Modified DECA/TEST TRT combination

[man05]

I am 49, 6’2, 209, 13-14%bf roughly, on doctor prescribed trt of 260mg test per week(m/th) 1mg adex(t/f). Bloods are well within normal limits things look good. During last call with doc he openly suggested he could prescribe or I could acquire deca and run in conjunction of 260mg/200mg test to deca. When I asked about development and growth he then said “ or any ratio that balances the same with deca being equal to or less than the test”.
I see cycles of the two compounds running between 12-16 wks. And I have enough time to run a max of 16 if necessary. So my question is will the trt docs ratio yield good development in terms of size growth or would running 360/300 be a better option? In cycles in the past I have run test c as high as 500mg per week but I felt as if I was having diminishing returns by week 8-10 and the amount of water retention was noticeable at least to me, then again I was not on any air whatsoever. Cycles after this have been no higher than 400 but with air and I had no bloat, this cycle I ran with 300npp and found it to be a very good experience.

I have ample test c, deca with some Sust lying around. Any help or direction in dialing in my dosage or at least a good point to start then I could possibly increase after the first four weeks.
I have read of a few people running npp weeks 1-4 on top of deca and by week 5 dropping npp and increasing the deca the difference of the npp being used, I’m not sure if this is a benefit or a waste of product. I also notice Pharmacom has a pmix 4 that combines short and long water nandroline and test but the final ration comes out as 400 test 200 nandro, what is the value of that?


Thank you in advance for your help


Mark

Hey guys here is my first go at a Cycle log so that I may work with experts to guide me and help me further learn.
I am 49, in very good physical shape I am 6'2, 209 lbs roughly 13-14% bf, I have strong cardiovascular properties as a results of years of competitive cycling and running. I have been lifting weights in some capacity for 20+ years. I have three cycles under my belt (1. 12wk Test C cycle at 250mg ( no issues), 2. Test C 500mg wk( slight bloat as I ran no ai and I screwed around with dbol) 3. Test c 500mgwk with 300mg NPP ( my favorite cycle by far, I felt great and recovery was amazing). Currently I sit on 260mgof test c on TRT, my doctor has mentioned my ability to use DECA from 200 to 300 mg per week.

My proposed cycle of 16 weeks ( for long esters)

I would like to increase my TRT dose from 260 up to 360-400mg range.
I would like to take the suggested 200mg of Deca and increase that possibly at week 5.
I would still take the adex twice per week the day after I pin for e2 control.

What I am still trying to understand is what would the value of adding NPP the first 4 weeks be in terms of waiting for the Deca to take effect?
In this example:
Weeks 1-4 100mg NPP + 200mg Deca for 300mg nandroline.
Starting week 5 drop the NPP and increase the Deca an additional 100mg for a total of 300mg.
Stay on Deca to the end of week 14 then the final two weeks on testosterone alone to finish the 16 week cycle

The ration would be close to a 1:1 but still slightly higher with test.


As to my diet I eat roughly 300grams of protein, adequate complex carbs, frutis and vegetables. I eat mostly clean, I dont not eat sweets or junk food or processed foods. I consume I would say 100+ grams of protein through shakes and protein shakes with fruit before or after I workout. I drink 1/2 to one gallon of water per day. I generally workout 5-6 times a week with a split , basic bar and dumbbell movements sets of 5 usually with 6-8 reps, generally by set 5 I am pretty gassed on dumbells which makes the barbell that much more tough, but I love it. I had to tak e6 weeks off as I had hernia surgery and am now clear to light and the past two weeks i have been building back up. Most of the work is broken down as either PUSH or PULL movements, Legs are just that with squats, lunges, sumos and calve raises. I workout in my garage at home most session take 1-1.5 hours during the summer given the humidity ( slows you down). I walk on average eod 5 miles and will jog for up to 20 minutes at a slow pace for fun. I take DHEA eod, multivitamins, omega 3's, CoQ10.
I get on average 8-8.5 hours of sleep each night, I only wake up to go to the bathroom.

 

[man05]

Here is my attempt at a log


Hey guys here is my first go at a Cycle log so that I may work with experts to guide me and help me further learn.
I am 49, in very good physical shape I am 6'2, 209 lbs roughly 13-14% bf, I have strong cardiovascular properties as a results of years of competitive cycling and running. I have been lifting weights in some capacity for 20+ years. I have three cycles under my belt (1. 12wk Test C cycle at 250mg ( no issues), 2. Test C 500mg wk( slight bloat as I ran no ai and I screwed around with dbol) 3. Test c 500mgwk with 300mg NPP ( my favorite cycle by far, I felt great and recovery was amazing). Currently I sit on 260mgof test c on TRT, my doctor has mentioned my ability to use DECA from 200 to 300 mg per week.

My proposed cycle of 16 weeks ( for long esters)

I would like to increase my TRT dose from 260 up to 360-400mg range.
I would like to take the suggested 200mg of Deca and increase that possibly at week 5.
I would still take the adex twice per week the day after I pin for e2 control.

