My first cycle killed me HPTA need your help

[Mobster]

perfectly laid out example of how it all happens.. ive been doing this over a decade and now at this point, im basically dealing with thousands of people per day between all my outlets so i THINK I grasp how this goes, and mobster is SPOT on with his assessment... its beyond frustrating and NOONE is going to sit and hold your hand when you fuck up... thats what mom is for... OF COURSE we are going to help, thats what we are here but if you want your little hand held etc and cant take the shit that goes along with being taught a lesson then i dont know what to say.. noone deserves to get slammed or beaten etc... OF COURSE NOT, but being a pre schooler about being taught a lesson is not going to fly.. we are supposed to be men here

my basketball coach in college used to tell us that if he was not on our ass or didnt give us a hard time he didnt care about us and that was a bad sign in terms of our standing with the team and our playing time.. if we jump on someone for making a mistake but HELP them in the process, clearly its because we care... YOU NEED to know the severity of your mistakes, period, or you never fix them and you think its just ok to make dumb ass mistakes... i know when ive made mistakes and my ass got chewed i dont make the same dumb ass mistake again

I'm passionate about stuff like this so yeah it comes across how it did.

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I think that’s a stretch but your right it’s a big gamble taking that many compounds before your endocrine system is fully developed. Op you need to stop taking hormones. Take a good natural test booster and allow yourself time to recover. That’s the hardest thing to do especially at 22 in today’s day and age

It's not that big of a stretch. We've had post on both points

 

[Al5920]

I'm passionate about stuff like this so yeah it comes across how it did.

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It's not that big of a stretch. We've had post on both points

Your right It was stupid for sure and permanent damage is certainly possible. I believe it’s a stretch to say op will need cialis from now on. I believe op will likely recover if he has patience. It was a 6 week run (albeit a lot of gear) and he has youth on his side. Hopefully

 

[dylangemelli]

it could go either way... noone can say with certainty one way or another... regardless, it wont be an easy recovery but i have seen people come back , at least most of the way, not necessarily all, but there's a good possibility, IF and ONLY if things are done right and NO more ridiculous use occurs, well, ANY use for that matter, but there's at least a chance so dont get yourself psyched out before you even try...

 

[Al5920]

True story

 

[stevesmi]

i have been 'cycling' for a decade and my levels come back each time.. the first cycle i ran i got back advice like you did and my recovery sucked, i listened to dummies who had no clue.. luckily i did my own research and asked the right people and recovered just fine. it just took longer than it should have.

I'm telling you just chillax and re-read my posts in this thread and follow what i told you.. and i agree with dylan, stop being over dramatic. you are psychologically causing more problems by being a nutcase here.

 

[Q8sporter]

i have been 'cycling' for a decade and my levels come back each time.. the first cycle i ran i got back advice like you did and my recovery sucked, i listened to dummies who had no clue.. luckily i did my own research and asked the right people and recovered just fine. it just took longer than it should have.

I'm telling you just chillax and re-read my posts in this thread and follow what i told you.. and i agree with dylan, stop being over dramatic. you are psychologically causing more problems by being a nutcase here.

So what do you advice me to do ?

I want you to tell me if i need to stop the clomid 25 EO now ? Is it suppriseve?

What about the people who are telling me to use proviron ? Is that helpful for recovery?

 

[dylangemelli]

So what do you advice me to do ?

I want you to tell me if i need to stop the clomid 25 EO now ? Is it suppriseve?

What about the people who are telling me to use proviron ? Is that helpful for recovery?

how could clomid be suppressive when its used for recovery?/ you are truly neurotic... i TOLD YOU , get the lh and fsh numbers and let me see them so i can see EXACTLY how bad everything is... when you give vague shit for info, you get an even vaguer response... proviron frees up bound testosterone, but thats not going to recover you like you need at all... stop listening to a million different people... you are going to make this even worse.. i can only handle so much dude, if you are all over the place, then you are gong to have to find something that can deal with that... im trying to help you and tell you what to do.. chill out and go one step at a time or i know i cant do anything to help you

 

[Q8sporter]

how could clomid be suppressive when its used for recovery?/ you are truly neurotic... i TOLD YOU , get the lh and fsh numbers and let me see them so i can see EXACTLY how bad everything is... when you give vague shit for info, you get an even vaguer response... proviron frees up bound testosterone, but thats not going to recover you like you need at all... stop listening to a million different people... you are going to make this even worse.. i can only handle so much dude, if you are all over the place, then you are gong to have to find something that can deal with that... im trying to help you and tell you what to do.. chill out and go one step at a time or i know i cant do anything to help you

Hello Dylan thanks a lot for helping me do the right way of recovery and sorry about asking you a lot of questions, i will check LH and FSH and let you know.

Appreciate this bro

 

[dylangemelli]

No problem bro


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[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Waiting to hear the results on the LH and FSH but definitely get off of everything. These drugs will only fuck you up. At your age your HPTA should be very strong and be able to come back just fine if give proper time. These drugs are just making things worse.

 

[Q8sporter]

Hello my friends

I hope you are all doing good, I stopped using clomid that was prescribed by the idiot doctor who was telling me you can keep using clomid for years and years!

