Legit steroid websites

[Eddie Haskell]

There's Nothing to Agree or Disagree about.

Sure there is. So I will asset that we'll have to agree to disagree about that, too.

You are taking your Experience ~ 1 Person.
And trying to make it fit to Dozens of others.

But that isn't the case. For I too network with other bodybuilders as well as other bodybuilding-related internet forums.
As I have mentioned on several occasions, I train at Venice, California's Gold Gym one day per week. It was at that very Gold's that was turned on to Naps/Promedications.cc by no fewer than seven very large and very accomplished bodybuilders, four of whom are regulars at Venice's Muscle Beach.
So, yeah, I tend to listen to those guys.

You just Prove my Point ~ Naps is a Selective Scammer!

I fail to see how I proved your point. But okay.

That means, Not everyone is Scammed, or has their Order Changed.

But again, I know at least a dozen guys who have been using Naps/Promedications for the past several years, yet none of them have ever been scammed, and nor have I ever been scammed - not one time over the past seven years.
So if Naps/Promedications is a "selective scammer," what were the odds that none of us would have been scammed at least once throughout these many years? In my estimation, those odds are so astronomically high as to be statistically meaningless.

That's one more thing Naps is Infamous for.
Sending you a Different Product, from what you originally order.

They've never done that to me nor anyone else that I know, or at least not that I know of, but I will ask around.

P.S.
I've been seeing these Posts on every Forum that I belong to, for the Last 3 Years.

So have I. So too have I read horrible reviews of each and every one of Evo's "approved sources" just as surely as I have read very positive reviews about those sources. Ergo, reviews are relatively meaningless.

So am I Hallucinating !

Nope! We simply disagree.

 

[Mobster]

As per a chat of mine with the actual lab guy of a new UK steroid site (he lives less than 10 minutes walk from me) the whole lab thing is thus:

Nearly every site starts out 'legit'. They produce solid products and send out gear with no issues. However, being spot on with their products means they have to compete with scammers. Such scammers include those cutting a few MG's there and there. Others, still sending out products, send out products with a cheaper roid than the one you thought you asked for. Eventually, they get real lazy and just send out oil before finally just taking your money and sending you f' all.

At the same time, in the age of the internet, in order to get a reputation, reps from these sites go on to a few forums. Such forums require aid to stay on line from such sites in the form of sponsorship. One site will be well known given much kudos on a site it sponsors. On a site it doesn't support it'll be slagged off something chronic by supporters of other sites and forums. And, as I've reminded this sites users, making roids is illegal in most countries because we're not dealing with pharma companies with licenses. In other words those making the are criminals. Buyers often break the law by buying the roids. Yet we debate the legitimacy of one illegal / criminal maker of drugs over another. It borders on farcical if you think about it.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

As per a chat of mine with the actual lab guy of a new UK steroid site (he lives less than 10 minutes walk from me) the whole lab thing is thus:


Nearly every site starts out 'legit'. They produce solid products and send out gear with no issues. However, being spot on with their products means they have to compete with scammers. Such scammers include those cutting a few MG's there and there. Others, still sending out products, send out products with a cheaper roid than the one you thought you asked for. Eventually, they get real lazy and just send out oil before finally just taking your money and sending you f' all.

Although I think that this thread has been more centered around the discussion of a distributor of AAS rather than a producer of AAS, that is interesting nonetheless.

So are you saying, Mobster, that just just like, say, automobile-manufactiring firms are compelled by the laws of the capitalist system to constantly reduce costs in order to stay competitive relative to their rivals, so too are UGLs so compelled? In other words, that UGLs are eventually compelled to behave fraudulently in order to stay in business?

At the same time, in the age of the internet, in order to get a reputation, reps from these sites go on to a few forums. Such forums require aid to stay on line from such sites in the form of sponsorship. One site will be well known given much kudos on a site it sponsors. On a site it doesn't support it'll be slagged off something chronic by supporters of other sites and forums. And, as I've reminded this sites users, making roids is illegal in most countries because we're not dealing with pharma companies with licenses. In other words those making the are criminals. Buyers often break the law by buying the roids. Yet we debate the legitimacy of one illegal / criminal maker of drugs over another. It borders on farcical if you think about it.

