absolutely right! everyone seems to think that what they are taking does all the work and that could not be further from the truth.. you can take everything under the sun but without diet and training you will never get anywhere
This is why I'm not keen on anyone unless they have great genetics using either Insulin (for muscle) or Semaglutide (both available from approved sources) for fat loss. In the case of Semaglutide for both what you, Stevesmi and LTT say because you still gotta put in the diet and work and average genetics. It worked very well when Phill ran it recently but he has crazy genes. For everyone else forget it.
In Insulin I see a LOT of 'ok results' on and then (like DNP) a bounce back to worst after the cycle ends. In other words you end up fatter.