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[Flyingandrei]

BODY STATS / TESTOSTERONE UPDATE

Weight to 113kg

No change to nutrition
Same Calories 2800
Same Macros 200 P / 305 C / 73 F

Cardio
10k - 16k steps daily (roughy 500 cals)

5 mins hit cardio post workout 1 min on 1 min off.

Body fat test 25% Navy sewing tape technique ( Learned from Paul revelia)

Used to do pinches with calipers on my clients . The sewing tape method provides a similar result so long as your consistent and dont lie lol.

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Testosterone report after 7 days

Better energy
More focus
More drive
Libido decided to show up after abandonment

 

[Flyingandrei]

TRAINING UPDATE
BACK/ REAR DELTS

Back day November 10 December 24

Db row single arms
15 x 27.5kg In repes
10 x 42.5 kg in reps

Barbell bent over row
12 x 80 in reps
10 x 100 in reps

Reverse grip lat pulldown
12 x 65 in reps
8 x 77 in weight

Reverse fly (for back) superset / wide elbow row
15 x 9/ 15 x 8 in reps
15x 8 / 15 x 9 in reps

Dumbbell Shrug
10x 40kg in reps
12 x 35kg in reps

Db rear delt
15 x 12.5 in reps
12 x 15kg in reps

Back for me is one of those once i get to a certain level of leaness it pops. My waist goes thin and v taper shines.

Will be a long time before this happens o bet.

Throwback pic before i put on all the fluff

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

BODY STATS / TESTOSTERONE UPDATE

Weight to 113kg

No change to nutrition
Same Calories 2800
Same Macros 200 P / 305 C / 73 F

Cardio
10k - 16k steps daily (roughy 500 cals)

5 mins hit cardio post workout 1 min on 1 min off.

Body fat test 25% Navy sewing tape technique ( Learned from Paul revelia)

Used to do pinches with calipers on my clients . The sewing tape method provides a similar result so long as your consistent and dont lie lol.

---

Testosterone report after 7 days

Better energy
More focus
More drive
Libido decided to show up after abandonment

I would start cutting carbs increasing fats and protein to shred up bro and start a few fasting sessions

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

TRAINING UPDATE
BACK/ REAR DELTS

Back day November 10 December 24

Db row single arms
15 x 27.5kg In repes
10 x 42.5 kg in reps

Barbell bent over row
12 x 80 in reps
10 x 100 in reps

Reverse grip lat pulldown
12 x 65 in reps
8 x 77 in weight

Reverse fly (for back) superset / wide elbow row
15 x 9/ 15 x 8 in reps
15x 8 / 15 x 9 in reps

Dumbbell Shrug
10x 40kg in reps
12 x 35kg in reps

Db rear delt
15 x 12.5 in reps
12 x 15kg in reps

Back for me is one of those once i get to a certain level of leaness it pops. My waist goes thin and v taper shines.

Will be a long time before this happens o bet.

Throwback pic before i put on all the fluff

The pic looks legit you'll get back to this size soon bro
how about you share pics now? so we can do a back comparison

training is strong but you dont need 8 reps on anything, all should be 12-20 reps range

 

[Flyingandrei]

I would start cutting carbs increasing fats and protein to shred up bro and start a few fasting sessions

Alright when a classic physique champ mentions fasting i may have to just do that.

Yep that is always my go to with any cut, is once it stalls, reduce 100 calories by carbs only.

What's your thoughts on this. When protein calories is accounted for your left with the same ammount of calories to distribute macros to fat or carbs anyway.

Ive always favoured a higher carb approach. I like fullness. Gym pumps, more glycogen over higher fat especially keto i flat out refuse it... weaker pumps, look flatter etc

 

[Flyingandrei]

The pic looks legit you'll get back to this size soon bro
how about you share pics now? so we can do a back comparison

training is strong but you dont need 8 reps on anything, all should be 12-20 reps range

Ok I will change all low reps to higher unless its a heavy compound.

Im pretty bloated in these pics i had rice and eggs for pre gym not long before and high fat %(25) also

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Ok I will change all low reps to higher unless its a heavy compound.

Im pretty bloated in these pics i had rice and eggs for pre gym not long before and high fat %(25) also

you're not bloated, you have a great muscle base there, and big size, something to cut down to bro
I can see you shredded and getting super lean and big muscles as well
fasting is what we should discuss

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Alright when a classic physique champ mentions fasting i may have to just do that.

