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I was just wondering here. If steroids give such a strong boost to recovery, why do we even need to take days off when we cycle steroids? In any case we should be able to recover fast enough, and workout every day? So, how many rest days to you take per week?
Steroids increase recovery, but they also make you stronger and more aggressive in the gym so your workouts are more demanding on your body and harder to recover from. The workout split I am following in my pre-contest training log is pretty much MAX: http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/...muskate-s-pre-contest-training-log-40720.html
Anymore then that, you really won't be able to recover (except for the few genetic freaks). After 3 consecutive days of hard training, I would take 1 day where you at least only do cardio and abs.
Remember that steroids increase the speed that your muscles recover, but not the speed that your central nervous system recovers.
Anymore then that, you really won't be able to recover (except for the few genetic freaks). After 3 consecutive days of hard training, I would take 1 day where you at least only do cardio and abs.
Remember that steroids increase the speed that your muscles recover, but not the speed that your central nervous system recovers.
it would depend on how hard you go. if you go everyday at 90% then lifting weights everyday is foolish.. your body will break down (ya ya i'm sure the younger guys will disagree, but wait till you hit 30 or 35 or 40 then get back to me)
it would be like a runner who does interval sprint training everday. his legs will breakdown and he will start getting problems.
you can go hard but if you do then you need to take a break to allow your body to recover. there is an art to it. do you see pro athletes go hard everyday? do you see NFL players during the season in full pads everyday? no.. they play their game sunday.. rest on Monday. Tuesday have a light practice. etc etc. they have 1 padded practice during the week. its been proven that if you pound your team into the ground by the time you get to week 12 they will be done. its about training SMART and keeping your body conditioned and fresh
yes you could train 7 days a week if you wanted. But I would only be doing light weight volume training. And not until the point of failure. If you push the limits too far everyday you will crash and burn
As stevesmi said tho it depends on how hard you go. Its not the muscles that need the recovery when going hard all the time. Its your central nervous system. Always take a day off from everything to allow this to rest and recover if lifting heavy.
As stevesmi said tho it depends on how hard you go. Its not the muscles that need the recovery when going hard all the time. Its your central nervous system. Always take a day off from everything to allow this to rest and recover if lifting heavy.
I could personally not train that much. I generally take 1 day completely off and 1 day of just cardio and abs per week. The other 5 days I lift hard and heavy. Just listen to your body.
Listen to body my friend you train to stimulate muscle not annihilate so if you train heavy thats great and suddenly fter a few weeks and lots of hormones you say wow i feel lke shit why why why you need rest listen to body train with good form lots of clean calories protein and carbs fats are like the third wheel of macros when on roids if youre tired take 1 or 2 days to recover relax netflix and chill with da femal theN GO GO GO HARDCORE AGAON WOOOOOOOOO
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My training consists of 5 hard days....2 of which are legs & 2 days of cardio and abs. Right now I am on day 12 straight......I'm feeling it. I plan to take Sunday completely off this week.
Having said that...I do feel that how you eat, cycle your carbs, cheat, refeed etc definitely comes into play here in a big way.
I think that being on steriods definitely helps with recovery but like stated above....when your on even if your only lifting 10lbs more then your pb off steriods....it's still taxing on your body.
Listen to your body....it will tell you exactly what it needs.
Mine needs a slice of pizza at the moment...and that's EXACTLY what it will get.
Having said that...I do feel that how you eat, cycle your carbs, cheat, refeed etc definitely comes into play here in a big way.
I think that being on steriods definitely helps with recovery but like stated above....when your on even if your only lifting 10lbs more then your pb off steriods....it's still taxing on your body.
Listen to your body....it will tell you exactly what it needs.
Mine needs a slice of pizza at the moment...and that's EXACTLY what it will get.
So in tune with your body you know exactly what food it needs I APPROVE, just one slice though.....
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Steroids definitely increase muscle recovery. Do keep in mind your body grows whilst resting. So ideally you would want 1 rest day .. But also could come down to your training, not being as intense as you'd require. I see many guys just cruise through gym workouts, really not applying themselves.
Charles Polquin had a protocol to find out when your body was starting to become over trained.
