My first cycle killed me HPTA need your help

[Q8sporter]

Hey guys,

Im 22, i did a 6 weeks cycle for my first time in my life which I believe i would never do again, the cycle was like this

Testosterone Propionate 100/ml every other day
Deca 350/ml every 2 days
Dinabol twice a day oral /stopped and switched to Anadrol after Week 4
Anadrol once a day oral
Exemestane 25mg/ml oral Every day

After 10 days of this cycle i did PCT and taked

HCG 5000iu once a week only 2 times after taking the clomid and Nolvadex
Clomid 50 mg daily for 10 days
Nolvadex 20 mg daily for 30 days

That time I didn't notice anything different on libido and erection, after 2 months
I noticed that my erection is getting worse and worse so i talked to afriend who told me you will need a new PCT which i did and was for 30 day

Dostenix 1 pill per week > took 2 only w1 & w2
Clomid 25 mg per day> 30 Days
Nolvadex 20 mg per day >30 days

Also had a great mood, erection and libido was raising after but coming off i felt that its not like always that it used to be such as libido, erection and energy.

Went to a Doctor from Cleveland clinic and i got tested and he told me that i will give you clomid 25mg EO which im on right now for more than 8 weeks.


Results before the last PCT monitored by the doctor,

Testosterone: 306 ng/dL
Testosterone Free %: 3.3%
Testosterone Free: 101.6 pg/mL
LH: 5.3 mU/mL
FSH: 1.1 mU/mL
Prolactin: 11.1 ng/mL
Estradiol 17B: <25pg/mL
HCT: 45%

After being on Clomid 25mg EO for 8 weeks i tastet again and the results was good.

Testosterone: 523 ng/dL
Testosterone Free %: 3.8% > High
Testosterone Free: 199.6 pg/mL > High

Now even though im on clomid i miss morning woods, loss in sexual desire and erection is bad and no difference, please tell me what should i do ? Because I believe my doctor will let me continue on clomid for my whole life! Is their any way i can recover? Is there any way to restart my HPTA ! I only did 6 weeks what was wrong. Im still 22 and young Need your help and experience please help if you can.

Waiting for your replys

 

[stevesmi]

SMH.

stop listening to friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what is it with you young guys who think your friends know shit? never listen to idiots again

you didn't recover because you never let your body recover properly. you basically are just roller coastering your HPTA at this point with all these drugs. hcg should NEVER be ran for pct under any circumstance. it is SUPPRESSIVE. so essentially you ran no pct here

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS KICKSTARTING YOUR HPTA. all you are doing is sending your HPTA on a fucking rollercoaster. your doctor is a fucking idiot too. ONLY YOUR OWN BODY CAN REPAIR ITSELF, but you have to let it repair itself.

i would just chillax and stop stressing yourself out. stop all drugs, go to n2bm and get hcgenerate and run that for the next 8 weeks. you will feel better

 

[muskate]

Your main problem was running HCG in your PCT. You never want to run HCG in a PCT protocol as it is suppressive of natural testosterone production.

You are young. Your natural testosterone production will bounce back quick. It just takes time. Recovery doesn't occur over night.

STOP taking anything hormonal. Your body just needs time to recover. If you want to use something, do what @stevesmi said. Check a good quality natural testosterone booster like hcgenerate from needtobuildmuscle.com

 

[Al5920]

Wow 4 compounds for your first cycle. The biggest problem you have is patience. You don’t have any. That’s probably why you ran all that gear at 22. You will recover and you will feel better but it takes time

 

[Mobster]

There's so much wrong with almost everything in your post I don't know where to start.

 

[stevesmi]

Wow 4 compounds for your first cycle. The biggest problem you have is patience. You don’t have any. That’s probably why you ran all that gear at 22. You will recover and you will feel better but it takes time

i agree.. the body will punish a person with zero patience.. see what happened to jerry ward as an example

 

[dext]

There's so much wrong with almost everything in your post I don't know where to start.

Well maybe you could give him advice instead of telling him how dumb he is? Why post when you dont have anything to say or help with? I dont get it...

Sorry OP, i cant help you but i know theres alot of test boosters and such on the market that can help you

 

[Mobster]

Well maybe you could give him advice instead of telling him how dumb he is? Why post when you dont have anything to say or help with? I dont get it...

Sorry OP, i cant help you but i know theres alot of test boosters and such on the market that can help you

The irony of doing the same as me then. Plus, as you prove, OTHER PEOPLE READ THESE THREADS. Thus others can learn from his mistake. The silly part is we get at least one post like this a week. Search 'you can't restart your HPTA' and see how often Stevesmi has said it. Then look at the replies. Or look at posts I've started one of which dealt with young guys and the pattern of taking gear until they need TRT etc etc

I wonder how many of your ten posts in three years were helpful.

Test boosters need something to boost.