What I am still trying to understand is what would the value of adding NPP the first 4 weeks be in terms of waiting for the Deca to take effect?
In this example:
Weeks 1-4 100mg NPP + 200mg Deca for 300mg nandroline.
Starting week 5 drop the NPP and increase the Deca an additional 100mg for a total of 300mg.
Stay on Deca to the end of week 14 then the final two weeks on testosterone alone to finish the 16 week cycle

The ration would be close to a 1:1 but still slightly higher with test.


As to my diet I eat roughly 300grams of protein, adequate complex carbs, frutis and vegetables. I eat mostly clean, I dont not eat sweets or junk food or processed foods. I consume I would say 100+ grams of protein through shakes and protein shakes with fruit before or after I workout. I drink 1/2 to one gallon of water per day. I generally workout 5-6 times a week with a split , basic bar and dumbbell movements sets of 5 usually with 6-8 reps, generally by set 5 I am pretty gassed on dumbells which makes the barbell that much more tough, but I love it. I had to tak e6 weeks off as I had hernia surgery and am now clear to light and the past two weeks i have been building back up. Most of the work is broken down as either PUSH or PULL movements, Legs are just that with squats, lunges, sumos and calve raises. I workout in my garage at home most session take 1-1.5 hours during the summer given the humidity ( slows you down). I walk on average eod 5 miles and will jog for up to 20 minutes at a slow pace for fun. I take DHEA eod, multivitamins, omega 3's, CoQ10.
I get on average 8-8.5 hours of sleep each night, I only wake up to go to the bathroom.

 

[man05]

Hey guys here is my first go at a Cycle log so that I may work with experts to guide me and help me further learn.
I am 49, in very good physical shape I am 6'2, 209 lbs roughly 13-14% bf, I have strong cardiovascular properties as a results of years of competitive cycling and running. I have been lifting weights in some capacity for 20+ years. I have three cycles under my belt (1. 12wk Test C cycle at 250mg ( no issues), 2. Test C 500mg wk( slight bloat as I ran no ai and I screwed around with dbol) 3. Test c 500mgwk with 300mg NPP ( my favorite cycle by far, I felt great and recovery was amazing). Currently I sit on 260mgof test c on TRT, my doctor has mentioned my ability to use DECA from 200 to 300 mg per week.

My proposed cycle of 16 weeks ( for long esters)

I would like to increase my TRT dose from 260 up to 360-400mg range.
I would like to take the suggested 200mg of Deca and increase that possibly at week 5.
I would still take the adex twice per week the day after I pin for e2 control.

What I am still trying to understand is what would the value of adding NPP the first 4 weeks be in terms of waiting for the Deca to take effect?
In this example:
Weeks 1-4 100mg NPP + 200mg Deca for 300mg nandroline.
Starting week 5 drop the NPP and increase the Deca an additional 100mg for a total of 300mg.
Stay on Deca to the end of week 14 then the final two weeks on testosterone alone to finish the 16 week cycle

The ration would be close to a 1:1 but still slightly higher with test.


As to my diet I eat roughly 300grams of protein, adequate complex carbs, frutis and vegetables. I eat mostly clean, I dont not eat sweets or junk food or processed foods. I consume I would say 100+ grams of protein through shakes and protein shakes with fruit before or after I workout. I drink 1/2 to one gallon of water per day. I generally workout 5-6 times a week with a split , basic bar and dumbbell movements sets of 5 usually with 6-8 reps, generally by set 5 I am pretty gassed on dumbells which makes the barbell that much more tough, but I love it. I had to tak e6 weeks off as I had hernia surgery and am now clear to light and the past two weeks i have been building back up. Most of the work is broken down as either PUSH or PULL movements, Legs are just that with squats, lunges, sumos and calve raises. I workout in my garage at home most session take 1-1.5 hours during the summer given the humidity ( slows you down). I walk on average eod 5 miles and will jog for up to 20 minutes at a slow pace for fun. I take DHEA eod, multivitamins, omega 3's, CoQ10.
I get on average 8-8.5 hours of sleep each night, I only wake up to go to the bathroom.

 

[RoidRage69]

I would actually use npp 200mgs and
LOG LOG LOG LOG NOW

This is exactly what I’m going to do.

 

[man05]

100 Tren, 200 deca, 300 test?

Something like that, how many weeks?

 

[LevButlerov]

I created a log over at Elite fitness, how do I link them for others to see?

https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/threads/my-trt-and-deca-cycle-log.1510259/

I can tell you one thing I have no interest in running tren during this cycle, I have gotten some gonzo responses.

man05 you have a log over on EF, please post all info in that log, I'm going to close this thread so there is no confusion.

dear brothers and sisters please visit our sister site EF to see the new log
https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/threads/my-trt-and-deca-cycle-log.1510259/