Is a T-only cycle the best way to go?

[GoldenPlague]

So, all oral divisions of testosterone (for example, oral steroids like Anavar and Turinabol, etc...) aren't testosterone, meaning they don't add additional testosterone to the body, meaning there is nothing to aromatize into estrogen, meaning low estrogen, meaning osteoporosis and other nasty things.

Does that mean the best and safest way to go using steroids is using only testosterone, or if you use oral steroids, to always add testosterone to the cycle protocol?

Is this why cycles with oral steroids only are not a good idea? Because they will suppress natural testosterone, won't add testosterone on their own, and there will be nothing to convert to estrogen?

 

[Mobster]

So, all oral divisions of testosterone (for example, oral steroids like Anavar and Turinabol, etc...) aren't testosterone, meaning they don't add additional testosterone to the body, meaning there is nothing to aromatize into estrogen, meaning low estrogen, meaning osteoporosis and other nasty things.

Does that mean the best and safest way to go using steroids is using only testosterone, or if you use oral steroids, to always add testosterone to the cycle protocol?

Is this why cycles with oral steroids only are not a good idea? Because they will suppress natural testosterone, won't add testosterone on their own, and there will be nothing to convert to estrogen?

We covered this before. You literally contradict yourself saying a 'divisions of testosterone... aren't testosterone'. Both Stevesmi and I both pointed out all bar one ARE forms of test. I even showed you how the chemical name for TBol included the word testosterone

And both oral and injectable test will suppress.

We have also covered how easy it is to say X will not aromatize but we can find examples of other methods of feedback and the user being fat etc etc means they can still get gyno.

Creating a new thread to get the same answers... c'mon

 

[GoldenPlague]

We covered this before. You literally contradict yourself saying a 'divisions of testosterone... aren't testosterone'. Both Stevesmi and I both pointed out all bar one ARE forms of test. I even showed you how the chemical name for TBol included the word testosterone

And both oral and injectable test will suppress.

We have also covered how easy it is to say X will not aromatize but we can find examples of other methods of feedback and the user being fat etc etc means they can still get gyno.

Creating a new thread to get the same answers... c'mon

You didn't understand me.

Yes, both testosterone and divisions of it will suppress natural testosterone, but testosterone won't cause the body to had little to no testosterone.

If I use turinabol, it will suppress my natural T without adding T. That means there will be nothing to aromatize to estrogen.

If I use testosterone, it will suppress my natural T, but it will also add testosterone on its own. That means there will be something to convert to estrogen and no osteoporosis and other health issues related to low estrogen will occur.

Did I get it correctly? I'm trying to figure out what is the best and most rational (and safest) way to do steroids. I don't want osteoporosis!

I'm definitely with low T, which will be PROVEN when my blood test is done in less about 1 week and 3 days.

Once I start using TRT and see if I'm actually allergic to any if the substances, if it turns out I'm not, I will forget about the TRT and start using bodybuilding doses of testosterone.

My TRT and blood tests are nothing but a phony excuse to gain access to healthcare professionals under the guise of "i HaVe LoW TeStOsTeRoNe", so they can examine me so I can obtain important information otherwise I couldn't obtain. The only way to obtain the information I need is to have a healthcare professional examining me, even if there is nothing wrong with me.

I'm 99,9% sure I have low T. If that's the case, the medically prescribed TRT will act as my education and experience. Once I obtain the needed experience, I will ditch the TRT and will start using actual bodybuilding doses.

Even if I don't have low T on my incoming blood test, I will make another blood test that will definitely show low T.

Staying hungry for about a month, malnutrition, and a lack of proper sleep for about 15-20 hours will drop my T and then the blood test results will be what I want them to be.

I'm smarter than the system. I will lie and outplay the system so I can achieve my objectives.

 

[Mobster]

Have a read of your own reply.

You are determined to ignore advice. You want to have low T. You're willing to fake it.

Now you've admitted to certain issues. Your plan of actions will merely support those thoughts and feelings.

The idea that you suggest for TBol - nope. If it both suppressed natural test and added nothing (regardless of the estrogen idea) how did it then become effective as an AAS and was used by Easten Bloc athletes to garner medals etc. Why is it so highly regarded by AAS gurus? And so on

And you do not need to 'outplay the system'. Just pony up the case for what you need

 

[Ori]

Have a read of your own reply.

You are determined to ignore advice. You want to have low T. You're willing to fake it.

Now you've admitted to certain issues. Your plan of actions will merely support those thoughts and feelings.