 

[dext]

The irony of doing the same as me then. Plus, as you prove, OTHER PEOPLE READ THESE THREADS. Thus others can learn from his mistake. The silly part is we get at least one post like this a week. Search 'you can't restart your HPTA' and see how often Stevesmi has said it. Then look at the replies. Or look at posts I've started one of which dealt with young guys and the pattern of taking gear until they need TRT etc etc

I wonder how many of your ten posts in three years were helpful.

Test boosters need something to boost.

You are right but i just had to comment on your reply.

He is where he is and yes we all know that what he did were dumb af, but no need to slammer him with a hammer even more.
Too many stupid ppl in the world yes but lets atleast try to help them out the best we can!

 

[dylangemelli]

You are right but i just had to comment on your reply.

He is where he is and yes we all know that what he did were dumb af, but no need to slammer him with a hammer even more.
Too many stupid ppl in the world yes but lets atleast try to help them out the best we can!

he didnt slam him at all.. he made a point about a lot being wrong and not knowing where to start, which is A FACT... drop the touchiness man, that shit is ridiculous... yes, he could have offered some more advising on it but thats what everyone else is doing and when you make mistakes like this, noone is going to be mommy and treat someone with kid gloves etc... SMFH... i cannot stand all the child like feelings about things... if people didnt care, they wouldnt be trying to educate him and help him, which is what people are doing but if you cant take some tough love, then good luck in the real world...

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so, when you use testosterone, you are clearly adding large amounts of it into your body which causes you to eventually be suppressed when you stop using it because your body forgets how to produce it on its own... hence, the need for pct... so, what hcg does is MIMIC your lh and fsh, just like taking testosterone, mimics testosterone production which eventually leads to suppression, correct... so when you mimic lh and fsh, what happens when you stop using it?? im sure you can put two and two together... the reason you use hcg is to get your lh and fsh STIMULATED before pct, so they are not completely bottomed out because when you use test, they are non existent... just like when you run an oral without test... when you go into pct, your test is bottomed out.... when you go into pct using test, AT LEAST its much higher making recovery easier as you reteach your body to produce on its own... so if you use hcg BEFORE pct, then it gives that boost while your body learns how to produce on its own... HOWEVER, if you run hcg IN PCT or after, you end up suppressing yourself because you are just mimicking, not helping to jumpstart anything like nolva and clomid do for your natural testosterone production... NOT TO MENTION, hcg ALSO increases estrogen... so, i just want you to FULLY understand so you dont think its just someone talking and blowing smoke... this is fact... its easy to understand when you see it written down…

 

[Mobster]

You are right but i just had to comment on your reply.

He is where he is and yes we all know that what he did were dumb af, but no need to slammer him with a hammer even more.
Too many stupid ppl in the world yes but lets atleast try to help them out the best we can!

You've added a comment but didn't take up my suggestions above. Had you done so you'd have helped. I'm a mod. I'm under NO actual obligation to help. And here's the thing - just using Dylan as an example (never mind my previously referred to helpful thread). Every single damn day (and I mean EVERY DAY) Dylan puts out a helpful video. Almost very day we have threads from guys under 25 and EVERY FKIN TIME we say it's too young. So you'll have to excuse me if I don't rush to come over all fkin snowflake and bend over and offer to help. With that out of the way here are 25 links via the search function 'restarting my HPTA':

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/search.php?searchid=5604822

I'll repeat my earlier comment about how often we get guys following a pattern of stupidity. It goes thus:

1) Goes on gear too young
2) Blasts and cruises - aka 'stays on gear'
3) Ends up on TRT cos 'my HPTA shut down'
4) Meets 'the girl' and wants to get pregnant.
5) Comes on a roid forum.

You can guess the rest. And wanna know the best bit? They aren't Mr Olympia... not even close. When the best example is the sports very own 'Mr 3CC' Bostin Loyd and even he has gone all sensible (or his version of it) and he's cut back on the doses that ought to tell all the under 25's something.

For me, never a big user and one who started late too (aged 37) who can legitimately claim to have seen with my own eyes guys buying roids who don't even come close to looking like they lift, or have 'six weeks to my wedding, what cycle can I do' or girls buying T3 before they modify their diets there's only so much daily help I've got to give.

And, like I said, if I'm not helping the OP (although the link above will) I AM helping those other members reading the thread. SOME will get the message. The rest can kiss their balls goodbye.

 

[dylangemelli]

You've added a comment but didn't take up my suggestions above. Had you done so you'd have helped. I'm a mod. I'm under NO actual obligation to help. And here's the thing - just using Dylan as an example (never mind my previously referred to helpful thread). Every single damn day (and I mean EVERY DAY) Dylan puts out a helpful video. Almost very day we have threads from guys under 25 and EVERY FKIN TIME we say it's too young. So you'll have to excuse me if I don't rush to come over all fkin snowflake and bend over and offer to help. With that out of the way here are 25 links via the search function 'restarting my HPTA':

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/search.php?searchid=5604822

I'll repeat my earlier comment about how often we get guys following a pattern of stupidity. It goes thus:

1) Goes on gear too young
2) Blasts and cruises - aka 'stays on gear'
3) Ends up on TRT cos 'my HPTA shut down'
4) Meets 'the girl' and wants to get pregnant.
5) Comes on a roid forum.

