Is this aromatization rate normal?

[GoldenPlague]

These results are from before I started my current SERM treatment for provincial subhumans and fading and aging human leftovers no one cares about with low testosterone:

Estradiol (estrogen): 92.80pmol/L / Reference: 28.0 - 156.0

Testosterone: 18.20nmol/L / Reference: 8.64 - 29.00

Free testosterone: 26.13pg/mL / Reference: 15.00 - 50.00

What I want right now is to get more free T without getting total T crashed or significantly reduced to hypogonadal levels.

Proviron is an androgen, meaning it will always suppress total T, even if it's just a little bit. Suppression is something that will definitely happen, but the extent depends on other things. Suppression by proviron is significantly weaker than suppression by other steroids.

So, here is my idea.

If I take proviron when my levels are at 500-600 ng/dL, it may suppress my T by 200 ng/dL, reducing it to 300-400 ng/dL, which is very low. However, if I increase my T to, for example, 800 ng/dL, a reduction by 200 ng/dL won't reduce it to low levels but will just return it to my base line level.

I was told proviron is good for high aromatizes, but bad for low aromatizes. Sadly, I didn't completely understand what this is supposed to mean, though I think I may already have some understanding of why it's not good idea. For example, for people with low aromatization, reduced T could mean even lower aromatization, which bad for estrogen, I suppose?

But can you tell me if it's good for me, judging by the lab test results value I provided? Given these values, what can go wrong with testosterone, aromatization, and estrogen in my case?

Thanks.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

These results are from before I started my current SERM treatment for provincial subhumans and fading and aging human leftovers no one cares about with low testosterone:

Estradiol (estrogen): 92.80pmol/L / Reference: 28.0 - 156.0

Testosterone: 18.20nmol/L / Reference: 8.64 - 29.00

Free testosterone: 26.13pg/mL / Reference: 15.00 - 50.00

What I want right now is to get more free T without getting total T crashed or significantly reduced to hypogonadal levels.

Proviron is an androgen, meaning it will always suppress total T, even if it's just a little bit. Suppression is something that will definitely happen, but the extent depends on other things. Suppression by proviron is significantly weaker than suppression by other steroids.

So, here is my idea.

If I take proviron when my levels are at 500-600 ng/dL, it may suppress my T by 200 ng/dL, reducing it to 300-400 ng/dL, which is very low. However, if I increase my T to, for example, 800 ng/dL, a reduction by 200 ng/dL won't reduce it to low levels but will just return it to my base line level.

I was told proviron is good for high aromatizes, but bad for low aromatizes. Sadly, I didn't completely understand what this is supposed to mean, though I think I may already have some understanding of why it's not good idea. For example, for people with low aromatization, reduced T could mean even lower aromatization, which bad for estrogen, I suppose?

But can you tell me if it's good for me, judging by the lab test results value I provided? Given these values, what can go wrong with testosterone, aromatization, and estrogen in my case?

Thanks.

Its normal but i think you're not normal with your issues if you ask me @GoldenPlague

 

[stevesmi]

stop trying to reinvent the wheel it's really pointless at this point
you realize we've got blood work and we have experience with these compounds so you're not going to be an alien when it comes to these compounds and how they work in your body

 

[Mobster]

These results are from before I started my current SERM treatment for provincial subhumans and fading and aging human leftovers no one cares about with low testosterone:

Estradiol (estrogen): 92.80pmol/L / Reference: 28.0 - 156.0

Testosterone: 18.20nmol/L / Reference: 8.64 - 29.00

Free testosterone: 26.13pg/mL / Reference: 15.00 - 50.00

What I want right now is to get more free T without getting total T crashed or significantly reduced to hypogonadal levels.

Proviron is an androgen, meaning it will always suppress total T, even if it's just a little bit. Suppression is something that will definitely happen, but the extent depends on other things. Suppression by proviron is significantly weaker than suppression by other steroids.

