I won't use steroids for now, but probably will use clomiphene

[GoldenPlague]

After some thinking, I came to the conclusion I don't have enough money to solve problems that can be caused by steroids multiple times in a row during and after each cycle. When I become rich enough, then I will start doing steroids. If I do steroids now, I may end up with side effect I don't have enough money to fix.

So, for now, I think using clomiphene to force my body to produce testosterone at maximum capacity is the solution to my low or normal levels of testosterone.

Being low is not okay. Being normal is not okay either. It must be as high as naturally possible. I want to my testosterone level to be at the maximum of the natural level, but not to exceed it.

Usually, the body doesn't produce testosterone at maximum capacity, so I need clomiphene to reach the natural limit of my testosterone production.

Before I start using clomiphene, I will do a blood test to see my testosterone level.

If my testosterone is at, for example, 500ng or 700ng, is an increase to 1000ng, 1200ng, or 1300ng a realistic expectation?

What is a realistic expectation? How many nanograms can be obtained due to clomiphene use?

Also, what should be the daily dose of clomiphene to increase testosterone production to its natural maximum?

By the way, I may buy clomiphene from NapsGear. The problem is that the site doesn't work and shows this error: https://i.postimg.cc/xCWh1q3D/Screenshot9.jpg

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

After some thinking, I came to the conclusion I don't have enough money to solve problems that can be caused by steroids multiple times in a row during and after each cycle. When I become rich enough, then I will start doing steroids. If I do steroids now, I may end up with side effect I don't have enough money to fix.

So, for now, I think using clomiphene to force my body to produce testosterone at maximum capacity is the solution to my low or normal levels of testosterone.

Being low is not okay. Being normal is not okay either. It must be as high as naturally possible. I want to my testosterone level to be at the maximum of the natural level, but not to exceed it.

Usually, the body doesn't produce testosterone at maximum capacity, so I need clomiphene to reach the natural limit of my testosterone production.

Before I start using clomiphene, I will do a blood test to see my testosterone level.

If my testosterone is at, for example, 500ng or 700ng, is an increase to 1000ng, 1200ng, or 1300ng a realistic expectation?

What is a realistic expectation? How many nanograms can be obtained due to clomiphene use?

Also, what should be the daily dose of clomiphene to increase testosterone production to its natural maximum?

By the way, I may buy clomiphene from NapsGear. The problem is that the site doesn't work and shows this error: https://i.postimg.cc/xCWh1q3D/Screenshot9.jpg

@GoldenPlague using clomid by itself wont work. You're better off using something natural like HCGenerate test booster, its safer.

Clomid no but hcgenerate YES to boost testosterone naturally.

 

[Mobster]

Try Naps again

 

[GoldenPlague]

@GoldenPlague using clomid by itself wont work. You're better off using something natural like HCGenerate test booster, its safer.

Clomid no but hcgenerate YES to boost testosterone naturally.

Actually, clomiphene does increase testosterone. I have read some information about this and various educational YouTube videos confirm that clomiphene increases testosterone by blocking receptors and tricking the body to think there is less hormone so more hormone needs to be produced.

Clomid can have, according to what I have read, significantly results, especially in men who have WORKING testicles, and don't have hypogonadism.

The following research also says clomiphene increases the testosterone:

Aim: Symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism is associated not only with a decline in serum testosterone, but also with a rise in serum estradiol. These endocrine changes negatively affect libido, sexual function, mood, behavior, lean body mass, and bone density. Currently, the most common treatment is exogenous testosterone therapy. This treatment can be associated with skin irritation, gynecomastia, nipple tenderness, testicular atrophy, and decline in sperm counts. In this study we investigated the efficacy of clomiphene citrate in the treatment of hypogonadism with the objectives of raising endogenous serum testosterone (T) and improving the testosterone/estrogen (T/E) ratio.

