Approved Log My Dbol to testosterone Transformation Cycle Log

[Flyingandrei]

@Flyingandrei shared this via Dm and I'm happy he's sharing it in the open for EVO family to see.

Fasting is great for bulking or cutting, and you can utilize is any way you want, depends on your goals. Generally autophagy is what you're looking for in fasting.
For anabolic, fasting would be easier to do since way less potential muscle loss.
Not sure which studies you mean, there are no studies with steroid users and fasting, but we have anecdotal evidence, for example our logs and actual feedback from users and our clients, reading material:

19 day water fast story
https://www.evolutionary.org/my-19-day-water-fast-story/

10 day water fast
https://www.evolutionary.org/10-day-water-fast/

fasting log by @stevesmi
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ld-more-muscle-and-my-prolong-fast-log.81856/

Thanks my guy much appreciated.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Just linked to it above
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-transformation-cycle-log.102133/post-1654063

Whats your thoughts on this @LevButlerov

Fastiing results (my own opinion)...

1. no carbs in the system obviously is going to give a more leaner but flatter appearance. (Less glycogen) in the muscles. Greater scale weight drop will be because of this factor also.

2. It's basically an agressive calorie deficit. Especially if you work out the 24 hour fast. Imagine your in a -500 caloric deficit and on 3000 cals a day cutting.
(3500 is maintenance).

Thats an extra 6 days deficit all in a matter of 24 hour fast. 6 x 500 = 3000 calories and add the additional 500 deficit being set for a cut already so 3500 totals deficit for 24hours.

 

[Flyingandrei]

SHBG TROUBLESHOOTING:

I've been doing research on this the whole week reason being if your shbg is too low or too high (for me low due to shut down) it can be no good and lead to libido issues etc.

Even further you can waste your gear if shbg is not binding

Mine is in the gutter at the moment since im shut down

As a natural i was 15 nmol/L.

Currently 6 nmol/L. Obviously this will increase slightly now im doing 200mg test a week and we will see bloodwork in 5 weeks time again.

I've been watching vigerous steve and a few others videos and so far to increase it there is mention of the following:

Full fasting
Hcg 1000iu weekly subq 3x week
maintenance hcg 250iu to 500iu subq 3x week.

More info in the screenshot attached.

So great, i have the educational evidence there however,

I am wondering what method did other evo fams use? Is there any better proven method not mentioned here?

 

[LevButlerov]

Whats your thoughts on this @LevButlerov

Fastiing results (my own opinion)...

1. no carbs in the system obviously is going to give a more leaner but flatter appearance. (Less glycogen) in the muscles. Greater scale weight drop will be because of this factor also.

2. It's basically an agressive calorie deficit. Especially if you work out the 24 hour fast. Imagine your in a -500 caloric deficit and on 3000 cals a day cutting.
(3500 is maintenance).

Thats an extra 6 days deficit all in a matter of 24 hour fast. 6 x 500 = 3000 calories and add the additional 500 deficit being set for a cut already so 3500 totals deficit for 24hours.

@Flyingandrei

You can say its a deficit thats very fair, I think fasting is more of a health and body transformation thing.
You're looking to transform your body and actually clean up digestion. As many issues are digestive in the end

 

[LevButlerov]

SHBG TROUBLESHOOTING:

I've been doing research on this the whole week reason being if your shbg is too low or too high (for me low due to shut down) it can be no good and lead to libido issues etc.

Even further you can waste your gear if shbg is not binding

Mine is in the gutter at the moment since im shut down

As a natural i was 15 nmol/L.

Currently 6 nmol/L. Obviously this will increase slightly now im doing 200mg test a week and we will see bloodwork in 5 weeks time again.

I've been watching vigerous steve and a few others videos and so far to increase it there is mention of the following:

Full fasting
Hcg 1000iu weekly subq 3x week
maintenance hcg 250iu to 500iu subq 3x week.

More info in the screenshot attached.

So great, i have the educational evidence there however,

I am wondering what method did other evo fams use? Is there any better proven method not mentioned here?

TBH I dont know why you want to boost shbg this way, I think staying on testosterone and adding proviron would manage this for you.

@AE1079 have you seen his hcg use?

 

[Flyingandrei]

TBH I dont know why you want to boost shbg this way, I think staying on testosterone and adding proviron would manage this for you.

@AE1079 have you seen his hcg use?

Yeah Lev I haven't tried to boost nothing yet. I wana let the test do its job and see bloodwork in 5 weeks before making any adjustment decisions.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah Lev I haven't tried to boost nothing yet. I wana let the test do its job and see bloodwork in 5 weeks before making any adjustment decisions.

Sure and please start updating some training for us too.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Sure and please start updating some training for us too.

I like this youtuber Dr James explained videos too. Makes much more sense then trying to make himself sound like a scientific knowledge god.

