Low T, but phony doctor refuses TRT

[GoldenPlague]

In the previous thread, where I said I I got TRT, I lied. I was still not ready with the tests, but still published the thread for the sake of fun. I didn't do any testosterone tests back then. Basically, I made up the whole story.

So, today my testosterone test was done and the results are now ready.

Here are the results

Testosterone: 20.90nmol/L
Free testosterone: 28.83pg/mL

The reference values

Testosterone: 8.64 - 29.00
Free testosterone: 15.00 - 50.00

These are the results I got after trying my best to get the lowest values possible. For more than 5 months, I haven't slept properly most of the time (almost always less than 6 hours, never more than 8 hours). The night before the test, I slept less than 6 hours. Additionally, I stopped consuming animal cholesterol (e.g. yolks, meat, etc...), because I know the body needs cholesterol and animal fat to produce testosterone.

Well, I didn't intentionally lack sleep... I had a lot of personal work to do with my hobby software projects, which is why I didn't sleep properly. But I was happy with the lack of sleep, because I expected the lack of sleep will reduce my testosterone to very low levels so I CAN HAVE AN EXCUSE TO DEMAND synthetic testosterone.

I wanted to have very low testosterone so I can make a case to get not just a TRT dose, but a TRT dose that will bring my testosterone levels to the upper limit, a super physiological 1,000 ng/dL!!! I planned to lie that I have low T testosterone. However, the plan didn't work.

So to put it simply, I can't and won't get low T naturally, no matter how hard I try.

I think my testosterone value represents a 600 ng/dL level, which is not super physiological (1,000 ng/dL).

I talked to a doctor, but he refused to give me TRT and told me no doctor will give me a TRT.

The debate is over. In Bulgaria, I won't get TRT. That's it.

The "getting TRT in Bulgaria" discussion ends here.

I heard the US has much more freedom in regards of TRT. Can I go to the US and say to a doctor I will pay for anything about TRT, and won't expect any money from insurance? If I do this, will I get a TRT?

Although my testosterone level appears normal, my free testosterone level is DEFINITELY at a low value. Can I go to the US and use this as an excuse to get a TRT dose that will bring my testosterone levels to super physiological levels, surpassing what can be achieved naturally in the context of protein synthesis, DHT and hair follicles?

It seems my body has a problem metabolizing free testosterone. I think I have low DHT, too. I'm not very masculinized, facially, don't have dense and black beard, although I have powerful body hair growth in black color and is thick and hard, with multiple hairs coming from the same place, especially at chest and back area. On hands, hair is much softer.

I also lack spontaneous and morning erections, which is something I remember I had when I was in puberty.

So in a nutshell, if I want a legally obtained TRT as a beginning of my steroid journey and a way to test how my body reacts to such substances while I'm being supervised just in case something goes wrong (I'm afraid of doing it home alone - if allergic reaction happens, there won't be anyone to help me), I MUST leave the country.

Tell me what to do and with who to speak. I know you know everything.

I know you know names and addresses of doctors who sell prescriptions for money. Doctors selling prescription for drugs like morphine and various pain-killers is a very American thing. If they sell prescriptions for such serious drugs, they also sell prescriptions for funny, safe and non-serious drugs like anabolic steroids.

Please, don't lie to me and don't pretend you don't know names.

Don't try to stop me.

Anything i want to achieve, I will achieve it. All attempts to stop me will only slow down my progress, but reality won't be changed and I will eventually achieve the objective. No amount of denial and refusal to help me will ever stop me.

Be honest with me, please.

Yes, I know I don't need TRT for medical purposes. I need TRT for other purposes I already explained in many of my previous threads.

Also, tell me what do you think about my testosterone values and the free T value. Do you think I have T metabolization problems, since I have a normal T, but a low free T?

What do you think, guys?

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

In the previous thread, where I said I I got TRT, I lied. I was still not ready with the tests, but still published the thread for the sake of fun. I didn't do any testosterone tests back then. Basically, I made up the whole story.

