Approved Log My First Test Cycle Log

[HybridLabs]

1. No you don't need liver support on a moderate test only cycle.

2. Whats with the diet? Are you running a cycle to bulk and gain muscle? Or are you cutting.

You will need to eat more.

Your macro split is fine. But you need to up the cals.

 

[LevButlerov]

1. No you don't need liver support on a moderate test only cycle.

2. Whats with the diet? Are you running a cycle to bulk and gain muscle? Or are you cutting.

You will need to eat more.

Your macro split is fine. But you need to up the cals.

@HybridLabs while you make some valid points, other points aren't based on science.

1) You do need liver support, moderate testosterone dose or not (btw he said he's not even cycling), organ and liver support is a must when using something like anabolic steroids. Steroids are toxic even at TRT doses, but, to be fair, eating too many charburgers or drinking from plastic water bottles is also toxic. Therein is the positives of being a bodybuilder, we have the supplements like TUDCA Milk thistle and more to combat our possible side effects.

Studies have show anabolic steroids, even injectables can potentially cause liver, organ injury.

AAS use is closely linked to hepatotoxicity and serious hepatic conditions such as cholestasis, peliosis hepatis, and benign and malignant hepatic tumors, as well as steatohepatitis and dyslipidemia with multiple studies supporting a causal association

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9331524/

Androgenic and anabolic steroids have been implicated in four distinct forms of liver injury: transient serum enzyme elevations, an acute cholestatic syndrome (“bland cholestasis”), chronic vascular injury to the liver (peliosis hepatis) and hepatic tumors including adenomas and hepatocellular carcinoma

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK548931/#:~:text=Hepatotoxicity,including adenomas and hepatocellular carcinoma

Most important part of study:

These adverse events have been most closely linked with the C-17α alkylated testosterones, although tumors have also been associated with unmodified and esterified testosterone preparations.

2) On the diet angle, we agree completely. His low protein diet is unacceptable to someone trying to prepare for a cycle.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-first-test-cycle-log.90336/page-3#post-1372516

 

[LittleTimeTrouble]

@HybridLabs while you make some valid points, other points aren't based on science.

1) You do need liver support, moderate testosterone dose or not (btw he said he's not even cycling), organ and liver support is a must when using something like anabolic steroids. Steroids are toxic even at TRT doses, but, to be fair, eating too many charburgers or drinking from plastic water bottles is also toxic. Therein is the positives of being a bodybuilder, we have the supplements like TUDCA Milk thistle and more to combat our possible side effects.

Studies have show anabolic steroids, even injectables can potentially cause liver, organ injury.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9331524/


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK548931/#:~:text=Hepatotoxicity,including adenomas and hepatocellular carcinoma

Most important part of study:


2) On the diet angle, we agree completely. His low protein diet is unacceptable to someone trying to prepare for a cycle.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-first-test-cycle-log.90336/page-3#post-1372516

Totally agree. I think any time you are using things that are hard on your body, in one way or another, the only responsible course of action is to take countermeasures to mitigate the damage you are doing. We are trying to do win the long game, not the short game. I was a little skeptical of TUDCA, but being on it for a few months dropped my ALT and AST from high normal to low normal. I was extremely pleased.

The macros look exactly as I would expect from a nutritionist. They aren’t going to help or hurt to any great degree. I think it is odd that anybody would suggest to have added sugar to a diet. Whether you are a high or low carb type person, I think most people agree that getting your sugars naturally is way better than adding them.

 

[Quadsweep]

very nice layout. maybe structure your diet more organized

 

[djmac4u]

I'd like to clarify few things.
1. I have not started the test cycle yet. It is on hold till I finalize my job change.
2. I did not start following the nutritionist diet yet. She made a suggestion that I am losing muscle mass because my carb intake was low and my body was trying to make energy out of the proteins.

Some members of this forum asked me to post what I was already eating on a daily basis to help me build a diet around it. So here it is,

Day 1
11:00 AM
Meal 1 - smoothie
Pea Protein 25g
Banana 95g
Blueberries 65g
Oat milk 168g
Walnut 1 piece
Creatine 5g

12:00 PM
Meal 2 - Omlette
Mushroom 42g
Onion 20g
Egg White 76g

2:00 PM
Meal 3 - Lunch
Flat bread 80g
Ground Beef 110g
Veggies(cabbage,cucumber) 1cup

8:00 PM
Meal 4 - Supper
2 Pork Tacos with no cheese (takeout)

Day 2
9:00 AM
Meal 1 - smoothie
Banana 108g
Blueberry 45g
Peanut Butter 14g
Pea Protein 28g
Creatine 5g

