Insulin use

[Jrbdallas]

Hey guys.

Long story short, been looking i to insulin use. I was wondering if anyone knows a real good introduction to slin?
Really looking into the potential of the drug as well as dosing and sources.

Again just started considering it looking for some introductory info. Been through about 6 AAS cycles so far. I have also considered GH use as well but not sure about the funding on that at the time and being.

Thanks yall!

 

[JM750]

This is a copy/past from another forum i had saved. This is for information purposes only. I'm not telling you that this is what you need to do. You need to research yourself, or maybe others will post up here.
I currently do use novalin r. you need to know what you are doing using this drug.





Insulin 101 for newbie’s


This post is just a simple guide for first time insulin users to follow in a safe, and effective manner.

The type of insulin I’m talking about is Humalog

I urge you to invest in a glucometer. This will give you a close estimation of where your BG(Blood Glucose) levels are (Safe Zone 70-90,but independent upon each individual).You want to take in adequate amounts of carbs, but not too much. As the excess will be stored as fat. And yes, if you aren’t careful, you can add quite a bit of excess body fat. As you’ll see in my dosing example below, we drop carbs slightly as to not to acquire excess BF.

You need to know the signs of hypoglycemia:
The body's biochemical response to hypoglycemia usually starts when sugars are in the high/mid 60's. At this point, the liver releases its stores and the hormones such as glugagon, cortisol, growth hormone and epinephrine, all increase. In many patients, this process occurs without any clinical symptoms.
While there is some degree of variability among people, most will usually develop symptoms suggestive of hypoglycemia when blood glucose levels are lowered to the mid 50's. The first set of symptoms are called neuro-genic (or sympathetic) because they relate to the nervous system's response to hypoglycemia. People may experience any of the following;
• nervousness,
• sweating,
• intense hunger,
• trembling,
• weakness,
• palpitations, and
• often have trouble speaking
To educated yourself further here’s a linkhttp://www.medicinenet.com/hypoglycemia/article.htm

Never go to sleep while slin is active, nor take hot showers, sauna’s, nor tan.


As you already might know. The basic rule is 10g waxy maize to 1 iu of Insulin. Now the trick is to get in tune with your body so to take advantage of the insulin spike, which allows nutrients to be shuttled to the muscle cells rapidly, doing so without taking in excess carbs which equates to body fat.



Below is a 30 day cycle(which is recommended) for Insulin. I don’t use Insulin on off days from the gym. Some like to use Insulin on off days in the morning to fight off the catabolic state we’re in upon awakening. I feel upon awakening in the morning a shake consisting of Whey/ Dextrose would be sufficient, or better yet, SOLID FOOD, to bring you out of this catabolic state from fasting over an 8 hour period while sleeping.


I’ll use the 5 day training split as an example here. That will give you 20 days “on” slin.



Day 1 : 5 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 2 : 5 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 3 : 5 iu slin/50g Dextrose


Congratulations!! You’ve survived thus far. I assume (hope) you’ve been monitoring your BG levels. You probably have noticed that you are in the higher range using 50g of Dextrose PWO. Now it’s time to drop the carbs slightly. Don’t fret. This should be more than ample amounts (of carbs) to get you through to your PWO meal.



Day 4 : 5 iu slin/40g Dextrose

Day 5 : 5 iu slin/40g Dextrose



At this point you should have a good idea of how you react with Insulin in terms of BG levels vs. carb intake .



Let’s up the dose……



Day 6 : 6 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 7 : 6 iu slin/50g Dextrose

By this point in time you should be feeling good( ie; more confident),but still respectful to Insulin. Let’s test the waters for 3 days to give you the feel of things. By that I mean we’ll drop the carb intake slightly so you can find a comfortable ratio in regards to iu’s vs. carbs per gram.



Day 8 : 6 iu slin/40g Dextrose

Day 9 : 6 iu slin/40g Dextrose

Day 10 : 6 iu slin/40g Dextrose


Now, the above ratio’s are safe and effective. You can stop right here and continue on for the next 10 days at the above doses/ratio’s. Or you can move forward slightly.