Now i will try to see how does my body responds to this for a week and i will do a blood work for LH & FSH, where do you think its the best place i can do my blood work at ?

My best

 

[Mobster]

Hello my friends

I hope you are all doing good, I stopped using clomid that was prescribed by the idiot doctor who was telling me you can keep using clomid for years and years!

Now i will try to see how does my body responds to this for a week and i will do a blood work for LH & FSH, where do you think its the best place i can do my blood work at ?

My best

Check the link in stevesmi's replies

 

[Q8sporter]

Hello guys it's been a long time, I did my blood work after stopping the clomid 25mg EOD, so here it is please let me know your recommendation,

Testosterone 328 ng/dL Range: 193 - 824 ng/dL
Testosterone Free % 3.0 % Range: 1.4 - 3.2 %
Testosterone Free 98.8 pg/mL Range: 41.7 - 180.2 pg/mL

The Doctor also recommend getting back into the low dose clomid for 25mg EOD, but thier is something weird, i have been noticing morning woods, im currently not using anything and im waiting for your recommendation guys i trust on your experience!

Best regards

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Also what do you guys think on using (Triptorelin) in my situation?

 

[Mobster]

Hello guys it's been a long time, I did my blood work after stopping the clomid 25mg EOD, so here it is please let me know your recommendation,

Testosterone 328 ng/dL Range: 193 - 824 ng/dL
Testosterone Free % 3.0 % Range: 1.4 - 3.2 %
Testosterone Free 98.8 pg/mL Range: 41.7 - 180.2 pg/mL

The Doctor also recommend getting back into the low dose clomid for 25mg EOD, but thier is something weird, i have been noticing morning woods, im currently not using anything and im waiting for your recommendation guys i trust on your experience!

Best regards

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Also what do you guys think on using (Triptorelin) in my situation?

For your prostate?

 

[moze]

Your erections and sexual desire will never be the same as it was once pure. I see proviron and cialis steadily in your future.

BULLSHIT. Hormonal system can recover fully , almost doesn't matter how early and how much steroids you used, unless its exepetional situation or you had problems before that you didnt know about. It takes about 3 years for endocrine to recover. I am talking from experience, i used a lot of steroids when i was stupid 17-18 years old and i am clean for more then 5 years now, and everything is fine, my erections are so hard thats its sometimes even painful. Of course i didnt use hcg but still. I suggest the guy to not take any drugs that works hormons for atleast 3 years now. Also i insist you to use fish oil with vitamin e, zinc, magnesium, DAA, Tribulus and try to eat healthy, you will recover eventually, stressing yourself out will kill your erections as well. One thing you must do is help your body to produce the testosterone naturally as much as you can.

 

[Mobster]

True. But more so down to your age. Yep a mistake to use gear at 17-18. Equally, you're less likely to recover if you're older just due to the fat that test levels etc fall off as you get older.

 

[stevesmi]

i didn't see where you mentioned when you ran blood work. running bloods while clomid in your system makes no sense. that doesn't tell you anything. it would be like checking for a fever after taking 3 tylenol.

your doctor wants to keep you on clomid but is too dumb to understand that only your body can recover.. the fact he didn't even check your LH and FSH tells me he doesn't really know what he is doing

 

[Q8sporter]

I read about Triptorelin and how it can restart the HPTA and they had proven that with blood work. What is the main use of Triptorelin ? Is it for prostate ?

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BULLSHIT. Hormonal system can recover fully , almost doesn't matter how early and how much steroids you used, unless its exepetional situation or you had problems before that you didnt know about. It takes about 3 years for endocrine to recover. I am talking from experience, i used a lot of steroids when i was stupid 17-18 years old and i am clean for more then 5 years now, and everything is fine, my erections are so hard thats its sometimes even painful. Of course i didnt use hcg but still. I suggest the guy to not take any drugs that works hormons for atleast 3 years now. Also i insist you to use fish oil with vitamin e, zinc, magnesium, DAA, Tribulus and try to eat healthy, you will recover eventually, stressing yourself out will kill your erections as well. One thing you must do is help your body to produce the testosterone naturally as much as you can.

My friend i can understand this but the doctor who I visited from Cleveland Clinic told me that it will be permanently and he was telling me that he has other paitients diagnosed with hypogonadism after Steroids and they are using clomid for 3 years !!!

So you didn't do any pct ?

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i didn't see where you mentioned when you ran blood work. running bloods while clomid in your system makes no sense. that doesn't tell you anything. it would be like checking for a fever after taking 3 tylenol.

your doctor wants to keep you on clomid but is too dumb to understand that only your body can recover.. the fact he didn't even check your LH and FSH tells me he doesn't really know what he is doing

The problem is this treatment was given by a urologist and endocrine Doctors !!! Im confused with these crazy people and I remember telling him that i will need to check LH/FSH and Prolactin in case if it's causeing the problem but he only tested my HCT % / Testosterone/ Free T % / Free T i felt like do I understand more than him ? Also I asked him if i should use clomid with Nolvadex but he said no its not a good solution!

What do you think bro

 

[moze]

I used to do one month PCT after each cycle with nolvadex and proviron

 

[Q8sporter]

The pct was only Nolvadex and Proviron?