Yep that is always my go to with any cut, is once it stalls, reduce 100 calories by carbs only.

What's your thoughts on this. When protein calories is accounted for your left with the same ammount of calories to distribute macros to fat or carbs anyway.

Ive always favoured a higher carb approach. I like fullness. Gym pumps, more glycogen over higher fat especially keto i flat out refuse it... weaker pumps, look flatter etc

You're overthinking this bro
I would start with fasting like 18/6 and then 72 hour rolling

 

[Flyingandrei]

you're not bloated, you have a great muscle base there, and big size, something to cut down to bro
I can see you shredded and getting super lean and big muscles as well
fasting is what we should discuss

I bulked naturally post comp 74kg 2019 October to 125kg. I knew if I wanted to improve i had to get comfortable in a surplus so that's how the fluff came about.

Yeah lets do it. Im keen to give fasting a go so long as I don't lose a lot of muscle lol.

Whats the recommendation. Ill implement it starting next week.

 

[stevesmi]

Alright when a classic physique champ mentions fasting i may have to just do that.

Yep that is always my go to with any cut, is once it stalls, reduce 100 calories by carbs only.

What's your thoughts on this. When protein calories is accounted for your left with the same ammount of calories to distribute macros to fat or carbs anyway.

Ive always favoured a higher carb approach. I like fullness. Gym pumps, more glycogen over higher fat especially keto i flat out refuse it... weaker pumps, look flatter etc

high carbs is fine, as long as they are the right carbs

people in blue zones are lean as hell and the majority of their macros are carbs. but they eat things like fruit, beans, brown rice, peas, potatoes and those types of carbs. not cake, ice cream and junky carbs

i don't think anyone ever got fat off sweet potatoes and brown rice.

 

[Flyingandrei]

high carbs is fine, as long as they are the right carbs

people in blue zones are lean as hell and the majority of their macros are carbs. but they eat things like fruit, beans, brown rice, peas, potatoes and those types of carbs. not cake, ice cream and junky carbs

i don't think anyone ever got fat off sweet potatoes and brown

you're not bloated, you have a great muscle base there, and big size, something to cut down to bro
I can see you shredded and getting super lean and big muscles as well
fasting is what we should discuss

Bro I can't do it. Theres just too much research that goes against fasting for cutting.

We all knows mikes on the juice so if he's not utilising it it gives me doubt.

Also not excuses but like to train at nights with all meals for the day. I find my body is much weaker when i dont have food.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

@Flyingandrei thats fine, up to you, but fasting works its just a fact, no research on paper, I'm talking about real life results with clients over the years.
I think fasting is hard for most due to self control issues, thats how they get big in the first place, but that doesnt take away from the fact that it works and its a very effective fat loss tool. Semaglutide is essentially fasting in a bottle for guys who can't control their appetite. Thats not a bad thing, some guys just cant don it, but doesnt make fasting ineffective.

@stevesmi can chime in here
read @stevesmi fasting log - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ld-more-muscle-and-my-prolong-fast-log.81856/
Steves 10 and 19 days fasting journeys:
https://www.evolutionary.org/my-19-day-water-fast-story/
https://www.evolutionary.org/10-day-water-fast/

Logs to check:
You should check out @Dadbod1996 log - he lost 50lbs fasting on a simple cycle, so yes fasting does work anecdotally and factually: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...terone-winstrol-cycle-log.100926/post-1653500

Also @ElDurko Log - 300lbs down to around 217 fasting and IF and carnivore - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-transformation-log.101699/

 

[Flyingandrei]

@Flyingandrei thats fine, up to you, but fasting works its just a fact, no research on paper, I'm talking about real life results with clients over the years.
I think fasting is hard for most due to self control issues, thats how they get big in the first place, but that doesnt take about from the fact that it works and its a very effective fat loss tool. Semaglutide is essentially fasting in a bottle for guys who can't control their appetite. Thats not a bad thing, some guys just cant don it, but doesnt make fasting ineffective.