You can guess the rest. And wanna know the best bit? They aren't Mr Olympia... not even close. When the best example is the sports very own 'Mr 3CC' Bostin Loyd and even he has gone all sensible (or his version of it) and he's cut back on the doses that ought to tell all the under 25's something.

For me, never a big user and one who started late too (aged 37) who can legitimately claim to have seen with my own eyes guys buying roids who don't even come close to looking like they lift, or have 'six weeks to my wedding, what cycle can I do' or girls buying T3 before they modify their diets there's only so much daily help I've got to give.

And, like I said, if I'm not helping the OP (although the link above will) I AM helping those other members reading the thread. SOME will get the message. The rest can kiss their balls goodbye.

perfectly laid out example of how it all happens.. ive been doing this over a decade and now at this point, im basically dealing with thousands of people per day between all my outlets so i THINK I grasp how this goes, and mobster is SPOT on with his assessment... its beyond frustrating and NOONE is going to sit and hold your hand when you fuck up... thats what mom is for... OF COURSE we are going to help, thats what we are here but if you want your little hand held etc and cant take the shit that goes along with being taught a lesson then i dont know what to say.. noone deserves to get slammed or beaten etc... OF COURSE NOT, but being a pre schooler about being taught a lesson is not going to fly.. we are supposed to be men here

my basketball coach in college used to tell us that if he was not on our ass or didnt give us a hard time he didnt care about us and that was a bad sign in terms of our standing with the team and our playing time.. if we jump on someone for making a mistake but HELP them in the process, clearly its because we care... YOU NEED to know the severity of your mistakes, period, or you never fix them and you think its just ok to make dumb ass mistakes... i know when ive made mistakes and my ass got chewed i dont make the same dumb ass mistake again

 

[Q8sporter]

Guys thank a lot for those of you who are trying to help me on this situation, others I understand and respect that you are telling me that i did something wrong in my young age but what should i do right now ? I really understand that i did a bad thing for my body! If you can help me i would be thankful to you because until now I don't know who to believe! I posted this same thread on another website and a lot of people telling me to take HCG for 20 days 1000 IU every day then start using Colmid and nolva ! Please tell me what can i do ? Do i need to die or what ? Who should I believe?

 

[dylangemelli]

Stop being dramatic... hcg put u in a bad spot already... you can listen to idiots and make things worse if u want... what is yoyr current lh and fsh


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[Q8sporter]

Also i just wanna know if im doing the right thing by lestining to this doctor who's from cleveland clinic by letting me take clomid for more than 8 weeks ? Is that going to effect me ?

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Thanks man !
Actually the idiot doctor didn't test my LH & FSH

Do you advice me to check them ?

 

[Q8sporter]

SMH.

stop listening to friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what is it with you young guys who think your friends know shit? never listen to idiots again

you didn't recover because you never let your body recover properly. you basically are just roller coastering your HPTA at this point with all these drugs. hcg should NEVER be ran for pct under any circumstance. it is SUPPRESSIVE. so essentially you ran no pct here

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS KICKSTARTING YOUR HPTA. all you are doing is sending your HPTA on a fucking rollercoaster. your doctor is a fucking idiot too. ONLY YOUR OWN BODY CAN REPAIR ITSELF, but you have to let it repair itself.

i would just chillax and stop stressing yourself out. stop all drugs, go to n2bm and get hcgenerate and run that for the next 8 weeks. you will feel better

Do you mean I should stop everything and my body will return to normal levels?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ I told you above my opinion on what you should do

if your doctor didn't even test your LH or FSH then yeah he is an idiot. remember you don't need to be smart or have common sense to be a doctor, it is just a fucking degree. you need a rich daddy to put you through med school and know how to do well on tests.. that is all. the biggest idiot form high school i know is a doctor today, the girl used to cheat off of everyone and couldn't even spell or do basic math no joke

and anyone who would tell you to use hcg is an idiot pure and simple. it will shut you down more

 

[dylangemelli]

Yes i need to see those too bro


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[1989]

Your erections and sexual desire will never be the same as it was once pure. I see proviron and cialis steadily in your future.

 

[Al5920]

Your erections and sexual desire will never be the same as it was once pure. I see proviron and cialis steadily in your future.

I think that’s a stretch but your right it’s a big gamble taking that many compounds before your endocrine system is fully developed. Op you need to stop taking hormones. Take a good natural test booster and allow yourself time to recover. That’s the hardest thing to do especially at 22 in today’s day and age