The idea that you suggest for TBol - nope. If it both suppressed natural test and added nothing (regardless of the estrogen idea) how did it then become effective as an AAS and was used by Easten Bloc athletes to garner medals etc. Why is it so highly regarded by AAS gurus? And so on

And you do not need to 'outplay the system'. Just pony up the case for what you need

Is it just me, or is that last reply he made a bit on the unhinged side? I’m starting to worry about this kid.

 

[Ori]

@GoldenPlague, bro, can you help us understand what it is you want to achieve so badly that you’d starve yourself to qualify for TRT? We care about you dude and no one here wants to see you hurt yourself. Clearly something has you feeling you need to do this, help us understand what that is, what if it’s easier to achieve than you think?

 

[s.gentz]

So, all oral divisions of testosterone (for example, oral steroids like Anavar and Turinabol, etc...) aren't testosterone, meaning they don't add additional testosterone to the body, meaning there is nothing to aromatize into estrogen, meaning low estrogen, meaning osteoporosis and other nasty things.

No it doesn't mean this. Your not on the compounds long enough for any effect of your estrogen.
You keep asking the same questions and get the same answers but you do not accept them. Many have wasted a lot of time and energy on you.
I think you should consider mental help before going any further with your quest for greatness. You obviously have issues you need to get figured out.

 

[GoldenPlague]

Have a read of your own reply.

You are determined to ignore advice. You want to have low T. You're willing to fake it.

Now you've admitted to certain issues. Your plan of actions will merely support those thoughts and feelings.

The idea that you suggest for TBol - nope. If it both suppressed natural test and added nothing (regardless of the estrogen idea) how did it then become effective as an AAS and was used by Easten Bloc athletes to garner medals etc. Why is it so highly regarded by AAS gurus? And so on

And you do not need to 'outplay the system'. Just pony up the case for what you need

I can't just pony up (pay) money for a product that is not legal for off-label use. I don't know any doctors who sell prescriptions for off-label use of anabolic steroids.

The only thing I can do is to go on TRT, observe the effects, the side effects, what doctors say, what tests and examinations are done to me, and then use the freshly obtained knowledge for off-label use. I need supervised and controlled environment where I can gain real-life experience. Random people, posts, and articles on the internet can't help me, because they all contradict each other. Different people, posts, replies, forums, and sites say different things about the same thing.

The most important thing is to see how my estrogen and e2 levels behave under synthetic testosterone, how sensitive my body is to testosterone, and how much estrogen inhibitors I will need to prevent too much estrogen due to conversion.

What I want is to use a legit product, and going in TRT is the only way to get legit product. Over time, I may find more way to get higher and higher doses. I will probably figure it out in the long run.

@GoldenPlague, bro, can you help us understand what it is you want to achieve so badly that you’d starve yourself to qualify for TRT? We care about you dude and no one here wants to see you hurt yourself. Clearly something has you feeling you need to do this, help us understand what that is, what if it’s easier to achieve than you think?

I explained it several times, but you probably missed it. I want to develop a career in bodybuilding/modeling and make it big in life.

No it doesn't mean this. Your not on the compounds long enough for any effect of your estrogen.
You keep asking the same questions and get the same answers but you do not accept them. Many have wasted a lot of time and energy on you.
I think you should consider mental help before going any further with your quest for greatness. You obviously have issues you need to get figured out.

Yes, short cycles won't do a lot of damage, they may just reduce bone density by just 15% or something. I watched a video of an uneducated person who did anavar-only cycle and got bone density reduced by 17%. I don't want this to happen to me.

 

[s.gentz]

I can't just pony up (pay) money for a product that is not legal for off-label use. I don't know any doctors who sell prescriptions for off-label use of anabolic steroids.

The only thing I can do is to go on TRT, observe the effects, the side effects, what doctors say, what tests and examinations are done to me, and then use the freshly obtained knowledge for off-label use. I need supervised and controlled environment where I can gain real-life experience. Random people, posts, and articles on the internet can't help me, because they all contradict each other. Different people, posts, replies, forums, and sites say different things about the same thing.

The most important thing is to see how my estrogen and e2 levels behave under synthetic testosterone, how sensitive my body is to testosterone, and how much estrogen inhibitors I will need to prevent too much estrogen due to conversion.

What I want is to use a legit product, and going in TRT is the only way to get legit product. Over time, I may find more way to get higher and higher doses. I will probably figure it out in the long run.