So, today my testosterone test was done and the results are now ready.

Here are the results

Testosterone: 20.90nmol/L
Free testosterone: 28.83pg/mL

The reference values

Testosterone: 8.64 - 29.00
Free testosterone: 15.00 - 50.00

These are the results I got after trying my best to get the lowest values possible. For more than 5 months, I haven't slept properly most of the time (almost always less than 6 hours, never more than 8 hours). The night before the test, I slept less than 6 hours. Additionally, I stopped consuming animal cholesterol (e.g. yolks, meat, etc...), because I know the body needs cholesterol and animal fat to produce testosterone.

Well, I didn't intentionally lack sleep... I had a lot of personal work to do with my hobby software projects, which is why I didn't sleep properly. But I was happy with the lack of sleep, because I expected the lack of sleep will reduce my testosterone to very low levels so I CAN HAVE AN EXCUSE TO DEMAND synthetic testosterone.

I wanted to have very low testosterone so I can make a case to get not just a TRT dose, but a TRT dose that will bring my testosterone levels to the upper limit, a super physiological 1,000 ng/dL!!! I planned to lie that I have low T testosterone. However, the plan didn't work.

So to put it simply, I can't and won't get low T naturally, no matter how hard I try.

I think my testosterone value represents a 600 ng/dL level, which is not super physiological (1,000 ng/dL).

I talked to a doctor, but he refused to give me TRT and told me no doctor will give me a TRT.

The debate is over. In Bulgaria, I won't get TRT. That's it.

The "getting TRT in Bulgaria" discussion ends here.

I heard the US has much more freedom in regards of TRT. Can I go to the US and say to a doctor I will pay for anything about TRT, and won't expect any money from insurance? If I do this, will I get a TRT?

Although my testosterone level appears normal, my free testosterone level is DEFINITELY at a low value. Can I go to the US and use this as an excuse to get a TRT dose that will bring my testosterone levels to super physiological levels, surpassing what can be achieved naturally in the context of protein synthesis, DHT and hair follicles?

It seems my body has a problem metabolizing free testosterone. I think I have low DHT, too. I'm not very masculinized, facially, don't have dense and black beard, although I have powerful body hair growth in black color and is thick and hard, with multiple hairs coming from the same place, especially at chest and back area. On hands, hair is much softer.

I also lack spontaneous and morning erections, which is something I remember I had when I was in puberty.

So in a nutshell, if I want a legally obtained TRT as a beginning of my steroid journey and a way to test how my body reacts to such substances while I'm being supervised just in case something goes wrong (I'm afraid of doing it home alone - if allergic reaction happens, there won't be anyone to help me), I MUST leave the country.

Tell me what to do and with who to speak. I know you know everything.

I know you know names and addresses of doctors who sell prescriptions for money. Doctors selling prescription for drugs like morphine and various pain-killers is a very American thing. If they sell prescriptions for such serious drugs, they also sell prescriptions for funny, safe and non-serious drugs like anabolic steroids.

Please, don't lie to me and don't pretend you don't know names.

Don't try to stop me.

Anything i want to achieve, I will achieve it. All attempts to stop me will only slow down my progress, but reality won't be changed and I will eventually achieve the objective. No amount of denial and refusal to help me will ever stop me.

Be honest with me, please.

Yes, I know I don't need TRT for medical purposes. I need TRT for other purposes I already explained in many of my previous threads.

Also, tell me what do you think about my testosterone values and the free T value. Do you think I have T metabolization problems, since I have a normal T, but a low free T?

What do you think, guys?

@GoldenPlague wait you made up the whole store? how do we know you didnt make up this story?
listen we really are concerned about your mental health here so its not clear

 

[s.gentz]

In the previous thread, where I said I I got TRT, I lied. I was still not ready with the tests, but still published the thread for the sake of fun. I didn't do any testosterone tests back then. Basically, I made up the whole story.