 

[Flyingandrei]

TRAINING UPDATE 9/12/24

CHEST + SHOULDERS

Db fly
15 x 25 kg in reps
8 x 32.5 kg

Db bench
9 x 35kg in reps
7 x 37.5 kg

Cable fly superset decline
9 x 15 / 9x 15
9x 15 / 9x 15 in reps

Db incline fly / db incline bench
8 x 17.5 / 8x 17.5
7x 20/ 7 x 20 up in reps

Barbell Overhead press seated
9 x 50kg
4 x 72.5 drop set 4 x 50kg in reps

Db side raises
15 x 12.5kg
9 x 15kg in reps

front raise db

DB
15 x 12.5kg
8 x 15kg in weight and reps

 

[Flyingandrei]

@Flyingandrei

You can say its a deficit thats very fair, I think fasting is more of a health and body transformation thing.
You're looking to transform your body and actually clean up digestion. As many issues are digestive in the end

I think i would only use it if i was more sub 12 - 10% bodyfat and wanted to look really diced for a photoshoot/summer cut

 

[Likwid]

TRAINING UPDATE 9/12/24

CHEST + SHOULDERS

Db fly
15 x 25 kg in reps
8 x 32.5 kg

Db bench
9 x 35kg in reps
7 x 37.5 kg

Cable fly superset decline
9 x 15 / 9x 15
9x 15 / 9x 15 in reps

Db incline fly / db incline bench
8 x 17.5 / 8x 17.5
7x 20/ 7 x 20 up in reps

Barbell Overhead press seated
9 x 50kg
4 x 72.5 drop set 4 x 50kg in reps

Db side raises
15 x 12.5kg
9 x 15kg in reps

front raise db

DB
15 x 12.5kg
8 x 15kg in weight and reps

Just curious, what RPE are you generally working to?

 

[Flyingandrei]

Just curious, what RPE are you generally working to?

1 rir (reps in reserve) so rpe 9 and i dont bullshit with my training. Ive done rpe/rir for a long time.

Some sessions ill test and do till failure.

I dont count half assed crappy form reps either.

 

[hypogaeum]

Just my 2 cents worth, I'd like to see a bit more volume for the shoulders and put a priority on the compound movements (save the isolation sets for later in the workout). It might be more efficient (if you're struggling for time and can't add in more for shoulders) to do 4 sets on each exercise (rather than two) and drop a couple of exercises from the workout.

Dumbbell bench press. 4 sets, 12, 10, 10, 8
Dumbbell fly and dumbbell incline bench press superset. 4 sets each, 12, 10, 10, 8
Cable fly and decline dumbbell press superset. 4 sets each, 12, 10, 10, 8
Seated barbell overhead press. 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 10
Dumbbell lateral raises and dumbbell front raises superset. 4 sets each, 15, 12, 12, 10
Cable rope face pulls. 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 10

 

[Flyingandrei]

Just my 2 cents worth, I'd like to see a bit more volume for the shoulders and put a priority on the compound movements (save the isolation sets for later in the workout). It might be more efficient (if you're struggling for time and can't add in more for shoulders) to do 4 sets on each exercise (rather than two) and drop a couple of exercises from the workout.

Dumbbell bench press. 4 sets, 12, 10, 10, 8
Dumbbell fly and dumbbell incline bench press superset. 4 sets each, 12, 10, 10, 8
Cable fly and decline dumbbell press superset. 4 sets each, 12, 10, 10, 8
Seated barbell overhead press. 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 10
Dumbbell lateral raises and dumbbell front raises superset. 4 sets each, 15, 12, 12, 10
Cable rope face pulls. 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 10

Yep makes sense. Early posts I did mention when i was natural I used to do high volume workouts galore.

Enhanced though i respond better to low volume workouts. I also dont deadlift anymore because its too high fatigue ratio.

 

[hypogaeum]

Yep makes sense. Early posts I did mention when i was natural I used to do high volume workouts galore.

Enhanced though i respond better to low volume workouts. I also dont deadlift anymore because its too high fatigue ratio.

From what I can tell, the higher volume works well for building size, whereas the lower volume builds strength and density. Each to their own, and it's good to have a mix of both, but I've always liked a bit more volume particularly when cutting.

 

[Flyingandrei]

From what I can tell, the higher volume works well for building size, whereas the lower volume builds strength and density. Each to their own, and it's good to have a mix of both, but I've always liked a bit more volume particularly when cutting.

Yeah I agree to both methods and @hypogaeum you always have great advice! %

 

[RoySimpson]

BLOODWORK UPDATE

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I should have went with my instincts. I first noticed headache's around 4months ago when i would train.

I searched up the symptoms and it said i may have diabetes.

I didnt think so but i guess bloodwork says otherwise.

Had to repost cause some of my details were in original screen shots.

@Flyingandrei awesome work right here!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

TRAINING UPDATE 9/12/24

CHEST + SHOULDERS

Db fly
15 x 25 kg in reps
8 x 32.5 kg

Db bench
9 x 35kg in reps
7 x 37.5 kg

Cable fly superset decline
9 x 15 / 9x 15
9x 15 / 9x 15 in reps

Db incline fly / db incline bench
8 x 17.5 / 8x 17.5
7x 20/ 7 x 20 up in reps

Barbell Overhead press seated
9 x 50kg
4 x 72.5 drop set 4 x 50kg in reps

Db side raises
15 x 12.5kg
9 x 15kg in reps

front raise db

DB
15 x 12.5kg
8 x 15kg in weight and reps

Good training day for sure, the super set decline is what I like to see 15 reps

 

[Flyingandrei]

Good training day for sure, the super set decline is what I like to see 15 reps

Bro my chest sore 2 days later. cant lift arms above head . Even though soreness isnt a direct sign if muscle growth lol

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Bro my chest sore 2 days later. cant lift arms above head . Even though soreness isnt a direct sign if muscle growth lol

you're beast mode if you cant lift arms