So, here is my idea.

If I take proviron when my levels are at 500-600 ng/dL, it may suppress my T by 200 ng/dL, reducing it to 300-400 ng/dL, which is very low. However, if I increase my T to, for example, 800 ng/dL, a reduction by 200 ng/dL won't reduce it to low levels but will just return it to my base line level.

I was told proviron is good for high aromatizes, but bad for low aromatizes. Sadly, I didn't completely understand what this is supposed to mean, though I think I may already have some understanding of why it's not good idea. For example, for people with low aromatization, reduced T could mean even lower aromatization, which bad for estrogen, I suppose?

But can you tell me if it's good for me, judging by the lab test results value I provided? Given these values, what can go wrong with testosterone, aromatization, and estrogen in my case?

Thanks.

Stop insulting humanity

 

[ceo]

Bros proviron don't aromatize

 

[ROIDDERS]

you need to read the articles you're not correct on some of the things you say

 

[chesty]

listen to the podcast on these compounds

 

[Ulter]

proviron doesn't suppress everyone

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

This thread/post was reviewed by our Medical Review board.

 

[e2]

you know you ask a lot of questions how old are you

 

[2Thick]

proviron been used for decades. you aren't coming up with any new information

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

you are overthinking things just take it it's not gonna kill you

 

[MONSTRO]

Monstro says you need to come here so I can show you how to be a real man

 

[GoldenPlague]

Stop insulting humanity

I was referring to myself. I'm an aging and fading 23 years old provincial element, a dehumanized wage-cuck literally no one gives a fck about.

 

[GoldenPlague]

stop trying to reinvent the wheel it's really pointless at this point
you realize we've got blood work and we have experience with these compounds so you're not going to be an alien when it comes to these compounds and how they work in your body

Yes, I know. So, if I use proviron, my body should react in a similar way as your does.

So, how much suppression of T did you get when using proviron without also using any exogenous testosterone (here I assume you have used proviron that way).

My goal is getting more free T without suppressing total T to unhealthy levels.

 

[GoldenPlague]

And I have one more question. Since proviron binds to SHBG, that will free more testosterone, yes, but what happens to estrogen? Estrogen is also a sex hormones, meaning more of it will be freed, too. To what extent can proviron increase estrogen levels in such case?

 

[s.gentz]

So, if I use proviron, my body should react in a similar way as your does.

No, everyone is different. Proviron is such a weak steroid that there is no benefit to using it solo. It's used for synergy with other AAS.

My goal is getting more free T without suppressing total T to unhealthy levels.

Your free T if fine. More free T just means more unbound T. If you were on the low end then you would want it higher but your levels are good.

To what extent can proviron increase estrogen levels in such case?

Prob none directly. Estrogen will follow test. When test rises, estrogen follows.


You are wasting time and money on this experiment. You are not going to achieve what you are looking for.

 

[Phill]

you are not considering that test and free test are related.
less testosterone consequently means less free testosterone.

if you take proviron and suppress testosterone you will also have less free testosterone.

 

[GoldenPlague]

No, everyone is different. Proviron is such a weak steroid that there is no benefit to using it solo. It's used for synergy with other AAS.


Your free T if fine. More free T just means more unbound T. If you were on the low end then you would want it higher but your levels are good.


Prob none directly. Estrogen will follow test. When test rises, estrogen follows.


You are wasting time and money on this experiment. You are not going to achieve what you are looking for.

Doesn't more free T mean more masculinization and anabolism?

And I didn't say I want to use proviron for muscle growth. I want to use it for reducing SHBG and increasing free T.

As for estrogen, it's converted from total T, not free T. So, more free T doesn't mean more estrogen.

 

[GoldenPlague]

you are not considering that test and free test are related.
less testosterone consequently means less free testosterone.

if you take proviron and suppress testosterone you will also have less free testosterone.

Correct. And that's why I asked if clomid and enclo can help prevent T suppression during proviron use.