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"One site will be well known given much kudos on a site it sponsors. On a site it doesn't support it'll be slagged off something chronic by supporters of other sites and forums.

Given that the internet is replete with examples of that, that is quite true. Ergo, and as I stated previously, this type of thing renders all source reviews as well as the phrase “approved sources” largely meaningless.

In other words, those making the gear are criminals. Buyers often break the law by buying the roids. Yet we debate the legitimacy of one illegal/criminal maker of drugs over another. It borders on farcical if you think about it.

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I quite agree; it is indeed all so farcical. But it is what we have - in fact, it is (all) that we have. Therefore, we are obliged to operate within a system that we have absolutely no control over. It is, to be sure, a constraint born of the idiocy known as the 1994 Steroid Control Act.

But again, and just to reiterate, we haven’t been debating the specifics surrounding UGLs. Rather, we have been discussing a particular steroid distributor; one that is not also a steroid producer, or at least not to my knowledge.

With that said, though, I certainly haven’t a problem with Mobster having added a closely related aspect of that discussion.

 

[muskate]

At the end of the day - who anyone decides to order from is their decision.

We made the source reviews section to try and help people. It's just a source of information. It allows people to write reviews on sources for other people to read.

Kind of the like the reviews on amazon.com. If you decide to buy a product even though all the reviews are negative - that's your decision and your money. Just don't blame anyone if you aren't happy with the product once you get it.

 

[Mobster]

@Eddie. You previously asked what I felt was the relevant question - if Naps is ok why don't they sign up? Regarding the lab question - it does seem to be the model or pattern for what happens all too often

 

[stevesmi]

I've been here since day 1. there was a time where it was a free for all with sources. the bigger sources who had active reps would bully the smaller sources or new sources. it was like a 3rd grade playground.

then the scammers started in. at first it was the source didn't send a few vials.. then it started growing.. the biggest scammer took members for 35K i think. it was a disaster. people have a great way of fucking up a good thing.

now to become approved you need to practically stick your dick into a vice. it is hard for a reason. and even so we just had a canadian source get busted last year. and no sources do not pay the site a penny but they do have to contribute and help members by posting. fair is fair

the way things are on here is the best vs. other sites that charge sources a fee to be on. what ends up happening is everyone just fights with each other for business when things slow down.

 

[Mobster]

I've been here since day 1. there was a time where it was a free for all with sources. the bigger sources who had active reps would bully the smaller sources or new sources. it was like a 3rd grade playground.

then the scammers started in. at first it was the source didn't send a few vials.. then it started growing.. the biggest scammer took members for 35K i think. it was a disaster. people have a great way of fucking up a good thing.

now to become approved you need to practically stick your dick into a vice. it is hard for a reason. and even so we just had a canadian source get busted last year. and no sources do not pay the site a penny but they do have to contribute and help members by posting. fair is fair

the way things are on here is the best vs. other sites that charge sources a fee to be on. what ends up happening is everyone just fights with each other for business when things slow down.

Exactly that. We've the same little dogs fighting between two local suppliers.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I guess it just comes back to the fact that making, distributing, and using steroids is illegal in most countries you guys are from. So there is no way to make sure 100% you have a legit source that will always stay that way. Buyer beware.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

@Eddie. You previously asked what I felt was the relevant question - if Naps is ok why don't they sign up?

Yes, in my estimation, Naps/Promedications.cc should become an Evo' sponsor. So, yeah, I think that Naps/Promedications.cc is an "ok" source. Of course the evidence for that opinion is strictly of an anecdotal nature. But what were the odds that I and several of my friends who also order from Naps/Promedications.cc would never have been scammed by said source?
Hell, I've been ordering from them on a regular basis for the past seven years, and all of my aforementioned friends have been ordering from them for more than seven years.
Anyway, we're beating a horse that died a long time ago. So...