@stevesmi can chime in here
read @stevesmi fasting log - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ld-more-muscle-and-my-prolong-fast-log.81856/
Steves 10 and 19 days fasting journeys:
https://www.evolutionary.org/my-19-day-water-fast-story/
https://www.evolutionary.org/10-day-water-fast/

Logs to check:
You should check out @Dadbod1996 log - he lost 50lbs fasting on a simple cycle, so yes fasting does work anecdotally and factually: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...terone-winstrol-cycle-log.100926/post-1653500

Also @ElDurko Log - 300lbs down to around 217 fasting and IF and carnivore - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-transformation-log.101699/

Good good! I did read Steves one and it threw me off with the strength loss. Vascularity he got was top tier.

I think for me its not the doing it. Im a disciplined person. Once i set my mind to it i do it

Main thing here is muscle loss I'm concerned about and looking flat. As you will know what I mean,

Cutting already makes someone look flat from the reduction of carbs.

Alright bet! @Npcclassicphysique champ ive got nothing to lose and im cutting anyway ill give it a go!

I will however be sure to set my times so that i can eat pre and post gym.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Good good! I did read Steves one and it threw me off with the strength loss. Vascularity he got was top tier.

I think for me its not the doing it. Im a disciplined person. Once i set my mind to it i do it

Main thing here is muscle loss I'm concerned about and looking flat. As you will know what I mean,

Cutting already makes someone look flat from the reduction of carbs.

Alright bet! @Npcclassicphysique champ ive got nothing to lose and im cutting anyway ill give it a go!

I will however be sure to set my times so that i can eat pre and post gym.

Before you go too deep into fasting, start slow, lets start 16/8 eating then 18/6 eating, meaning 16 hours fasted, 8 hour eating window and next week 18 hours fasted 6 hour fasting window, the week after 22 hour fasting 2 hour feeding window.
Once you can train on this, we can start rolling OMAD and some 48-72 hour fasts.

I wouldn't worry about muscle loss, ketosis is anti-catabolic and muscle sparing, and you're on a cycle so not an issue for you. And muscles you can always gain back, its much harder to lean out, @Flyingandrei

 

[Mobster]

Progress on reps across the board

 

[stevesmi]

Bro I can't do it. Theres just too much research that goes against fasting for cutting.

We all knows mikes on the juice so if he's not utilising it it gives me doubt.

Also not excuses but like to train at nights with all meals for the day. I find my body is much weaker when i dont have food.

1. you gotta remember that humans are supposed to feast/famine, literally how our guts evolved. we aren't grazers like cows, goats who have completely different guts.

2. pro bodybuilders like Hadi and Big Ramy fast for religious/cultural reasons and have Mr. O trophies

3. people in blue zones fast and are the healthiest people in the world and they all have different diets but what they do have in common with nutrition is they fast

4. if fasting doesn't work, why are ketones shown in urine after 20 hours? of course it works and its the most effective way to reach and stay in ketosis

5. many pro athletes including tom brady, rob gronkowski, jaylen waddle, and Derrick Henry.. along with MMA guys, soccer players, etc. follow time restricted eating. they won't even eat their first meal of the day until 4 or 5pm.

definately check out my log and look at the research, its there. don't go by what some bald meathead 'youtube dr' says who is reading off a paper lol. he didn't site a single study and was just spouting bro science. i could destroy his reasoning in 5 seconds. his last point that you can't grow muscle fasting shows how ignorant he is. when you fast your hgh goes sky high, that is why you actually hold muscle and even grow it when fasting. the study i posted in my log was done on ATHLETES (not a lazy study they did on obese people to push an agenda) who were already in great shape, and showed not only did they burn a ton of fat doing alternate day fasting but they actually GAINED muscle, even while keeping their protein the same. so fasting is a weapon and there are many ways to do it.

if you are unable to train fasted then that is because you've built up a lot of insulin resistance or you simply became addicted to carbs which is not good, but luckily that can be reversed. it will be uncomfortable at first for a few weeks but once that switch goes off you won't want to train any other way. don't worry your blood sugar doesn't drop and drop to 0 when you fast because your body will slow release stored up sugar back into the blood stream, so you actually will feel more energetic and be more balanced when fasting. you won't get hypo at all, quite the opposite

in your specific situation this is how i would use fasting since you train late in the day.
i would do fasted cardio in the AM. high intensity training for 15 minutes. your body will be forced to tap into those fat stores. again it might suck at first but you will force your body to adapt.. the key making this most successful is try and be atleast 20 hours into your fast this way you are in ketosis. then after this don't eat till midday. let the fat burn go for hours after.

