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Maximum results with lower doses?

Ironjugger

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Im looking cycle advices for low test base cycles. Can i use 150-200mg test base if im using different compounds? I done few cycles before test/deca 400mg both 12 weeks and test/primo 350/500 14 weeks and got nice gains and full pct done ofc, but this time i wanna go low test and maybe add Eq and Turinabol.

Stats:
172cm
78kg
Bf:13
 
you don't have to use test at all in a cycle. or you can run it at only a trt dose.

Who told you that you couldn't? I don't really understand the concept behind that?

Some people really really like testosterone and think they have to run it at 500 milligrams every cycle well that works for them but for some people it only adds side effects and causes a lot of unwanted estrogenic problems so it's beneficial with most people to not do that and to let these other steroids that have become more efficient than testosterone to be ran in a cycle
 
you don't have to use test at all in a cycle. or you can run it at only a trt dose.

Who told you that you couldn't? I don't really understand the concept behind that?

Some people really really like testosterone and think they have to run it at 500 milligrams every cycle well that works for them but for some people it only adds side effects and causes a lot of unwanted estrogenic problems so it's beneficial with most people to not do that and to let these other steroids that have become more efficient than testosterone to be ran in a cycle
Yeah that make sense if im using trt dose what would be your dose recommended eq/turinabol?
 
I haven't experienced either compound but why turinabol with equipoise, isn't turinabol extra harsh on cholestrol for being an oral while muscle effects aren't far from eq, thus why not just eq and test? The estrogenicity of eq is unclear considering
 
you don't have to use test at all in a cycle. or you can run it at only a trt dose.

Who told you that you couldn't? I don't really understand the concept behind that?

Some people really really like testosterone and think they have to run it at 500 milligrams every cycle well that works for them but for some people it only adds side effects and causes a lot of unwanted estrogenic problems so it's beneficial with most people to not do that and to let these other steroids that have become more efficient than testosterone to be ran in a cycle
I think people keep test high to minimize strain on most organs, like boldenone on liver and kidney, testosterone doesn't do that, although it does other things.
 
you certainly can use lower doses of test and get great results.. i have seen it continuously done and ive never been a fan or proponent of large doses of test anyway
 
Im looking cycle advices for low test base cycles. Can i use 150-200mg test base if im using different compounds? I done few cycles before test/deca 400mg both 12 weeks and test/primo 350/500 14 weeks and got nice gains and full pct done ofc, but this time i wanna go low test and maybe add Eq and Turinabol.

Stats:
172cm
78kg
Bf:13
@Ironjugger welcome to evolutionary.org family! i like your cycle plan but its hard to know if you really need this cycle.

For example I like 300mgs eq with 250mgs test base and 50mgs tbol but is that right for you? hard to say without seeing your log.
For actual help please start a NEW thread with your LOG journal diary training, diet, sleep, supps, pics and more and we will guide your cycle from there.

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I haven't experienced either compound but why turinabol with equipoise, isn't turinabol extra harsh on cholestrol for being an oral while muscle effects aren't far from eq, thus why not just eq and test? The estrogenicity of eq is unclear considering
Post up info on this
 
I think people keep test high to minimize strain on most organs, like boldenone on liver and kidney, testosterone doesn't do that, although it does other things.
of course it does that man

when you use test at anything higher then a trt dose it causes a tremendous strain on organs. for one your rbc count goes up which thickens up your blood which will raise blood pressure, it also throws off cholesterol and other lipids and raises HR a lot especially from the water retention. high test also opens you up to insomnia, gyno, water retention issues, and bloat along with other androgenic side effects. the estrogenic sides of course can be helped by using an AI.
 
Post up info on this
All oral AAS especially without aromatasation and with prolonged half life double strain the liver, I think everyone I knows that but here's just one place to read more about it "The most pronounced effects on serum lipids and lipoproteins seem to be exerted by the oral 17-a-alkylated steroids rather than parenterally administered nandrolone decanoate and testosterone esters" https://upload.orthobullets.com/journalclub/pubmed_central/15155420.pdf
 
of course it does that man

when you use test at anything higher then a trt dose it causes a tremendous strain on organs. for one your rbc count goes up which thickens up your blood which will raise blood pressure, it also throws off cholesterol and other lipids and raises HR a lot especially from the water retention. high test also opens you up to insomnia, gyno, water retention issues, and bloat along with other androgenic side effects. the estrogenic sides of course can be helped by using an AI.
At least slightly elevated doses 300mg per week in a study insignificantly affected anything at all (except estrogen). While winstrol 42mg per week (in a different study) was quite bad, like you'd expect any orals.
 
Bros make sure you You are following up on this and letting us know what you decide to do
better yet start up your own log so we can track you
 
equipoise with testosterone is perfectly fine
and i like tbol too
please log this it has the potential to be a nice mild cycle
 
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very important to update us on your diet and training we need to see what's going on
testosterone and deca sound like a good cycle but I think equipoise would be even better for you
 
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