I explained it several times, but you probably missed it. I want to develop a career in bodybuilding/modeling and make it big in life.

Yes, short cycles won't do a lot of damage, they may just reduce bone density by just 15% or something. I watched a video of an uneducated person who did anavar-only cycle and got bone density reduced by 17%. I don't want this to happen to me.

I’m out. You have analysis paralysis.
Highly doubt you have low test as your very young still. Your body is not fully developed and by some of your posts neither is your brain. You keep putting up these ridiculous posts yet take no advice from people that have been doing this a long time.

 

[Mobster]

You're 22. TRT will NOT give you PED doses. There's nothing to 'figure out'

And you want to get a doc to give you TRT whereas you can 'pony up (pay) for the very same thing now (or, more accurately, when you're old enough)

And what happened to the other idea you had (see other thread)

 

[GoldenPlague]

I’m out. You have analysis paralysis.
Highly doubt you have low test as your very young still. Your body is not fully developed and by some of your posts neither is your brain. You keep putting up these ridiculous posts yet take no advice from people that have been doing this a long time.

You missed many of the things I said in other threads.

Let me explain it again.

During my puberty years (from age of 13 to 17 or 18), I was overweight. When I was at age of 14-15, I had hard things under my nipples, which is known as puberty gynecomastia. There is no such thing as "puberty gynecomastia", there is just gynecomastia.

My testosterone was SUPPRESSED during the most active years of my HPTA development, meaning the development was stunt.

Although I recovered to some extent, I strongly believe I'm left with naturally low testosterone. The reasons behind the belief is the lack of strongly expressed masculinization such as dense beard.

I already explained I don't have low T symptoms such as difficult fat dropping, easy fat gaining, erectile dysfunction, etc..., but these side effect are just standard generalization and their absence doesn't guarantee I don't have low testosterone.

I don't look like a high T male, do you understand this? I'm familiar with history and anthropology, and I know past males at my looked different, they were more masculine and had much, much denser beards.

Additionally, I remember what some my peers, who trained and had high T, looked like at 14 or 15 or 16; they were more masculine, with deeper voices and denser beards while I wasn't as masculine as them.

I have all reasons to suspect I have HPTA problems and low T. What I'm saying will definitely be proven once the blood test results arrive.

Since I don't have testicular atrophy, the problem most likely is caused by the brain sending not strong enough signals to the testicles to produce testosterone.

I don't know what exactly the cause is, but I think I'm seriously fucked up and have nothing to lose anyway, which is why I already stated multiple times I will reach my goals, no matter what happens, even if steroids cause me to get on TRT for life. I may already be sterile, by the way, if I have low T.

From a health point of view and side effects of steroids and their side effects of body systems they damage, I don't think I have anything to lose.

You're 22. TRT will NOT give you PED doses. There's nothing to 'figure out'

And you want to get a doc to give you TRT whereas you can 'pony up (pay) for the very same thing now (or, more accurately, when you're old enough)

And what happened to the other idea you had (see other thread)

Age doesn't matter. If I have hypothalamus/pituitary gland problems, I have low T. Such problems like hypogonadism can occur at any age.

Why when get older? And no, I can't legally pay for such things now, because it's illegal. Also, if I buy steroids from your sponsors, there will be no one to help if I get side effects. That's why I plan to go on TRT, so I can be supervised and monitored by healthcare professionals until I see how my body reacts to the substances and obtain the necessary knowledge and real-life experience to be competent enough to do steroids cycles.

What other idea and thread are you talking about?

 

[Mobster]

How many threads did you create? The most recent one

Most of the reply above is based on what you THINK vs what you KNOW. At 22 you are just about old enough (deffo analytical enough) to be able to KNOW that not every male you know had their balls all drop at the same time. Ditto women maturing at different ages.

Here's how that works: every male member here can do the 'one boy at school, aged 13, had a full 'tache' story. I had buddies at work who needed to shave 2x a day. Equally (and this might even be you) there will be one lad who, when all the other boys start to have their balls drop, still have soft looking skin. Typically, as you suggest, they will be plump mofo's.

Now I've seen enough, as I'm sure you have, feeble fkin excuses to last me a lifetime - I'm big boned... it's genetic... blah blah. No. Just a fat mofo who eats too much cos mum and dad do so too and doesn't walk enough. Now and you again are an example - you're not as fat as you once was.

