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You are Correct in that it Depends on what AAS you were doing, as well as the Length of Time.
However, there is a Supplement that you can take, that will help to Clean your Androgen Receptors.
L-Carnitine L-Tartrate has been proven to do just that in as little as 3 Weeks, although I'm Running it right now with my Cycle...................... JP
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16826026
However, there is a Supplement that you can take, that will help to Clean your Androgen Receptors.
L-Carnitine L-Tartrate has been proven to do just that in as little as 3 Weeks, although I'm Running it right now with my Cycle...................... JP
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16826026
snackmachine
New Member
Yeah what he said - so you thing receptors are like carburetors or something? Cleared of what?
snackmachine
New Member
I found this on the internet:
"Your body accommodates excess testosterone by creating more receptor sites...there is no such thing as downgraded receptor sites or a real need for sites to be cleared or cleaned...Once the testosterone molecule fits into an aas site it delivers it's message and moves on to other sites and it eventually hits the toilet...science has proven that".
My point is that it is controversial - IDK for sure.
"Your body accommodates excess testosterone by creating more receptor sites...there is no such thing as downgraded receptor sites or a real need for sites to be cleared or cleaned...Once the testosterone molecule fits into an aas site it delivers it's message and moves on to other sites and it eventually hits the toilet...science has proven that".
My point is that it is controversial - IDK for sure.
he might mean when esters clear out of the body or when the compound will not be detectable anymore.. who knows.
there are a lot of terms bantered on forums.. another one I hear is 'shutdown'.. what does that mean exactly? why not just come out and say "hey my dick doesn't work" instead of saying "I'm shutdown"
El Hefe
Growing Brother
If thats what he's referring to...
The study that most people refer to indicates that myostatin peaks at 8 weeks and then slowly returns to baseline by week 20.
Ok...so fill me in here. If thats the case, how is it that so many people( ESPECIALLY THE PROS we know that some people supposedly are genetic freaks ans have maybe a mutation that hinders myostatin from being a problem....BUT THAT IS A VERY VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE) are able to run these ridiculously long cycles and continuously make gains. These are my possible theories and please tell me what your thoughts are:
1) After 8 weeks they just keep UPPING THE DOSAGES. This would STILL not explain why they are able to still make gains because if Myostatin has peaked, WHY ARE THEY MAKIN GAINS REAGARDLESS. or
2) Myostatin is contingent ONLY ON THE COMPOUND YOUR RUNNING. Meaning, if you blast test at 500mg for 8 weeks your Myostatin might peak on that compound. BUT..maybe if you switch things up...maybe add some tren.....Myostatin can be taking to a whole new level. Still you would eventually peak out on this two if Myostain is a factor and would not be able to do it forever.
I even tested this. I just came off of a 5 month run and made most of my gains towards the end. What am I missing or all what is it that is FLAWED about the Myotatin theory?
BBBill
Proficient Brother
Here's a lesson about receptors in a broad range.
Certain steroid molecules remain active for several weeks, others metabolize into weaker, non-effective steroids after a couple of days in the system. The metabolites of nor-testosterone often stay in the body for up to a year. Eventually all these steroids are excreted in the urine.
Some steroids are much more effective than others at promoting anabolism or growth. Certain athletes also respond to pct better than others.
Not all steroids are created or act the same. Generally, the products which are highest in anabolic properties promote the most growth. Even though it is common to call drugs like anavar, winstrol, and Primobolan highly anabolic, that just means they are much more anabolic, then androgenic. The fact is that drugs like tren, anadrol, d-bol, and test are much more anabolic then the "highly anabolic" items but also highly androgenic.
Some drugs stay in a more receptive state in the blood. That is they remain in the bound or free form which is more likely to be picked up by the receptor site then The bound or inactive form. Drugs like Deca, Anadrol, Dianabol, Cypionate, sustanon, and paraBolan are believed to have a high level of uptake by receptor sites in most users as they remain in the free unbound state at a higher percentage than other items.
Steroids will act differently in each person.some athletes have an extremely high number of receptor sites at the muscle. This allows a great number of steroid molecules to bind and make the signal more dramatic. This may explain why certain lifters can take small dosages of anabolic steroids and grow nonstop. There are other athletes who have a low receptor population at the muscle cell which allows for only a minimal uptake even the most effective steroids. They could take high dosages of multiple steroids and rarely gain any muscle.
If a site is continually hit with the same steroid it suffers down regulation or attenuation which decreases receptor population concentration and sensitivity. When this happens not even mega dosages will be able to deliver the message to the muscle cells.
So there are many factors that affect your cell receptors but in general for every cycle length, I try to take three times the amount of time off. So for example, if you take a two month cycle you would take six months off.
Certain steroid molecules remain active for several weeks, others metabolize into weaker, non-effective steroids after a couple of days in the system. The metabolites of nor-testosterone often stay in the body for up to a year. Eventually all these steroids are excreted in the urine.
