383/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dozers-journey-to-the-stage-and-cycle.84184/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-time-tren-log.87653/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-anavar-rad140-cardarine-cycle-log.86174/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/contest-peak-cycle-this-year.85007/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/new-cycle.84662/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/summer-bulking-cycle.85543/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/lefr34ks-training-log.85141/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsys-training-log.83248/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/echos-hgh-log-and-cycle.85429/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log.85538/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
Im going to start right now! Thank you for the help! Thank you everybody for this. I was 100% expecting to get absolutely roasted today and this really builds me up. Everyone that replied!
 
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