Such is life. We ALL mature at different rates. I did so aged 15. Like I shot up a foot in a year. My thigh bones ACHED I grew so quick. I also started weights then. Since then my smoking, drinking and in one example drug using brothers all look (or looked - 2 are dead - I'm the oldest / first born) older than me. Why? Cos I lift, never smoked and drink in moderation - and I train.

There will be amazing sexy girls you wen to school with who now look like house fraus - fat and with two kids.

You want to bend the rules on a test because if you didn't and it came back that your test levels were normal you'd have no excuse.

You are also lying (mostly to yourself). I can quote what you said (see here: The only thing I can do is to go on TRT, observe the effects, the side effects, what doctors say, what tests and examinations are done to me, and then use the freshly obtained knowledge for off-label use. about TRT. They will NOT prescribe much more than a max (probably less) of 300mg. Which is less than a PED dose. So remind me how you'll achieve all your dreams and wishes inc winning competitions even with the knowledge you'll have gained (more likely oi'll debate the hind legs off a donkey with the clinician) on 300mg. It won't matter if you train or not if you don't buy 'illegally' HOW you use the TRT dose

And how do people who get side effects deal with those issues now? You said there will be no one. So you're saying anyone who gets side effects (IF) does what? Hide in the cellar? Get shunned by doctors?

Why when you get older? Cos you're too damned young now. You're not the age we typically (when trying to be responsible) recommend. 25 By way of example I used NOTHING PED related until I was aged 37. I'd trained the same amount of time you've been alive - 22 years - before I used.

 

[GoldenPlague]

And how do people who get side effects deal with those issues now? You said there will be no one. So you're saying anyone who gets side effects (IF) does what? Hide in the cellar? Get shunned by doctors?

If I directly start PED doses of testosterone, there won't be anyone to monitor if I'm allergic to the substances, for example. If I take testosterone while home alone, and it turns out I'm allergic, I will die. However, if a doctor prescribes it, they will do the necessary tests to ensure the substance is safe to my body and my body can handle it. Once I know it's safe, I will think about buying larger doses of the same substance from online black markets.

Do you see now why I want my substance use to start with the assistance of a medical professional instead of doing it home alone?

 

[stevesmi]

If I directly start PED doses of testosterone, there won't be anyone to monitor if I'm allergic to the substances, for example. If I take testosterone while home alone, and it turns out I'm allergic, I will die. However, if a doctor prescribes it, they will do the necessary tests to ensure the substance is safe to my body and my body can handle it. Once I know it's safe, I will think about buying larger doses of the same substance from online black markets.

Do you see now why I want my substance use to start with the assistance of a medical professional instead of doing it home alone?

Even in America nobody goes to the doctor every time they do a trt injection do you know how much it would cost and how time consuming it would be if everybody did that?

If it takes two minutes to do it at home why would anybody get in their car and drive to a doctor's office and sit there for an hour waiting for a nurse to do it for them doesn't make any sense

I have a better idea why don't you meet a nurse to date and then she can pin you and that would solve the issue

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

So, all oral divisions of testosterone (for example, oral steroids like Anavar and Turinabol, etc...) aren't testosterone, meaning they don't add additional testosterone to the body, meaning there is nothing to aromatize into estrogen, meaning low estrogen, meaning osteoporosis and other nasty things.

Does that mean the best and safest way to go using steroids is using only testosterone, or if you use oral steroids, to always add testosterone to the cycle protocol?

Is this why cycles with oral steroids only are not a good idea? Because they will suppress natural testosterone, won't add testosterone on their own, and there will be nothing to convert to estrogen?

@GoldenPlague i follow you and i read all your other threads over time
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...[content]=thread&c[users]=GoldenPlague&o=date

like you have threads where you are scared of allergens
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...lf-for-allergies-before-using-steroids.96442/

for you, in your mindset maybe testosterone is not a good idea, neither is ANY steroids
you might be having issues mentally with this
are you even sure you want to get on steroids? seriously

 

[Quadsweep]

you aren't sure about using steroids so the simple fact is you shouldn't use them yet

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro why don't you just stick with supplements leave steroids for the big boys

 

[JasonPriest]

something is definitely wrong with the way you're thinking here. It's a lot of paranoia and a lot of fear

 

[MONSTRO]

using steroids is a fun experience it shouldn't be a stressful one
I feel like you should do a log before you use steroids and milk as much natural gains as possible

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

steroid use is for serious people who live on the edge in want to improve themselves
you don't seem to quite be there yet so I think you should focus on your diet and training for a few more years