Some steroids are much more effective than others at promoting anabolism or growth. Certain athletes also respond to pct better than others.
Not all steroids are created or act the same. Generally, the products which are highest in anabolic properties promote the most growth. Even though it is common to call drugs like anavar, winstrol, and Primobolan highly anabolic, that just means they are much more anabolic, then androgenic. The fact is that drugs like tren, anadrol, d-bol, and test are much more anabolic then the "highly anabolic" items but also highly androgenic.
Some drugs stay in a more receptive state in the blood. That is they remain in the bound or free form which is more likely to be picked up by the receptor site then The bound or inactive form. Drugs like Deca, Anadrol, Dianabol, Cypionate, sustanon, and paraBolan are believed to have a high level of uptake by receptor sites in most users as they remain in the free unbound state at a higher percentage than other items.
Steroids will act differently in each person.some athletes have an extremely high number of receptor sites at the muscle. This allows a great number of steroid molecules to bind and make the signal more dramatic. This may explain why certain lifters can take small dosages of anabolic steroids and grow nonstop. There are other athletes who have a low receptor population at the muscle cell which allows for only a minimal uptake even the most effective steroids. They could take high dosages of multiple steroids and rarely gain any muscle.
If a site is continually hit with the same steroid it suffers down regulation or attenuation which decreases receptor population concentration and sensitivity. When this happens not even mega dosages will be able to deliver the message to the muscle cells.
So there are many factors that affect your cell receptors but in general for every cycle length, I try to take three times the amount of time off. So for example, if you take a two month cycle you would take six months off.
bulldog333
New member
JP you say that this supplement can help to clear the cell receptors...are there studies related to this stuff?
BBBill you say that the amount of cell receptors varying among the different users is the main reason in gaining at a high rate on cycle vs. not. Are there any theories or known ways to increase the amount of receptors that any given individual possess?
BBBill you say that the amount of cell receptors varying among the different users is the main reason in gaining at a high rate on cycle vs. not. Are there any theories or known ways to increase the amount of receptors that any given individual possess?
bulldog333
New member
would it be the same to clean a receptor as opposed to creating a new one?
El Hefe
Growing Brother
I agree that they likely have a genetic mutation or at the very least are less effected by myostatin. I think this could be the case for not only a few pros, but possibly most.
Remember that the study found that myostatin peaked at 8 weeks and then returned to baseline at week 20. Therefore gains will resume or increase again after that point. Most pros don't come off. This can also be a good time for a cruise.
This is a theory...which could have some merit. The study didn't test that protocol. But my personal opinion is that ultimately myostatin would win...at least for us non-super heroes. Switching things up definitely helps, but we're not dealing with a receptor issue. A number of people believe and have speculated that adding tren at or near the 8 week mark could likely extended the blast and overcome myostatin...at least for a little while.
I dont know? Nothing is absolute. Were these mass gains or recomp, bodyfat type gains?
Heres the study:http://www.afboard.com/library/Meas...nd effects of testosterone administration.pdf
To bad Led isn't here.... he eats this myo talk up. I'm simply filling in
Mayostatin is indeed the enemy. Not your receptors. The receptors increase with more anabolics to make room. So let's just drop the receptor bro science and stop beating that dead horse all up and down the internet.
I don't think it's clear, although there are "studies". But Myostatin is the enemy, it's your bodies homeostasis mechanism that basically says, "ok that's big enough, no more is necessary for survival." Until these levels drop you are basically wasting gear.
Solution, shorter cycles. Or shorter cycles followed by cruising or trt. Or just stay on Or blast tren at the tail end of a cycle to extend to kind of "break through". This of course is hypothetical but I've seen it work. So one could set up a long cycle interchanging "mild anabolics" for the more hardcore anabolics or heavier doses as they go.
I think just two cycles a year would be best. Shorter cycles.
I don't think it's clear, although there are "studies". But Myostatin is the enemy, it's your bodies homeostasis mechanism that basically says, "ok that's big enough, no more is necessary for survival." Until these levels drop you are basically wasting gear.
Solution, shorter cycles. Or shorter cycles followed by cruising or trt. Or just stay on Or blast tren at the tail end of a cycle to extend to kind of "break through". This of course is hypothetical but I've seen it work. So one could set up a long cycle interchanging "mild anabolics" for the more hardcore anabolics or heavier doses as they go.
I think just two cycles a year would be best. Shorter cycles.
gh0$t3ml0c
New member
I had a website I will search a little better that listed the weeks you must wait after different compounds... But I also have this calculator here if any vets want to test run it and check it's accuracy
http://pct.befit4free.net
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gh0$t3ml0c
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Here's a segment of the website I had saved in my notes hope it helps!
Anadrol/Anapolan: 24 hours after last administration
Deca: 21 days after last injection
Dianabol: 24 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 14 days after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 24 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 24 hours after last administration
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that site shows you how long the esters last in your system, its a rough calculation based on the half lives of the compounds. this isn't what the OP is talking about, atleast I do not think it is
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