Methods: Our cohort consisted of 36 Caucasian men with hypogonadism defined as serum testosterone level less than 300 ng/dL. Each patient was treated with a daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate and followed prospectively. Analysis of baseline and follow-up serum levels of testosterone and estradiol levels were performed.

Results: The mean age was 39 years, and the mean pretreatment testosterone and estrogen levels were 247.6 +/- 39.8 ng/dL and 32.3 +/- 10.9, respectively. By the first follow-up visit (4-6 weeks), the mean testosterone level rose to 610.0 +/- 178.6 ng/dL (P < 0.00001). Moreover, the T/E ratio improved from 8.7 to 14.2 (P < 0.001). There were no side effects reported by the patients.

Conclusions: Low dose clomiphene citrate is effective in elevating serum testosterone levels and improving the testosterone/estradiol ratio in men with hypogonadism. This therapy represents an alternative to testosterone therapy by stimulating the endogenous androgen production pathway.

SOURCE: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/164...te,the endogenous androgen production pathway.

If this is what clomiphene can achieve in men with hypogonadism, then in men with properly working testicles, the results should be even better, I think?

 

[GoldenPlague]

Try Naps again

It still shows the same error. I will use Donestic-Supply if NapsGear doesn't work.

 

[Mobster]

Actually, clomiphene does increase testosterone. I have read some information about this and various educational YouTube videos confirm that clomiphene increases testosterone by blocking receptors and tricking the body to think there is less hormone so more hormone needs to be produced.

Clomid can have, according to what I have read, significantly results, especially in men who have WORKING testicles, and don't have hypogonadism.

The following research also says clomiphene increases the testosterone:


SOURCE: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16422830/#:~:text=Conclusions: Low dose clomiphene citrate,the endogenous androgen production pathway.

If this is what clomiphene can achieve in men with hypogonadism, then in men with properly working testicles, the results should be even better, I think?

Again no. Neither this nor even a fine test booster like N2Generate will be anywhere close to even a mild AAS cycle. At best you'll optimize natural output

 

[stevesmi]

napsgear works fine for me. try it again

if you want to use clomid that is fine. stack some vitamin E with it... rather just do hcgenerate with it

 

[GoldenPlague]

Again no. Neither this nor even a fine test booster like N2Generate will be anywhere close to even a mild AAS cycle. At best you'll optimize natural output

Around how many additional nanograms of testosterone will be added from clomid?

Also, what dose, 50 or 100 mg a day?

 

[Mobster]

Around how many additional nanograms of testosterone will be added from clomid?

Also, what dose, 50 or 100 mg a day?

I've both no idea (re the test level) nor am I recommending it.

 

[GoldenPlague]

I've both no idea (re the test level) nor am I recommending it.

Why aren't you recommending it?

 

[Mobster]

Why aren't you recommending it?

You mean to say all the time and effort I've given in all my other replies (some of which amounted to paragraphs) to your recent threads is now being ignored? That, having expressed opinions you choose another route and pretty much want me to then help you with that instead?

 

[GoldenPlague]

You mean to say all the time and effort I've given in all my other replies (some of which amounted to paragraphs) to your recent threads is now being ignored? That, having expressed opinions you choose another route and pretty much want me to then help you with that instead?

I'm still not financially ready to solve the potential side effects I may get from steroids. I decided to use clomiphene to boost my natural testosterone production to body's maximum capacity. It won't be as powerful as steroids can boost it, but it's still something.

 

[ceo]

Bros nobody knows how much testosterone levels will be on Clomid everybody is different

 

[ROIDDERS]

some people have no improvements on Clomid and some do

 

[chesty]

try it out and log it let's see what you're made of

 

[Ulter]

You said it in another thread that you had money and wasn't poor and now you're saying you can't afford steroid side effects

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

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[e2]

you ask a lot of questions for sure which we welcome but are you learning anything from us or do you just keep arguing?

 

[2Thick]

clomid doesn't boot test levels like steroids

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

Have you tried using a natural test booster like hcgenerate????