So, today my testosterone test was done and the results are now ready.

Here are the results

Testosterone: 20.90nmol/L
Free testosterone: 28.83pg/mL

The reference values

Testosterone: 8.64 - 29.00
Free testosterone: 15.00 - 50.00

These are the results I got after trying my best to get the lowest values possible. For more than 5 months, I haven't slept properly most of the time (almost always less than 6 hours, never more than 8 hours). The night before the test, I slept less than 6 hours. Additionally, I stopped consuming animal cholesterol (e.g. yolks, meat, etc...), because I know the body needs cholesterol and animal fat to produce testosterone.

Well, I didn't intentionally lack sleep... I had a lot of personal work to do with my hobby software projects, which is why I didn't sleep properly. But I was happy with the lack of sleep, because I expected the lack of sleep will reduce my testosterone to very low levels so I CAN HAVE AN EXCUSE TO DEMAND synthetic testosterone.

I wanted to have very low testosterone so I can make a case to get not just a TRT dose, but a TRT dose that will bring my testosterone levels to the upper limit, a super physiological 1,000 ng/dL!!! I planned to lie that I have low T testosterone. However, the plan didn't work.

So to put it simply, I can't and won't get low T naturally, no matter how hard I try.

I think my testosterone value represents a 600 ng/dL level, which is not super physiological (1,000 ng/dL).

I talked to a doctor, but he refused to give me TRT and told me no doctor will give me a TRT.

The debate is over. In Bulgaria, I won't get TRT. That's it.

The "getting TRT in Bulgaria" discussion ends here.

I heard the US has much more freedom in regards of TRT. Can I go to the US and say to a doctor I will pay for anything about TRT, and won't expect any money from insurance? If I do this, will I get a TRT?

Although my testosterone level appears normal, my free testosterone level is DEFINITELY at a low value. Can I go to the US and use this as an excuse to get a TRT dose that will bring my testosterone levels to super physiological levels, surpassing what can be achieved naturally in the context of protein synthesis, DHT and hair follicles?

It seems my body has a problem metabolizing free testosterone. I think I have low DHT, too. I'm not very masculinized, facially, don't have dense and black beard, although I have powerful body hair growth in black color and is thick and hard, with multiple hairs coming from the same place, especially at chest and back area. On hands, hair is much softer.

I also lack spontaneous and morning erections, which is something I remember I had when I was in puberty.

So in a nutshell, if I want a legally obtained TRT as a beginning of my steroid journey and a way to test how my body reacts to such substances while I'm being supervised just in case something goes wrong (I'm afraid of doing it home alone - if allergic reaction happens, there won't be anyone to help me), I MUST leave the country.

Tell me what to do and with who to speak. I know you know everything.

I know you know names and addresses of doctors who sell prescriptions for money. Doctors selling prescription for drugs like morphine and various pain-killers is a very American thing. If they sell prescriptions for such serious drugs, they also sell prescriptions for funny, safe and non-serious drugs like anabolic steroids.

Please, don't lie to me and don't pretend you don't know names.

Don't try to stop me.

Anything i want to achieve, I will achieve it. All attempts to stop me will only slow down my progress, but reality won't be changed and I will eventually achieve the objective. No amount of denial and refusal to help me will ever stop me.

Be honest with me, please.

Yes, I know I don't need TRT for medical purposes. I need TRT for other purposes I already explained in many of my previous threads.

Also, tell me what do you think about my testosterone values and the free T value. Do you think I have T metabolization problems, since I have a normal T, but a low free T?

What do you think, guys?

You need mental help. You’ve completely wasted peoples time on multiple threads with this BS.
Until you post your training, diet and current physique pics I’m out.