Day 11 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 12 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 13 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 14 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 15 : & iu slin/50g Dextrose

If you felt confident with the above protocol. You could experiment on days 14-15 and drop your Dextrose to 40g.If you do so, please monitor your BG levels every 15 minutes or so. And have glucose tabs, or another source of quick carbs handy (like orange juice) to stave off any possible signs of hypoglycemia. Don’t panic should this happen, just drink a glass of orange juice, or similar, and in 10 minutes the symptoms will have subsided.



Ok, on to your final week.



Day 16 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 17 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 18 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 19 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 20 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose


Congratulations! You just completed your first cycle/experience with Insulin in a safe an effective manner. I stopped at 8 iu’s, Being that is enough to get your feet wet with the drug. You can experiment later on. This was simply a guide.



One last thing. Guys ask “Which way is better?” To take your Whey/ Dextrose in one shake, or Dextrose first, and whey 15 minutes later”?

Bottom line is, it’s just preference. But I do prefer to take my Dextrose first with creatine, BCAA, Luecine, then 15 minutes later have a whey isolate shake.1.5 hrs later have your PWO meal.

 

[Jrbdallas]

Thats awesome man. Thanks for the info!

 

[Bigbird138]

I don't use slin, but that was a very informative post. Thank you

 

[JM750]

I'm currently running 15 iu of slin pre W/O and the pumps are insane.

 

[tim-tren]

Hey guys.

Long story short, been looking i to insulin use. I was wondering if anyone knows a real good introduction to slin?
Really looking into the potential of the drug as well as dosing and sources.

Again just started considering it looking for some introductory info. Been through about 6 AAS cycles so far. I have also considered GH use as well but not sure about the funding on that at the time and being.

Thanks yall!

if you figure how much u spend on gear, a.i.'s..etc. u could get keifei's. if u stack a little test w/it you will be amazed.

 

[tim-tren]

if you figure how much u spend on gear, a.i.'s..etc. u could get keifei's. if u stack a little test w/it you will be amazed.

I WOULD NOT touch insulin. i have but it was only a couple times. i was to scared to become a diabetic. i did it the 1st time when me and my boy split some growth. that was like 10yrs. ago but the other times i didnt stay on it long when i did. Diabetes is forever.

 

[Jrbdallas]

I am planning to be on the safe side of usage. i will start at 4iu and increase by one iu weekly. For four weeks. Not to exceed 8iu

I will be using Novalin R

My diet will be in par and due to winter I am not afraid to take in the extra carbs and sugar just to be safe.

My intent is to incorporate this into my PCT to act as a further bridge between cycles. I do not plan to use slin more than 3 times a year.

 

[25express]

This is a copy/past from another forum i had saved. This is for information purposes only. I'm not telling you that this is what you need to do. You need to research yourself, or maybe others will post up here.
I currently do use novalin r. you need to know what you are doing using this drug.





Insulin 101 for newbie’s


This post is just a simple guide for first time insulin users to follow in a safe, and effective manner.

The type of insulin I’m talking about is Humalog

I urge you to invest in a glucometer. This will give you a close estimation of where your BG(Blood Glucose) levels are (Safe Zone 70-90,but independent upon each individual).You want to take in adequate amounts of carbs, but not too much. As the excess will be stored as fat. And yes, if you aren’t careful, you can add quite a bit of excess body fat. As you’ll see in my dosing example below, we drop carbs slightly as to not to acquire excess BF.

You need to know the signs of hypoglycemia:
The body's biochemical response to hypoglycemia usually starts when sugars are in the high/mid 60's. At this point, the liver releases its stores and the hormones such as glugagon, cortisol, growth hormone and epinephrine, all increase. In many patients, this process occurs without any clinical symptoms.
While there is some degree of variability among people, most will usually develop symptoms suggestive of hypoglycemia when blood glucose levels are lowered to the mid 50's. The first set of symptoms are called neuro-genic (or sympathetic) because they relate to the nervous system's response to hypoglycemia. People may experience any of the following;
• nervousness,
• sweating,
• intense hunger,
• trembling,
• weakness,
• palpitations, and
• often have trouble speaking
To educated yourself further here’s a linkhttp://www.medicinenet.com/hypoglycemia/article.htm

Never go to sleep while slin is active, nor take hot showers, sauna’s, nor tan.