11:00 AM
Meal 2 - Omlette
1 Egg White, 1 whole egg
Mushrooms 100

2:00 PM
Meal 3 - Lunch
Ground Beef 110g
Cauliflower and Plantain 1 cup

7:00 PM
Meal 4 - Supper
Ground Beef 108g
Cauliflower, Cucumber, Plantain 1 cup

Day 3
10:00 AM
Meal 1 - smoothie
Banana 84g
Pea Protein 28g
Creatine 5g
walnut 1/4 piece
carrot 35g

1:00 PM
Meal 2 - Lunch
Takeout - Chicken 80g, quinoa and veggies

5:30 PM
Meal 3 - 2 egg Omlette

9:40 PM
Meal 4 - Supper
Plantain 41g
Flat bread 1
Ground beef 110g

And @Eddie Haskell, here's the text format.
I appreciate everybody's input!

Sets Reps Weights
Upper Day 1
Flat BB Bench Press 3 8-10 50, 60, 70 lbs
Seated DB Shoulder Press 4 8-10 25, 27.5, 30, 30 lbs
Lat Pulldown 3 8-10 90, 100, 110 lbs
Seated Cable Rows 4 8-10 85, 90, 95, 95 lbs
DB Seated Bicep Curl 3 10-12 20, 25, 30 lbs
Cable Tricep Pushdown 3 10-12 20, 22.3, 25 lbs
Side Delt Raises 4 10-12 17.5, 20, 20 lbs
24 Hour Rest

Lower Day 1
BB Back Squat 3 6-8 50, 60, 70 lbs
BB Romanian Deadlift 3 8-10 40, 50, 60 lbs
Leg Press 3 8-10 90, 110, 140 lbs
Hamstring Curl 4 10-12 60, 65, 70, 25(one leg) lbs
Standing Calf Raise 4 10-12 60, 65, 70, 70 lbs
Cable Wood Chop 3 10-12 resistance level 15, 15.5, 16
48 Hour Rest

Upper Day 2
Lat Pulldowns 3 8-10 90, 100, 110 lbs
BB Rows 4 8-10 40, 50, 60, 70 lbs
Flat BB Bench Press 3 8-10 50, 60, 70 lbs
Incline DB Bench Press 4 8-10 60, 60, 70, 75 lbs
Overhead Tricep Extension 3 10-12 40, 45, 50 lbs
DB Hammer Curl 3 10-12 25, 27.5, 30 lbs
Facepulls 4 10-12 55, 60, 65, 70 lbs
48 Hour Rest

Lower Day 2
BB Back Squat 3 6-8 50, 60, 70 lbs
BB Romanian Deadlift 3 8-10 40, 50, 60 lbs
Weighted Glute Bridge 3 8-10 50, 60, 70 lbs
Leg Extension 3 10-12 60, 65, 70 lbs
Seated Calf Raise 4 10-12 40, 50, 60, 70 lbs
Cable Ab Pulldown 3 10-12 130, 140, 145 lbs
Farmer's walk 3 25s walk 28, 40, 48 lbs
48 Hour Rest

 

[djmac4u]

Why are you doing more weight on pulldowns than squats?

I trained less on squats/lower back in the early days because I just couldn't. In 2020, the doctors diagnosed the cause of lower back pain as spinal tuberculosis. I took antibiotics for 10 months to recover. Infection is gone but the damage to my spine is permanent. This is the maximum I can squat now without shaking : )

 

[LittleTimeTrouble]

Carbs are protein sparing, but it depends on the overall energy balance.

 

[Mobster]

I trained less on squats/lower back in the early days because I just couldn't. In 2020, the doctors diagnosed the cause of lower back pain as spinal tuberculosis. I took antibiotics for 10 months to recover. Infection is gone but the damage to my spine is permanent. This is the maximum I can squat now without shaking : )

That makes sense. Might the hip belt machine be ok? It loads to the hips

 

[ballin2504]

Not sure your nutritionist knows what they are doing

 

[Topps_Baseball88]

Why so many smoothies and all that fructose and added sugar ?

 

[25homes]

bro get your protein up over 200g and take in clean carbs you will grow

 

[stevesmi]

. She made a suggestion that I am losing muscle mass because my carb intake was low and my body was trying to make energy out of the proteins.

where did this nutritionist get her degree from a cereal box? does she think muscle mass should count as water retention?

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I'd like to clarify few things.
1. I have not started the test cycle yet. It is on hold till I finalize my job change.
2. I did not start following the nutritionist diet yet. She made a suggestion that I am losing muscle mass because my carb intake was low and my body was trying to make energy out of the proteins.