 

[Mobster]

If true and lying just makes us question it and 'lying for fun'. ''Hilarious''

1) I've said from day 1 that age 22 is NOT an age to be using never mind on TRT
2) You needed a test and here's that test PROVING you're in range which negates a bunch of your arguments. You NEVER needed it. The gyno you had as a kid didn't matter etc etc
3) You do NOT have low free T. It's right in the middle. Not low, not high - dead centre

You need to accept, regardless of your apparent refusal to do so, that you're normal. Even kinda average hormonally. Heck, I said I might be too. I doubt that I am a 'high T' kinda guy yet there I am killing it with 400+ lbs bench press etc. My emotional approach, maturity and sheer time plugging away + drive to succeed (which you MIGHT have too) is why I have achieved what I set out to do.

Right now you seem determined to prove, if only to yourself, that you are somehow lacking = why you're not there yet. Vs changing your outlook and kicking ass anyway.

 

[GoldenPlague]

how do we know you didnt make up this story?

Well, in this thread, I'm quoting specific numbers and I'm honest. If I wasn't honest, I would have lied about the numbers instead of showing I have a normal T levels, which contradicts all my claims I ever made on this forum about what I expect my T level to be like.

You need mental help. You’ve completely wasted peoples time on multiple threads with this BS.
Until you post your training, diet and current physique pics I’m out.

No, I don't need mental help!
Why don't you just tell me what exactly to do in order to get what I want?

You do NOT have low free T. It's right in the middle. Not low, not high - dead centre

That's exactly what I'm complaining about. I don't want to be average; being average nowadays is NO LONGER a viable option.

I stated multiple times I want my T level to be super physiological, not average or normal, without exceeding natural limits. As far as I know, 1,000 and 1,100/1,200 ng/dL is super physiological, but doesn't exceed natural limits; I mean, that's the upper natural limit.

I can't afford being average. The costs of being average are too high for my well-being and mental health. To feel normal, not happy but normal, I need certain type of stimulation that can't be found in the province but only in specific places I need millions ($$$ $$$) to live in.

The province and the normal life is something that wipes out my dopamine, rendering me emotionally and socially dysfunctional. I already stated what kind of life I want to have and will have, no matter what happens. I already explained I'm planning to build a career in bodybuilding, if not professional, at least amateur.

I must have a life in a luxurious place where I'm surrounded by Tate-like people, billionaires, oligarchs, Ferrari, Lamborghini super cars, private jets, private yachts, mansions, VIP and DELUX whores like Instagram models, and have so much money I can't possibly spend it.

I'm aimed at achieving specific goals, and nothing will stop me.

Only death can stop me. I will either die trying or live the way I want.

I'm choosing death over being average.

I'm ready to use steroids and potentially die because of them, just not to live in the province. I'm ready to risk everything to achieve what I want.

I'm ready to take the risk if taking the risk will give me chance of a billionaire life.

I'm not a crazy or greedy person. It's about neuroplasticity. My neuroplasticity doesn't allow me to be happy as an average person.

Being an average person was an option decades ago; today, it's no longer a viable option.

Now can you understand why I want to use steroids? It's not for medical purposes as you think.

 

[Supertiredwantfood]

The scary thing is, I'm not sure if you're being serious or if you're just taking satire too far

 

[stevesmi]

1. you don't have low T
2. your doctor is correct but because he didn't give you what you want you insult him. like an addict who insults the doctor for not giving them oxy or whatever they are addicted to
3. going on TRT will not solve your issues. guys who claim their lives were shit and then hopped on TRT and now they are acing their opponents on the tennis courts and successful are lying to you. its a ruse. you still will be just as fucked up on trt as you would off of trt.
4. if you don't 'want to be average' then hop on the sauce just like everyone else on this forum. however like #3, if you think hopping on the sauce will make you special then you are fooling yourself. most steroid users are just more muscular and stronger versions of their prior selves. it doesn't make us any more special cause we use steroids lol. in fact, i would say using steroids as knocked me down a few pegs when it comes to my financial situation. steroids are EXPENSIVE and bodybuilding is EXPENSIVE. i've sat down and calculated how much i spend on bodybuilding over the past 15 some years and its sickened me. the gym memberships, steroids, lost time from work, lost time from a business, food, water, supplements, ancillaries, pct's, doctors visits, bloodwork.. this shit adds up. i would actually wager it is more expensive then other hobbies like boating or golf even. and i started this shit at 28/29. you want to start at 22 then be my guest. it would be a waste of my time to convince to focus on your education because every single person my age wishes they had done just that.