As you already might know. The basic rule is 10g waxy maize to 1 iu of Insulin. Now the trick is to get in tune with your body so to take advantage of the insulin spike, which allows nutrients to be shuttled to the muscle cells rapidly, doing so without taking in excess carbs which equates to body fat.



Below is a 30 day cycle(which is recommended) for Insulin. I don’t use Insulin on off days from the gym. Some like to use Insulin on off days in the morning to fight off the catabolic state we’re in upon awakening. I feel upon awakening in the morning a shake consisting of Whey/ Dextrose would be sufficient, or better yet, SOLID FOOD, to bring you out of this catabolic state from fasting over an 8 hour period while sleeping.


I’ll use the 5 day training split as an example here. That will give you 20 days “on” slin.



Day 1 : 5 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 2 : 5 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 3 : 5 iu slin/50g Dextrose


Congratulations!! You’ve survived thus far. I assume (hope) you’ve been monitoring your BG levels. You probably have noticed that you are in the higher range using 50g of Dextrose PWO. Now it’s time to drop the carbs slightly. Don’t fret. This should be more than ample amounts (of carbs) to get you through to your PWO meal.



Day 4 : 5 iu slin/40g Dextrose

Day 5 : 5 iu slin/40g Dextrose



At this point you should have a good idea of how you react with Insulin in terms of BG levels vs. carb intake .



Let’s up the dose……



Day 6 : 6 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 7 : 6 iu slin/50g Dextrose

By this point in time you should be feeling good( ie; more confident),but still respectful to Insulin. Let’s test the waters for 3 days to give you the feel of things. By that I mean we’ll drop the carb intake slightly so you can find a comfortable ratio in regards to iu’s vs. carbs per gram.



Day 8 : 6 iu slin/40g Dextrose

Day 9 : 6 iu slin/40g Dextrose

Day 10 : 6 iu slin/40g Dextrose


Now, the above ratio’s are safe and effective. You can stop right here and continue on for the next 10 days at the above doses/ratio’s. Or you can move forward slightly.



Day 11 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 12 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 13 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 14 : 7 iu slin/50g Dextrose

Day 15 : & iu slin/50g Dextrose

If you felt confident with the above protocol. You could experiment on days 14-15 and drop your Dextrose to 40g.If you do so, please monitor your BG levels every 15 minutes or so. And have glucose tabs, or another source of quick carbs handy (like orange juice) to stave off any possible signs of hypoglycemia. Don’t panic should this happen, just drink a glass of orange juice, or similar, and in 10 minutes the symptoms will have subsided.



Ok, on to your final week.



Day 16 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 17 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 18 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 19 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose

Day 20 : 8 iu slin/60g Dextrose


Congratulations! You just completed your first cycle/experience with Insulin in a safe an effective manner. I stopped at 8 iu’s, Being that is enough to get your feet wet with the drug. You can experiment later on. This was simply a guide.



One last thing. Guys ask “Which way is better?” To take your Whey/ Dextrose in one shake, or Dextrose first, and whey 15 minutes later”?

Bottom line is, it’s just preference. But I do prefer to take my Dextrose first with creatine, BCAA, Luecine, then 15 minutes later have a whey isolate shake.1.5 hrs later have your PWO meal.

This is absolutely horrible advise! DO NOT FOLLOW! Increasing insulin and decreasing carbs=stupidity at it's finest. From top to bottom just awful...this is why I'm so against people using insulin, they have people who professes to be experts giving them garbage advise that could literally get them killed!!

 

[JM750]

This is absolutely horrible advise! DO NOT FOLLOW! Increasing insulin and decreasing carbs=stupidity at it's finest. From top to bottom just awful...this is why I'm so against people using insulin, they have people who professes to be experts giving them garbage advise that could literally get them killed!!

