Lean Mass Cycle

[goldfinger]

Hello everyone, I'm new to Evo but really liking the "helping" atmosphere here, big step up from other U.S. forums I've visited.

I recently finished my 3rd cycle which was a 12 week cycle consisting of Test E 250mg e5d, Primobolan 500mg e5d, and Anavar 40mg ed (week 1-6). Had great results and really liked the slow and steady muscle building component of Primo, and would like to replicate the effects in my next cycle.

Some stats:

Age : 25
Weight : 220
Height: 6'
Training: 7 years of training, 5 of which were natural.
BF: 15%
Diet: High protein, at least 250g per day through Chicken, Salmon, Greek yoghurt, Eggs/Egg whites, protein shakes etc.

Suggested Cycle:

Week 1-4: 40mg Anavar Ed
Week 1-15: 250mg Test E Monday / Thursday
Week 1-15: 300mg EQ Monday /Thursday

AI:

Arimidex 0.25mg ed

PCT:

Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
HCG 500iu Eod for the duration of the PCT.

Supplements:

N2guard
Omega3 Fish oil.

Now, on to my questions:

1) I would really like to keep lean and "non-bloated" throughout the cycle, and thus my concern is the amount of Test E I should run. I know that I can control the bloat through diet and cardio, also the arimidex should help with that, but what do you guys think of running 250mg Test E e5d VS 500mg Test E e5d?

2) This would be the first time I use an AI during the cycle, never needed to before as the amount of aromatisation in my cycles was always low. 0.25mg Arimidex ed seems to be a good starting point to me, would you recommend something else?

3) Are there any other protective supplements you can recommend?

Thank you.

 

[TBol]

Hello everyone, I'm new to Evo but really liking the "helping" atmosphere here, big step up from other U.S. forums I've visited.

I recently finished my 3rd cycle which was a 12 week cycle consisting of Test E 250mg e5d, Primobolan 500mg e5d, and Anavar 40mg ed (week 1-6). Had great results and really liked the slow and steady muscle building component of Primo, and would like to replicate the effects in my next cycle.

Some stats:

Age : 25
Weight : 220
Height: 6'
Training: 7 years of training, 5 of which were natural.
BF: 15%
Diet: High protein, at least 250g per day through Chicken, Salmon, Greek yoghurt, Eggs/Egg whites, protein shakes etc.

Suggested Cycle:

Week 1-4: 40mg Anavar Ed
Week 1-15: 250mg Test E Monday / Thursday
Week 1-15: 300mg EQ Monday /Thursday

AI:

Arimidex 0.25mg ed

PCT:

Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
HCG 500iu Eod for the duration of the PCT.

Supplements:

N2guard
Omega3 Fish oil.

Now, on to my questions:

1) I would really like to keep lean and "non-bloated" throughout the cycle, and thus my concern is the amount of Test E I should run. I know that I can control the bloat through diet and cardio, also the arimidex should help with that, but what do you guys think of running 250mg Test E e5d VS 500mg Test E e5d?

2) This would be the first time I use an AI during the cycle, never needed to before as the amount of aromatisation in my cycles was always low. 0.25mg Arimidex ed seems to be a good starting point to me, would you recommend something else?

3) Are there any other protective supplements you can recommend?

Thank you.

Why not run Test prop and Halo or Tbol?
LIV 52 is a good liver support sup

 

[MikeSnow]

Test E 500mg a week is plenty in my opinion especially if you respond well to test. I'd run aromasin personally because it is a suicide AI and also is great for PCT. 2x a week pin I'd definitely stick with over e5d. HCG should be used the last few weeks going into PCT not during PCT.. Nolva is suspect in PCT but It works for a lot of people, I'd stick with clomid and aromasin personally plus something like HCgen ES or TestStack unleashed/post cycle combo. If you are running N2guard throughout the cycle you are covered nearly everywhere, just consider giving blood on EQ for the RBC count increase, and either up your EQ dosage a little bit or stretch this out to 16 weeks minimum for EQ gains to solidify

 

[goldfinger]

Why not run Test prop and Halo or Tbol?
LIV 52 is a good liver support sup

Never ran t-prop, halo or Tbol before, and I like to introduce 1 new compound at a time. I know Test-E and Anavar works well for me so I'd like to keep those and add EQ as the new compound.

Thanks for the tip.

 

[goldfinger]

Test E 500mg a week is plenty in my opinion especially if you respond well to test. I'd run aromasin personally because it is a suicide AI and also is great for PCT. 2x a week pin I'd definitely stick with over e5d. HCG should be used the last few weeks going into PCT not during PCT.. Nolva is suspect in PCT but It works for a lot of people, I'd stick with clomid and aromasin personally plus something like HCgen ES or TestStack unleashed/post cycle combo. If you are running N2guard throughout the cycle you are covered nearly everywhere, just consider giving blood on EQ for the RBC count increase, and either up your EQ dosage a little bit or stretch this out to 16 weeks minimum for EQ gains to solidify

Thanks for the response.

500mg Test E a week is the highest I wanna go, thats why I'm considering 250mg Test E e5d instead. I've seen different opinions on how HCG should be used, your standpoint, and then some guys advised me to actually start it 5-7 days after the last inject, guess its a matter of opinion. Nolva works well on me imo, never tried Clomid.