 

[Mobster]

His numbers would be higher so it makes what he says more BS. Those were what he produced after trying to artificially push them down

 

[s.gentz]

tated multiple times I want my T level to be super physiological, not average or normal, without exceeding natural limits

You do realize that you are YOUR natural limit right now.
But I’m sure your going to argue.

 

[stevesmi]

His numbers would be higher so it makes what he says more BS. Those were what he produced after trying to artificially push them down

that and going on trt would merely replace what he naturally produces with synethic test at the same levels anyway
it makes no sense to do that. waste of money and throwing away his own test levels plus he would wreck his fertility permanently most likely
his doctor is actually saving him here and he bashes him for it
had he gone to an anti aging clinic in the USA they would have shook his hand and put him on a monthly plan and gladly hooked him up with anything he wanted cause they only care about $$$.. his doctor is fantastic and CARES

 

[Mobster]

What Stevesmi says about being happy after is true.

There's a great deal of truth to a saying regarding becoming rich or winning the lotto. If you're typically miserable poor then you'll just be a rich miserable SOB. Equally if your outlook is good poor then it'll be fkin amazing rich. There are, of course, drivers for what makes us want to improve ourselves physically but yours are all over the place. From wanting to be around Tate etc to a better body. If I am tied to my strength (possible) it's completely unrelated to who I live near to. F**k it Tate can admire me lol

If you can be more positive you'll actually be more successful on or off. If only and for no other reason that being down on yourself and all that this means makes it that much harder and tends to catabolism vs anbolism. About the only time I can sound 'off' is when I'm verbally kicking my ass working myself up into the right mind set to do heavy shit

 

[Supertiredwantfood]

Someone needs to just say it, if you're being serious. Unless you are already very wealthy, highly skilled, intelligent and have financial and business advisors at your disposal, you will never get there. You said in a previous post you cannot even afford gear and yet you're desiring being so rich you have money spilling out of your pockets - not to mention you are completely unstable. Even if you did achieve this, it would not make you happy. You are expecting and desiring a life that doesn't exist. It doesn't even exist for the people that are supposedly living in it. There is no such thing as a luxury whore. Whores are whores. There is no such thing as taking steroids and suddenly being confident in your physique. The people that can afford luxury vehicles and homes are working so much that they cannot even enjoy it the majority of the time, until they retire (many of them never do). if you want to be stuck in a cycle of self-hate, over-consumption, greed, being a whore yourself go ahead and try it, you will not get there anyway. get help.

 

[Mobster]

that and going on trt would merely replace what he naturally produces with synethic test at the same levels anyway
it makes no sense to do that. waste of money and throwing away his own test levels plus he would wreck his fertility permanently most likely
his doctor is actually saving him here and he bashes him for it
had he gone to an anti aging clinic in the USA they would have shook his hand and put him on a monthly plan and gladly hooked him up with anything he wanted cause they only care about $$$.. his doctor is fantastic and CARES

And his own actions as a doc echo what we've said

 

[stevesmi]

Someone needs to just say it, if you're being serious. Unless you are already very wealthy, highly skilled, intelligent and have financial and business advisors at your disposal, you will never get there. You said in a previous post you cannot even afford gear and yet you're desiring being so rich you have money spilling out of your pockets - not to mention you are completely unstable. Even if you did achieve this, it would not make you happy. You are expecting and desiring a life that doesn't exist. It doesn't even exist for the people that are supposedly living in it. There is no such thing as a luxury whore. Whores are whores. There is no such thing as taking steroids and suddenly being confident in your physique. The people that can afford luxury vehicles and homes are working so much that they cannot even enjoy it the majority of the time, until they retire (many of them never do). if you want to be stuck in a cycle of self-hate, over-consumption, greed, being a whore yourself go ahead and try it, you will not get there anyway. get help.