Those doses shown here is not going to get you killed. Under 10 iu is mild. If you are taking 10 grams of carbs per 1 iu of slin, you not gonna die. Taking insulin is not for everyone. If you take 20 or 30 iu with 50 grams of carbs, yea, you will get yourself in trouble. You need to experiment on how it works for you. You need to keep a close watch on BG levels. And you need to know what the signs are for going hypo. And you need to use your brain. Ultimately, getting the correct ratio of fast acting carbs vs iu of slin is crucial. Otherwise, you are just gonna put on fat very fast…..

 

[Diesel808]

Increasing dose and decreasing carbs is NOT stupid at all. Everyone is different on how much carbs are needed to not go hypo, 10g carbs per 1 iu is just a baseline of where to start then you slowly start upping dose for a few days and decrease carbs slowly.

With insulin more carbs is not better, you want as minimum carbs as possible without going hypo or you'll start looking like a sumo wrestler.

I've done 2 runs with slin, first run i stayed at 6 iu's with 10g carb per iu and picked up a bit of fat. Second run i found my spot at 7g carb per 1 iu, massive weight gain with no fat.

 

[Diesel808]

And i don't necessarily condone the use of slin since the extreme dangers that is involved with it in the wrong hands.

But you don't need to run it everyday for 30 days straight, 2-3 days on 1 day off is how i did both my runs. This decreases your chance a little bit of not becoming insulin dependent.

 

[chuckman]

Great info i wish i new this 15 years ago when i was playing with insulin thanks .:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

 

[JackSteel]

I'm currently running 15 iu of slin pre W/O and the pumps are insane.

Humalog?


Need Venom?? I'll bite

 

[JM750]

Increasing dose and decreasing carbs is NOT stupid at all. Everyone is different on how much carbs are needed to not go hypo, 10g carbs per 1 iu is just a baseline of where to start then you slowly start upping dose for a few days and decrease carbs slowly.

With insulin more carbs is not better, you want as minimum carbs as possible without going hypo or you'll start looking like a sumo wrestler.

I've done 2 runs with slin, first run i stayed at 6 iu's with 10g carb per iu and picked up a bit of fat. Second run i found my spot at 7g carb per 1 iu, massive weight gain with no fat.

Exactly. You want to run as little carbs as you can without going hypo. Or yes, you'll be a fat fuck for sure. And by experimenting dosage and amount of carb intake is how you do it. Once you have done it enough, you will know the sweet spot.

 

[JM750]

Humalog?


Need Venom?? I'll bite 

No, Novalin R jack

 

[25express]

I'm currently running 15 iu of slin pre W/O and the pumps are insane.

The pumps you are getting are from the carbs...whether you inject insulin or your body produces insulin it is the same. Your body only uses insulin in relation to the amount of carbs/sugar that is in the blood stream...more or less and you have a serious medical condition.

If you eat to much you get fat...if you take to much insulin your body releases sugar from your liver which is used to bring your blood sugar up and then stored or you go hypo and must eat, then you get fat. Insulin cannot be used in excess by the body...your body simply doesn't produce what you inject.

You guys need to learn how and when your body uses insulin. It's a very well studied hormone that has been studied and used in humans since 1920...there is a ton of information, google it. This "broscience" that is continually posted on forums like this make my stomach turn..

 

[JackSteel]

The pumps you are getting are from the carbs...whether you inject insulin or your body produces insulin it is the same. Your body only uses insulin in relation to the amount of carbs/sugar that is in the blood stream...more or less and you have a serious medical condition.

If you eat to much you get fat...if you take to much insulin your body releases sugar from your liver which is used to bring your blood sugar up and then stored or you go hypo and must eat, then you get fat. Insulin cannot be used in excess by the body...your body simply doesn't produce what you inject.

You guys need to learn how and when your body uses insulin. It's a very well studied hormone that has been studied and used in humans since 1920...there is a ton of information, google it. This "broscience" that is continually posted on forums like this make my stomach turn..

Indeed.


Need Venom?? I'll bite

 

[Iwillrunyoudown]

I'm currently running 15 iu of slin pre W/O and the pumps are insane.

Damn! I thought i was being risky at 12.

 

[Iwillrunyoudown]

short, long?