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Some members of this forum asked me to post what I was already eating on a daily basis to help me build a diet around it. So here it is,

Day 1
11:00 AM
Meal 1 - smoothie
Pea Protein 25g
Banana 95g
Blueberries 65g
Oat milk 168g
Walnut 1 piece
Creatine 5g

12:00 PM
Meal 2 - Omlette
Mushroom 42g
Onion 20g
Egg White 76g

2:00 PM
Meal 3 - Lunch
Flat bread 80g
Ground Beef 110g
Veggies(cabbage,cucumber) 1cup

8:00 PM
Meal 4 - Supper
2 Pork Tacos with no cheese (takeout)

Day 2
9:00 AM
Meal 1 - smoothie
Banana 108g
Blueberry 45g
Peanut Butter 14g
Pea Protein 28g
Creatine 5g

11:00 AM
Meal 2 - Omlette
1 Egg White, 1 whole egg
Mushrooms 100

2:00 PM
Meal 3 - Lunch
Ground Beef 110g
Cauliflower and Plantain 1 cup

7:00 PM
Meal 4 - Supper
Ground Beef 108g
Cauliflower, Cucumber, Plantain 1 cup

Day 3
10:00 AM
Meal 1 - smoothie
Banana 84g
Pea Protein 28g
Creatine 5g
walnut 1/4 piece
carrot 35g

1:00 PM
Meal 2 - Lunch
Takeout - Chicken 80g, quinoa and veggies

5:30 PM
Meal 3 - 2 egg Omlette

9:40 PM
Meal 4 - Supper
Plantain 41g
Flat bread 1
Ground beef 110g

And @Eddie Haskell, here's the text format.
I appreciate everybody's input!

Sets Reps Weights
Upper Day 1
Flat BB Bench Press 3 8-10 50, 60, 70 lbs
Seated DB Shoulder Press 4 8-10 25, 27.5, 30, 30 lbs
Lat Pulldown 3 8-10 90, 100, 110 lbs
Seated Cable Rows 4 8-10 85, 90, 95, 95 lbs
DB Seated Bicep Curl 3 10-12 20, 25, 30 lbs
Cable Tricep Pushdown 3 10-12 20, 22.3, 25 lbs
Side Delt Raises 4 10-12 17.5, 20, 20 lbs
24 Hour Rest

Lower Day 1
BB Back Squat 3 6-8 50, 60, 70 lbs
BB Romanian Deadlift 3 8-10 40, 50, 60 lbs
Leg Press 3 8-10 90, 110, 140 lbs
Hamstring Curl 4 10-12 60, 65, 70, 25(one leg) lbs
Standing Calf Raise 4 10-12 60, 65, 70, 70 lbs
Cable Wood Chop 3 10-12 resistance level 15, 15.5, 16
48 Hour Rest

Upper Day 2
Lat Pulldowns 3 8-10 90, 100, 110 lbs
BB Rows 4 8-10 40, 50, 60, 70 lbs
Flat BB Bench Press 3 8-10 50, 60, 70 lbs
Incline DB Bench Press 4 8-10 60, 60, 70, 75 lbs
Overhead Tricep Extension 3 10-12 40, 45, 50 lbs
DB Hammer Curl 3 10-12 25, 27.5, 30 lbs
Facepulls 4 10-12 55, 60, 65, 70 lbs
48 Hour Rest

Lower Day 2
BB Back Squat 3 6-8 50, 60, 70 lbs
BB Romanian Deadlift 3 8-10 40, 50, 60 lbs
Weighted Glute Bridge 3 8-10 50, 60, 70 lbs
Leg Extension 3 10-12 60, 65, 70 lbs
Seated Calf Raise 4 10-12 40, 50, 60, 70 lbs
Cable Ab Pulldown 3 10-12 130, 140, 145 lbs
Farmer's walk 3 25s walk 28, 40, 48 lbs
48 Hour Rest

@djmac4u your nutritionist is very bad. high protein = positive nitrogen balance = muscle gains, Carbs aren't related directly to muscle gains, but protein is.

@djmac4u your diet now is moderate protein high carbs and not enough healthy fats.
you should replace pea protein with egg or milk protiens
cut carbs at night and increase protein

 

[JasonPriest]

your nutritionist sounds like she works with old ladies and not weight lifters. common issue

 

[ceo]

bros you need to up protein and cut carbs and up fats

 

[MONSTRO]

diet needs higher protein

 

[e2]

start by cuttin carbs and adding protein

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

APPROVED LOG

 

[chesty]

get a new coach we can help you
go with high protein higher fats too

 

[Mobster]

@djmac4u your nutritionist is very bad. high protein = positive nitrogen balance = muscle gains, Carbs aren't related directly to muscle gains, but protein is.

@djmac4u your diet now is moderate protein high carbs and not enough healthy fats.
you should replace pea protein with egg or milk protiens
cut carbs at night and increase protein

Indirectly for sure. Your body can use protein for energy