his biggest fault is falling victim to the social media grift

i bet he follows a bunch of lying grifters on facebook and instagram who post pics of houses, lambos and hookers in jacuzzi's all day. little does he know is these guys are lying sacks of shit

take that clown tony huge for example. he lives in a shithole 3rd world country and is married to a mid looking chick. but if you look at his social it looks like he lives in a mansion in Cali, drives ferrari's and has blonde bimbos that he bangs on a regular. and i bet tens of thousands of naive 20 somethings follow him and want his life lol

 

[Mobster]

Someone needs to just say it, if you're being serious. Unless you are already very wealthy, highly skilled, intelligent and have financial and business advisors at your disposal, you will never get there. You said in a previous post you cannot even afford gear and yet you're desiring being so rich you have money spilling out of your pockets - not to mention you are completely unstable. Even if you did achieve this, it would not make you happy. You are expecting and desiring a life that doesn't exist. It doesn't even exist for the people that are supposedly living in it. There is no such thing as a luxury whore. Whores are whores. There is no such thing as taking steroids and suddenly being confident in your physique. The people that can afford luxury vehicles and homes are working so much that they cannot even enjoy it the majority of the time, until they retire (many of them never do). if you want to be stuck in a cycle of self-hate, over-consumption, greed, being a whore yourself go ahead and try it, you will not get there anyway. get help.

True. What a lot of people imagine making them happy does not. If I want I can go out right now and buy a 55-inch big screen TV. Heck a 60+ inch screen. If I ever do it'll only happen when the CRT upstairs blows up lol. I don't need a big screen TV or anything else seen as a marker (there are actual Gov stats for this) for wealth. Yet I outright own my property and have a decent bank balance compared to the av Joe.

I'll go so far as to suggest, as I did in a reply just now,not being hung up on random stuff I don't need really allows me to kick ass in the gym. I can destress there, if I have any (example we had an inquest yesterday for my brother and a gym member was in there today and his mum passed away 2 days ago so we had a chat).

 

[Mobster]

his biggest fault is falling victim to the social media grift

i bet he follows a bunch of lying grifters on facebook and instagram who post pics of houses, lambos and hookers in jacuzzi's all day. little does he know is these guys are lying sacks of shit

take that clown tony huge for example. he lives in a shithole 3rd world country and is married to a mid looking chick. but if you look at his social it looks like he lives in a mansion in Cali, drives ferrari's and has blonde bimbos that he bangs on a regular. and i bet tens of thousands of naive 20 somethings follow him and want his life lol

What about Dan B and his millions from poker etc etc? MIGHT have won something from as poker game. Rich daddy was true. The rest hired models etc

 

[GoldenPlague]

You do realize that you are YOUR natural limit right now.
But I’m sure your going to argue.

Does my testosterone value corresponds to at least 1,000 ng/dL?

 

[s.gentz]

Does my testosterone value corresponds to at least 1,000 ng/dL?

That is not a persons natural limit. That is just a test range. Whatever you are currently producing is YOUR natural limit.

 

[Mobster]

That is not a persons natural limit. That is just a test range. Whatever you are currently producing is YOUR natural limit.

Ahh but he NEEDS it to be 1000.

Or he can wait 3 years and go on cycle... except for the trust with sources issue

 

[s.gentz]

Ahh but he NEEDS it to be 1000.

Or he can wait 3 years and go on cycle... except for the trust with sources issue

Then he can take test to get there. But, we will just keep going in circles.
Still haven't seen anything on training, diet or any pics. I just picture a scrawny kid with 0 self esteem and pubescent gyno that has no idea how to train or eat but thinks drugs will solve all of his issues.