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I log my food, weight, gear and training every single day.
Steps even.
I don’t log it. I can stay accountable without having to log it, most people can also log whatever they want and they might not feel comfortable sharing.
I really feel like you guys shouldn’t push logs onto people, you can still have a positive community, of people interacting and sharing experiences and ideas. But don’t have to log on a platform that’s seen by everyone. Some people feel forced too and can bring negativity to their life’s believe it or not as can cause anxiety in some individuals and stress.
Some of the comments and recommendations made by people in this forum at times is toxic. Whether it’s recommending drugs like tren outside of contest prep, telling someone to add more cardio for no reason or given recommendations with no real thought or reason, or understanding what certain things do Pharmacologically, you can harm someone body physically and mentally.
There really needs to be more education in this forum, as you can lead someone astray.
Yes agree it may benefit someone, off the backbone that the recommendations given are thought out and suitable for the individual and their goals. I feel like some users don’t actually read posts properly and chuck the kitchen sink to attempt to fix something.
Anyways recovering from a surgery needs to be done under supervision of a doctor. We can give insight and educate users to make appropriate decisions for them whether they take a doctors recommendation or ours. But generally we should educate where doctors don’t and show the options available, how it works and why it works, positives and negatives, not “try caber for tren, you will need on hand as prolactin will increase”, I bet you didn’t know you need prolactin present to aid in AR binding? Mitigating prolactin will make tren less effective.
This is just an example what it means to give important information to your members.
Agreed with pretty much all of that.
Nope. But we all learn every day.
On the earlier part of your reply - in my own response (I think it was in this thread - might have been another similar one this week) I said something to the effect of 'do ALL the rehab'. I'm at that age when I get the other older fellas chatting about medical issues. One which stands out is where the fella has had knee surgery. Usually as a result of playing rugby (big here in South Wales as you can imagine). Either from wear or straight forward tendon tears. The ones that did proper full on weeks and weeks of rehab had THE BEST outcomes. Those that avoided it (cos it can fkin hurt) ended up with partial recovery, limps, never playing again even as a senior etc.
Rehab might be specific and is usually time limited (NHS stuff averages 6 weeks and 12 as a max). Those who extend this (sometimes privately) to 16+ weeks get the best results. I've worked with (very nearly did a study with at Brooks) Dr Tom Balchin on stroke rehab (top man in that field). He runs an org called ARNI
The options most docs don't mention (a few do) include TB500 and BPC157 (I've seen too many use this and be very positive about their outcomes to not suggest it), additional therapy inc, but not limited to, massage, cold and heat, massaging the scar tissue - both internal and external (stopping stiffness, range of motion being limited and even adhesion issues), hydro-therapy and more
you might not log it but mentally you log it. when i was powerlifting in my 30's and it was push day i knew exactly how much i could bench and how many reps. you are the same way when you walk into the gym. you don't have to make guesses on that. we don't have to write it down but others do. some of us are more left brained and some are more right brained and some a bit of both. some people need to log it or they won't remember. farmers almanac back in the day was the difference between having a good crop and your family going hungry all winter. now everything is digital and farmers depend on all these stats to help them succeed. bodybuilding is the same way especially with competing and learning from trial and error. average joes trying to figure out tweaks to their diet/training can make a huge difference. hell even getting an extra 30 minutes sleep can make or break recovery. also as mobster said it helps others and that is how we get better.
take my latest log. 9K views. that is pretty good considering i only update it 1-2x a week. but look at all the info i have in it. the recipes, the science, the knowledge that no one else talks about.. things like fodmap, fasting, time restricted eating, bone broth. i've had countless people reach out to me and say they never even knew what bone broth was until they saw my log! now many are making it and getting tons of beneficial collagen to help them heal injuries and help their gut health and boost immune system. same with fasting and fodmap. had countless people say how much fasting has helped them control their crohns disease and IBS, or helped them with their immune system, or helped them lose fat they never could lose before. same with fodmap, people started avoiding high fodmap foods and it improved their sleep, injuries, gut health and more.
as far as the forum our guys come from a diverse background when it comes to this stuff and there will be a lot of opinions. they work their tails off to help as many people as possible everyday so i will always defend their hardwork and i think you don't give them enough credit for what they do. find me any other forum with a better and more positive atmosphere then here, you wont' find it. other places its all jealousy, negativity, envy, bitterness, etc. these places are a cesspool like twitter full of keyboard warriors. we don't play that bs on evo which is why we are the #1 forum on earth for this stuff
you are a very bright dude, i can tell already from your prior posts and you love this shit as much as me or mobster or anyone else on here. so hopefully we can hear more out of you on here and you make this your permanent home.
Good talking points here, we need more of this I feel. There’s just too much nonsense going around, the level of depth you both went to explain your position is admirable and I feel like members here need more of it.
