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@haydz Yup I said it MANY times that frequent injections do NOT modulate estrogen down like everyone thinks for some reason. Stopping Ai and doing more frequent injections does NOT lower or balance estrogen e2 and this blood work proves it. @AE1079 this is what I was talking about man, its just facts now above.

@haydz go back on an Ai asap, please remind me you have aromasin or arimidex on hand?

Also why no training updates for the EVO family? please do
yes i’ve got arimidex on hand which i’ll start up again, thanks for the info!
 
@haydz Yup I said it MANY times that frequent injections do NOT modulate estrogen down like everyone thinks for some reason. Stopping Ai and doing more frequent injections does NOT lower or balance estrogen e2 and this blood work proves it. @AE1079 this is what I was talking about man, its just facts now above.

@haydz go back on an Ai asap, please remind me you have aromasin or arimidex on hand?

Also why no training updates for the EVO family? please do
And ED Injections will keep serum more stable. It’s not a replacement for a AI, never have I mentioned that this is going LOWER AI, It’s a method to keep E2 and Test stable and stopping high fluctuations and E2 side effects, so balance yes. E2 doesn’t come down. It will stabilise much more. Then having peaks and trophs.

It works on a lot of people, also some patience and time will so the body can bring itself to a homeostasis and not a midpoint while it’s still adjusting. It may not work for some, but it’s a method to mitigate FLUCTUATIONS causing unwanted side effects.

Like I have told you before @Eddie Haskell you have your beliefs and I have mine 👍🏼 he needs E2 control, but I don’t think this is an argument here bro because he’s doing 3x weekly not 7x weekly.

I don’t see what you are trying to prove based on 3x weekly injections vs 7x.. it’s double the frequency + .2 change
 
yes i’ve got arimidex on hand which i’ll start up again, thanks for the info!
Lets start 0.25mgs EOD with arimidex asap :)
 
And ED Injections will keep serum more stable. It’s not a replacement for a AI, never have I mentioned that this is going LOWER AI, It’s a method to keep E2 and Test stable and stopping high fluctuations and E2 side effects, so balance yes. E2 doesn’t come down. It will stabilise much more. Then having peaks and trophs.

It works on a lot of people, also some patience and time will so the body can bring itself to a homeostasis and not a midpoint while it’s still adjusting. It may not work for some, but it’s a method to mitigate FLUCTUATIONS causing unwanted side effects.

Like I have told you before @Eddie Haskell you have your beliefs and I have mine 👍🏼 he needs E2 control, but I don’t think this is an argument here bro because he’s doing 3x weekly not 7x weekly.

I don’t see what you are trying to prove based on 3x weekly injections vs 7x.. it’s double the frequency + .2 change
@AE1079 I think if the estrogen is 200% higher than normal its clear that more frequent injections didnt help @haydz and honestly @AE1079 I found E2 control even with ED injections (high pip for no reason) its like 20-30% difference at best, if that.
I think that more plats more dates Derek spread this nonsense and everyone is saying it gospel. Blood work every time just blows this out of the water. ED shots are never a replacement for an Ai for majority of users.

I hate to be pushy on this :) but too many guys these days walking around with high E2 thinking frequent shots will help. Sure they help Testosterone spikes and a bit with estrogen but they need an Ai and/or SErM in many cases imo.

I like talking to you AE, we see things on different sides and can discuss man :)
 
When it comes to proper trt the objection I have is why do you need an AI in the first place
I would drop the dose lower
 
@AE1079 I think if the estrogen is 200% higher than normal its clear that more frequent injections didnt help @haydz and honestly @AE1079 I found E2 control even with ED injections (high pip for no reason) its like 20-30% difference at best, if that.
I think that more plats more dates Derek spread this nonsense and everyone is saying it gospel. Blood work every time just blows this out of the water. ED shots are never a replacement for an Ai for majority of users.

I hate to be pushy on this :) but too many guys these days walking around with high E2 thinking frequent shots will help. Sure they help Testosterone spikes and a bit with estrogen but they need an Ai and/or SErM in many cases imo.

I like talking to you AE, we see things on different sides and can discuss man :)
Looking at the 3 x weekly, that’s not going to change anything for E2 most likely another injection at that frequency will increase E2. E2 is responsive to test pending genetics response, but there is always a up with test going up two, we can agree on that.

Even with 20% at best let’s say, imagine then when you stack with primo/mast.. another 20-30%. Like you said previously. They all add up to modulate E2 without a AI + the anabolic benefit is there. I like to think more outside the square I think. MPMD theorised it ? It’s 100% not gospel. However I see the value in daily injections IF, the person is inclined and willing to administer ED. majority of the population will be EOD max. Compliance is an issue, that’s why they give people long estered T as TRT to mitigate injections, the low dose TRT won’t even warrant a use of a AI in most individuals. However I don’t think this is optimal, there’s a fair bit of research gone into ED injections and it looks and anecdotally is more promising then split biweekly or 3x. Long esters you can definitely get away with it, but shorter like E and prop, there will be fluctuations. Response to this is raising E2 by the body to compensate. Sometimes even progesterone.