 

[Flyingandrei]

1. you gotta remember that humans are supposed to feast/famine, literally how our guts evolved. we aren't grazers like cows, goats who have completely different guts.

2. pro bodybuilders like Hadi and Big Ramy fast for religious/cultural reasons and have Mr. O trophies

3. people in blue zones fast and are the healthiest people in the world and they all have different diets but what they do have in common with nutrition is they fast

4. if fasting doesn't work, why are ketones shown in urine after 20 hours? of course it works and its the most effective way to reach and stay in ketosis

5. many pro athletes including tom brady, rob gronkowski, jaylen waddle, and Derrick Henry.. along with MMA guys, soccer players, etc. follow time restricted eating. they won't even eat their first meal of the day until 4 or 5pm.

definately check out my log and look at the research, its there. don't go by what some bald meathead 'youtube dr' says who is reading off a paper lol. he didn't site a single study and was just spouting bro science. i could destroy his reasoning in 5 seconds. his last point that you can't grow muscle fasting shows how ignorant he is. when you fast your hgh goes sky high, that is why you actually hold muscle and even grow it when fasting. the study i posted in my log was done on ATHLETES (not a lazy study they did on obese people to push an agenda) who were already in great shape, and showed not only did they burn a ton of fat doing alternate day fasting but they actually GAINED muscle, even while keeping their protein the same. so fasting is a weapon and there are many ways to do it.

if you are unable to train fasted then that is because you've built up a lot of insulin resistance or you simply became addicted to carbs which is not good, but luckily that can be reversed. it will be uncomfortable at first for a few weeks but once that switch goes off you won't want to train any other way. don't worry your blood sugar doesn't drop and drop to 0 when you fast because your body will slow release stored up sugar back into the blood stream, so you actually will feel more energetic and be more balanced when fasting. you won't get hypo at all, quite the opposite

in your specific situation this is how i would use fasting since you train late in the day.
i would do fasted cardio in the AM. high intensity training for 15 minutes. your body will be forced to tap into those fat stores. again it might suck at first but you will force your body to adapt.. the key making this most successful is try and be atleast 20 hours into your fast this way you are in ketosis. then after this don't eat till midday. let the fat burn go for hours after.

Ive done 16/8 fast before , years ago. It did work wonders for weightloss but it made me look stringy and flat as hell. Like major starvation look.

This time may be different because I'm on cycle. Ill give it another go starting next week since im like 249lbs lol

 

[stevesmi]

Ive done 16/8 fast before , years ago. It did work wonders for weightloss but it made me look stringy and flat as hell. Like major starvation look.

This time may be different because I'm on cycle. Ill give it another go starting next week since im like 249lbs lol

100% you will flatten out while fasting man. but once you eat the muscles fill up fast. when i do a prolong fast it takes 2-3 days to fill back out.

also when it comes to strength, fasting isn't a good idea ahead of a workout . you need that extra glycogen store in the muscles. this is why when powerlifters fast to make weight ahead of a competition, they weigh-in and then they eat some quick sugars. i can remember when i competed dudes were eating things like bananas, and even candy bars lol. anything they could get in between the weigh-ins and actual lifting.. i tried the candy bar thing but i felt like ass after eating them, so i stuck to fruit.

anyway long story short no matter who you are you can benefit from different fasting strategies. whether you are Mr. O champion or you are just a normal joe. its something you should use as a tool just like anything else.

 

[Flyingandrei]

100% you will flatten out while fasting man. but once you eat the muscles fill up fast. when i do a prolong fast it takes 2-3 days to fill back out.

also when it comes to strength, fasting isn't a good idea ahead of a workout . you need that extra glycogen store in the muscles. this is why when powerlifters fast to make weight ahead of a competition, they weigh-in and then they eat some quick sugars. i can remember when i competed dudes were eating things like bananas, and even candy bars lol. anything they could get in between the weigh-ins and actual lifting.. i tried the candy bar thing but i felt like ass after eating them, so i stuck to fruit.

anyway long story short no matter who you are you can benefit from different fasting strategies. whether you are Mr. O champion or you are just a normal joe. its something you should use as a tool just like anything else.

We shall soon see thanks steve.

 

[Austin316]

There is no better way to train than while fasted.

You feel agile and you feel nice and fresh.