Before beginning the hard training, every day when you first wake up, take your heart rate, try to stay still, don't get up and go to the bathroom,
then take your heart rate, just do it as soon as your mind is not foggy. Write down the number. Do this for 7 days in a row, figure out the average heart rate
and write this down in your training log. After you start training hard, take your heart rate every 2 weeks or so, upon waking. If this new heart rate
is 5 beats or more then your pre-hard training heart rate, you are starting to over train, time to back off
What I have noticed is most guys can train hard for 5 weeks, then they need to take it more easy, for 3 weeks, then their ready for another 5 weeks, of hard training
You might want to check out some of Louie Simsion's and the west side barbell club info. About periodization. If your into powerlifting.
Before beginning the hard training, every day when you first wake up, take your heart rate, try to stay still, don't get up and go to the bathroom,
then take your heart rate, just do it as soon as your mind is not foggy. Write down the number. Do this for 7 days in a row, figure out the average heart rate
and write this down in your training log. After you start training hard, take your heart rate every 2 weeks or so, upon waking. If this new heart rate
is 5 beats or more then your pre-hard training heart rate, you are starting to over train, time to back off
What I have noticed is most guys can train hard for 5 weeks, then they need to take it more easy, for 3 weeks, then their ready for another 5 weeks, of hard training
You might want to check out some of Louie Simsion's and the west side barbell club info. About periodization. If your into powerlifting.
I think people do not understand that our soft tissues cannot take a beating over time. your muscles can. but your ligaments and tendons cannot. once you start getting inflammation that is a signal you have some sort of tiny injury that needs to be rested. if you continue to pound away and take anti-inflammatories (like too many guys do) you will get 50 crippled.
You Just have to listen to your body. That's what bodybuilding is all about. It's not a one-way For every single person. That's what's so fun Is you're constantly tuning and changing your workout to meet your own goals and your own body. For me I have a rotating 9 days. So I work out straight for 8 days The night they are rest and I start back over on my routine. So I go to a rotation twice rest and then go through it twice again. If I feel tired and I'm not getting enough sleep then I might take a day off on the 5th day and repeat in the fifth day again. But for me I recover really quick even if I'm not taking gear I recover fast. Just have to listen to your body
Which would involve rest days.
Anything else is WRONG.
Fact 1: can I train 7 days a week? Yeah sure. Been there done that. Did I recover and grow? No. In fact I was deliberately over training
Fact 2: if the very top pros using crazy amounts of PEDs and with the best genetics in the world need to rest then so do you
Fact 3: some people NEED (cos it's addiction) to train 7 days a week. But, just as an example, that doesn't need to mean gym work. You could 'train' on rest days if said 'rest' was, in fact, active recovery. And that's not training legs 'til your nose bleeds but stretching, daily steps, etc.
Top athletes, never mind bodybuilders, spend as much time, money and effort on recovery and rehab. This is what will separate one from another. By way of examples top level WSM competitors like Eddie Hall did rehab for up to 4 hours a day. Top BB's were getting deep tissue massages 2-3x a week and so on. But 7 days a week hard training just cos or with PEDS no
EVERY single time you've read of someone training (ultra marathon runners for example) 7 days a week it's been a f**king mess.
I'd question injuries, fatigue and how hard you actually train. If, for example, you train arms using a volume approach and it takes 30 minutes you're not having the same level of impact on recovery as an HIT leg session which might take 3 days to get over.
I DO agree with the not being stuck in a 7 days week training schedule
Even if you're not.
And then come on forums saying they're in the gym for 4 hours six days a week. So what - the gym staff do more lol.
It's a fun thing for people to discuss. The old line used to be 'there's no such thing as over training just under recovering'. Truth is 90% of gym users eat poorly, don't stretch enough (inc me), don't get massages enough (ditto) and so on. But equally, they lift light, rep stuff out then bitch about not growing. I've stated before that if you're growing etc etc what you're doing works. If not it isn't. It's as simple as that.
That conflicts with the statement above which infers you can train without rest. It's even worse for Pigsy because on occasion he works close to 24 hour straight AND trains when grapes need picking. Closest I've been is very long work days (5am to 10pm back in the day - meaning up at 4amn and bed by 11pm and then a few years ago up at 4am for a 6am start and back home for 8pm but 2 days back to back like that) followed by a training day. One thing I'd do is maintain by only training 2-3 days a week for these brief work periods
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