Regarding Aromasin, I dont have much knowledge of the substance. I'm from northern Europe originally and we dont really use it, most guys do arimidex, is there a big difference?

 

[bulldog333]

Man I would take that EQ dose higher. 600 is just beginning to see it work. If jump that dose to 800 or more. As long as you don't have the incredible hunger from it and you keep your diet clean your not going to bloat...I'd also use Aromasin not adex....

 

[MikeSnow]

HcG is an amazing way to kickstart PCT. Let me break it down as simple as possible. You are using two long esters, you can either start HCG after your last pin, or what i'd personally recommend is a week after your last pin so things have cleared a little more. Example

1-16 Test E

16-18 HcG 1000IU a week or
17-19 HcG 1000IU a week (my preference)

18-24 PCT or
19-25 PCT

Did you read my post man? I answered your questions but if you want to run HcG in PCT thats up to you but I highly advise against it

 

[goldfinger]

HcG is an amazing way to kickstart PCT. Let me break it down as simple as possible. You are using two long esters, you can either start HCG after your last pin, or what i'd personally recommend is a week after your last pin so things have cleared a little more. Example

1-16 Test E

16-18 HcG 1000IU a week or
17-19 HcG 1000IU a week (my preference)

18-24 PCT or
19-25 PCT

Did you read my post man? I answered your questions but if you want to run HcG in PCT thats up to you but I highly advise against it

Sorry about that, I misunderstood your first post. I thought you meant to start the HCG during the last 2 weeks of the cycle, now I see what you mean though.

Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[MikeSnow]

Sorry about that, I misunderstood your first post. I thought you meant to start the HCG during the last 2 weeks of the cycle, now I see what you mean though.

Thanks for clarifying that.

You can always use HcGenerate (capsules) It works wonders for going into PCT. HcG itself when used correctly really elevates everything prior to PCT though

 

[goldfinger]

You can always use HcGenerate (capsules) It works wonders for going into PCT. HcG itself when used correctly really elevates everything prior to PCT though

Gotcha, I'll use HCG as a kickstart to my PCT then. Just watched the EVO youtube video on HCG and it makes sense now.

 

[amlabs]

Primo and var, your money would be better spent on masteron or if you were up for it tren ace.
The big thing with the lean mass is to run it for a decent amount of time and go slow .5-1 pound a week. Keep your diet clean and stay on the cardio through out.
AM

 

[goldfinger]

My money would be better spent on masteron for gaining lean mass? I doubt that very much. Furthermore, as I mentioned in my post, I ran Primo and Var in my last cycle and I'm trying to replace the Primo with EQ in this cycle to see how I react to it.

 

[MikeSnow]

Dude AMlabs I don't know who you are but you need to stop posting bullshit. Goldfinger, EQ is great for real lean gains just takes a long time for EQ to shine. EQ with primo would be magic for lean gains and ones you can keep

 

[goldfinger]

Yeah I figured he's either trolling or just doesn't know much about AAS. I'm glad to hear that, I will definetly utilize the EQ. I loved Primo and the results it gave me, stacking it with EQ must be pretty damn good, only downside is it'll turn out to be quite a pricey cycle if I were to.

Definetly worth considering though.

 

[MikeSnow]

Yeah I figured he's either trolling or just doesn't know much about AAS. I'm glad to hear that, I will definetly utilize the EQ. I loved Primo and the results it gave me, stacking it with EQ must be pretty damn good, only downside is it'll turn out to be quite a pricey cycle if I were to.

Definetly worth considering though.

Very pricey, run EQ at least 16 weeks though man at 600+. Test +EQ will yield amazing results, it's not the gear man its how you train and more importantly your diet. I'm running something similar soon but gonna finish off with some winny

 

[lancer55]

I was about to ask, have you considered finishing it off with winstrol?

 

[goldfinger]

I was about to ask, have you considered finishing it off with winstrol?

I've thought about it. I've previously stayed away from Winstrol due to the negative effects on your joints, but I'm guessing the EQ might offset that?

 

[amlabs]

Yeah I figured he's either trolling or just doesn't know much about AAS. I'm glad to hear that, I will definetly utilize the EQ. I loved Primo and the results it gave me, stacking it with EQ must be pretty damn good, only downside is it'll turn out to be quite a pricey cycle if I were to.

Definetly worth considering though.

Far from a troll been using gear longer than most. You want lean mass tren is by far the best out there. Primo var are way over priced. EQ is great but you need to pump the dose up or wait 4 months

 

[RickRock]

I've thought about it. I've previously stayed away from Winstrol due to the negative effects on your joints, but I'm guessing the EQ might offset that?

As long as you have enough estrogen from other compounds and don't exceed 50mg per day, Winstrol should be very easy on your joints. It's one of my favorite drugs and its a perfect finisher

 

[goldfinger]

Far from a troll been using gear longer than most. You want lean mass tren is by far the best out there. Primo var are way over priced. EQ is great but you need to pump the dose up or wait 4 months

Well telling people to use masteron for lean mass gives off a trollish vibe to me at least, whats you're reasoning behind it?

I aware that Tren is the "ultimate" steroid for what I'm seeking, but I'm nowhere near ready to use tren in my opinon and I'd like to save it for last, if I'll ever use it even.

What do you mean by wait 4 months?