I just feel like some people like to come to the forum for some quick and easy advice, someone to even talk to or even just anecdotal experience on a certain situation, I just feel like throwing the old log spill is not always the way to approach it. I understand the need for a log and what it means for the forum and community. Some people just aren’t inclined to put out personal info.. I myself can’t and tried too. I can get so many silly comments, some encouraging and motivating, but some that annoy me as a coach, and leave me scratching my head thinking why is someone giving me this advice and advice that’s not even understood by the individual giving it.
Anyway we have different folks of background and experience. I just think logs should be aimed at people who wish too initially and qualify to do so. It ensures better quality of logs, keeps uniformity and information consistent.
I just feel like some people like to come to the forum for some quick and easy advice, someone to even talk to or even just anecdotal experience on a certain situation, I just feel like throwing the old log spill is not always the way to approach it. I understand the need for a log and what it means for the forum and community. Some people just aren’t inclined to put out personal info.. I myself can’t and tried too. I can get so many silly comments, some encouraging and motivating, but some that annoy me as a coach, and leave me scratching my head thinking why is someone giving me this advice and advice that’s not even understood by the individual giving it.
Anyway we have different folks of background and experience. I just think logs should be aimed at people who wish too initially and qualify to do so. It ensures better quality of logs, keeps uniformity and information consistent.
Some of that information, such as your post above, comes from members.
With that in mind why don't you create a post on the connection between Prolactin (I think we did a podcast on that) and Tren.
More (just on the caber and prolactin thing again) - we see newbs, having studied PEDs VERY briefly, do the 'crushing of my estrogen' thing. I've pointed out that we never really want to 100% remove the way our body balances out hormones. It's up their with cruising, sports TRT, 2g a week and so on and somehow wanting a dream to come true when it comes to 'kickstarting my HPTA' or upping their sperm count.
It's too easy to, as you say, over simplify and end up 'throwing the kitchen sink' at stuff without realizing you're holding yourself back.
That said that's hopefully not what's happening here. Low test post surgery is, really, to be expected. Recovery should always be based on a qualified medical experts advice. But we MIGHT add something to that.
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@AE1079 you can do a write up on the anabolic forum, it's welcome:More than happy to mate.
I’ll get something written up on tren in general pointing out prolactin and other things.
Where can I do these posts ? Also happy to do more educational posts for evo
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
check out Visions threads he has started as a template. he has put together some amazing threads with some amazing science and citations to back it up.More than happy to mate.
I’ll get something written up on tren in general pointing out prolactin and other things.
Where can I do these posts ? Also happy to do more educational posts for evo
@AE1079 the EVO family would like to see you update your actual log
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...terone-masteron-primobolan-hgh-insulin.98387/
please do
The steroid specific part of the forum (where we are now): https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/More than happy to mate.
I’ll get something written up on tren in general pointing out prolactin and other things.
Where can I do these posts ? Also happy to do more educational posts for evo
Looking forward to it
MassiveSparky
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Dont forget to log how much N2guard youre taking too bro.
But seriously wish you the best in your recovery and hope all works out well
There is some great info here and will help you make an informed decision
125mg test e/ weekDont forget to log how much N2guard youre taking too bro.
But seriously wish you the best in your recovery and hope all works out well
There is some great info here and will help you make an informed decision
200mcg bp157 twice daily
5mg tb 500/ week
150 caps n2guard eod
@Thebigflan we are actually trying to help you get to your goals and manage your health and life better as an EVO family, I hope you're not being sarcastic with this and it's just a typo
You can truly change your life with a LOG, and it would help you and truly guide you.
Sounds so cultish.@Thebigflan we are actually trying to help you get to your goals and manage your health and life better as an EVO family, I hope you're not being sarcastic with this and it's just a typo
You can truly change your life with a LOG, and it would help you and truly guide you.
well @AE1079 I sent you a DM just now so we are open about it.
As I said before, the EVO family is a no judgement zone, with a positive atmosphere. We are trying to have a positive atmosphere where everyone can share, no matter what they look like and no matter their goals. Some angry people might not like that, that is fine, but those people aren't welcome in our EVO family.
But honestly, we are all iron brothers, and we all have good and bad days, so I'll just think this was one of those days for you.
Brother Lev,well @AE1079 I sent you a DM just now so we are open about it.
As I said before, the EVO family is a no judgement zone, with a positive atmosphere. We are trying to have a positive atmosphere where everyone can share, no matter what they look like and no matter their goals. Some angry people might not like that, that is fine, but those people aren't welcome in our EVO family.
But honestly, we are all iron brothers, and we all have good and bad days, so I'll just think this was one of those days for you.
I have had a great day thanks, dont know where you got anger and having a bad day from as I’m happy individual.
But I’ll speak up when I need to.
I will redact and post part of our DMs so the EVO family can see we are transparent.
@AE1079
- We consider logs an integral part of the EVO family, and a big part of our mission. We are building a safe and trusted environment in our EVO family with rules set out by our bosses. We have a mission and vision here.
- Therefore, you can see why your words can be taken as anger. You are here, benefiting from the EVO family and our traffic, but you don't support our mission or vision.
- The reason you are here is because we believe in open discussion and free speech in our family, and we don't just censor or ban EVO family members for no reason.