I wrote: "So are you saying, Mobster, that just just like, say, automobile-manufactiring firms are compelled by the laws of the capitalist system to constantly reduce costs in order to stay competitive relative to their rivals, so too are UGLs so compelled? In other words, that UGLs are eventually compelled to behave fraudulently in order to stay in business? "

In response, Mobster wrote:

Regarding the lab question - it does seem to be the model or pattern for what happens all too often

I don't know about that a here's why. Yes, the likes of Merck and, say, Pfizer are certainly subject to the laws of capitalism that I mentioned above, but UGLs are not subject to those laws precisely because they are UGLs/"criminal" operations. As such, they - the UGLs do not pay taxes. They do not have to abide by costly regulations. They do not pay any kind of workers compensation insurance nor unemployment insurance. And they're not paying their employees anywhere close to what pharma companies pay their employees. Therefore, aside from the law of supply and demand, UGLs are not even compelled to compete against other UGLs, let alone big pharma companies.
So with all due respect, I don't think that the "good" UGLs are all that concerned about the abusive practices of the "bad" UGLs. In fact, I think that the "good" UGLs know that they will succeed by way of not scamming people - by way of selling well-dosed products at reasonable prices, and by way of good customer service.
Yeah, I think that the "good" UGLs know that they will survive as the spammers put themselves out of business through their abusive practices.

 

[Mobster]

LOL @ Eddie. Greed Eddie, pure and simple. We're talking about illicit drugs here FFS. Now I know it's not coke or weed but the same rules apply. Everyone needs to make 'change'.

 

[stevesmi]

Exactly that. We've the same little dogs fighting between two local suppliers.

look whats happening right now with syntha. people are fighting. and they are an approved source, there is always going to be politics with sources/reps/customers. just the way it is with anything

 

[Eddie Haskell]

LOL @ Eddie. Greed Eddie, pure and simple. We're talking about illicit drugs here FFS. Now I know it's not coke or weed but the same rules apply. Everyone needs to make 'change'.

Indeed. As such and again, though, outlaw drug dealers are largely immune from the traditional economic laws born of the capitalist system of production, which changes everything.

Moving on...

 

[Eddie Haskell]

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[muskate]

People are always going to argue. People always feel their source or their product is the best. That's just how it is.

Apple will always fight with Microsoft. You will have people on both sides of the picket fence. That's life.

 

[Mobster]

look whats happening right now with syntha. people are fighting. and they are an approved source, there is always going to be politics with sources/reps/customers. just the way it is with anything

100%. I'd prefer to see bog standard members reporting suppliers etc. As it is it's an imperfect system. I'm not sure what the answer is.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

People are always going to argue. People always feel their source or their product is the best. That's just how it is.

Apple will [/U]always fight with Microsoft. You will have people on both sides of the picket fence. That's life.

That is all quite true. What I find to be offensive, however, is the fact that many guys seek to disparage any and all sources that are either not their favorite sources or, yet more telling, sources that are not "approved sources." I think that such defensiveness bespeaks a certain level of desperation.

 

[gearhead]

That is all quite true. What I find to be offensive, however, is the fact that many guys seek to disparage any and all sources that are either not their favorite sources or, yet more telling, sources that are not "approved sources." I think that such defensiveness bespeaks a certain level of desperation.

bro approved sources are approved for a reason...any source can get approved if they want access...too many scammers and selective scammers out there bro....

 

[muskate]

That is all quite true. What I find to be offensive, however, is the fact that many guys seek to disparage any and all sources that are either not their favorite sources or, yet more telling, sources that are not "approved sources." I think that such defensiveness bespeaks a certain level of desperation.

You actually don't need to pay or anything like that to become an approved source. All you need to do to become an approved source is provide certificates of analysis showing that your gear is legit and meets label claims.

Any source can become an approved source. They just need to PM @gearhead

 

[Mobster]

That is all quite true. What I find to be offensive, however, is the fact that many guys seek to disparage any and all sources that are either not their favorite sources or, yet more telling, sources that are not "approved sources." I think that such defensiveness bespeaks a certain level of desperation.

Exactly. I see it as business rivalry. Hence my suggestion that VIPs and approved sources aren't the ones to bring up scammers

 

[stevesmi]

That is all quite true. What I find to be offensive, however, is the fact that many guys seek to disparage any and all sources that are either not their favorite sources or, yet more telling, sources that are not "approved sources." I think that such defensiveness bespeaks a certain level of desperation.

actually this forum has very little of that, go to any other forum and all it is are insults back and forth about how a source sucks etc.