I don’t think your being pushy, I think your being diligent with it and trying to find the best solution for the problem. I just think AIs aren’t great and I wouldn’t want a client on mine on a AI if we can mitigate with the above. Again not for the majority I will admit. AIs are just so shit bro.. seriously bad on lipids and cholesterol, rebounds can be bad as well leading to more issues after cycle. Some people do need it though I agree. But majority we can mitigate without the use of a AI.. what do you think? If you were in a position where a client comes to you and says @Eddie Haskell i want to run a cycle with no AI, what would you do? Serious question, just more to think outside of the general confines.

Yes I like discussing these things with you, every time you tag me I have their “here we go” moment 😂 nothing but respect 🫡
 
EOD so like 4x a week forever? before i stopped the AI i was on 0.25 x2 a week and my levels seemed quite good
I would go eod 3 days per week for 2 week and after switch to 2x/ week dosing schedule
 
i’m on 125mg per week and that gets me close to the upper limit of the range and i feel great so it’s quite annoying i need an AI for this dose
Some guys are more estrogen prone than other man :)
 
i was just worried about any long term ai side effects (if there are any)
There is side effects.. it’s why I prefer to use other modalities.

Some people just are very high converters.
As we are saying above and what you can gather is that there are many ways to do this.
 
i was just worried about any long term ai side effects (if there are any)
No more side effects than injecting testosterone in the end, if neither is abuse you're fine :)
 
Looking at the 3 x weekly, that’s not going to change anything for E2 most likely another injection at that frequency will increase E2. E2 is responsive to test pending genetics response, but there is always a up with test going up two, we can agree on that.

Even with 20% at best let’s say, imagine then when you stack with primo/mast.. another 20-30%. Like you said previously. They all add up to modulate E2 without a AI + the anabolic benefit is there. I like to think more outside the square I think. MPMD theorised it ? It’s 100% not gospel. However I see the value in daily injections IF, the person is inclined and willing to administer ED. majority of the population will be EOD max. Compliance is an issue, that’s why they give people long estered T as TRT to mitigate injections, the low dose TRT won’t even warrant a use of a AI in most individuals. However I don’t think this is optimal, there’s a fair bit of research gone into ED injections and it looks and anecdotally is more promising then split biweekly or 3x. Long esters you can definitely get away with it, but shorter like E and prop, there will be fluctuations. Response to this is raising E2 by the body to compensate. Sometimes even progesterone.

I don’t think your being pushy, I think your being diligent with it and trying to find the best solution for the problem. I just think AIs aren’t great and I wouldn’t want a client on mine on a AI if we can mitigate with the above. Again not for the majority I will admit. AIs are just so shit bro.. seriously bad on lipids and cholesterol, rebounds can be bad as well leading to more issues after cycle. Some people do need it though I agree. But majority we can mitigate without the use of a AI.. what do you think? If you were in a position where a client comes to you and says @Eddie Haskell i want to run a cycle with no AI, what would you do? Serious question, just more to think outside of the general confines.

Yes I like discussing these things with you, every time you tag me I have their “here we go” moment 😂 nothing but respect 🫡
@AE1079 I think 3x/week of course should change a lot when we compare to 1x/week, and if we can get mid shot bloods would be amazing but that would be difficult and expensive to do.

I would like to see him back on Ai and most guys using low dose Ais if they are on testosterone, base aromatase enzyme control, not just E2 levels.

It's always fun to discuss things with you man :) EVO family love and respect.
 
@AE1079 I think 3x/week of course should change a lot when we compare to 1x/week, and if we can get mid shot bloods would be amazing but that would be difficult and expensive to do.

I would like to see him back on Ai and most guys using low dose Ais if they are on testosterone, base aromatase enzyme control, not just E2 levels.

It's always fun to discuss things with you man :) EVO family love and respect.
Yeah it would make a difference 100%.

I wonder if low dose AI - lets .25 Arimidex lined up with injection frequency for those on TRT would or wouldn’t create sub optimal lipids and cholesterol.

Would like to compare that with a 100mg masteron per week. But I have a feeling the AI will be stronger in comparison of course but will it actually have any benefits?

Would love someone to do this test 😂
 
@haydz Yup I said it MANY times that frequent injections do NOT modulate estrogen down like everyone thinks for some reason. Stopping Ai and doing more frequent injections does NOT lower or balance estrogen e2 and this blood work proves it. @AE1079 this is what I was talking about man, its just facts now above.

@haydz go back on an Ai asap, please remind me you have aromasin or arimidex on hand?

Also why no training updates for the EVO family? please do
Eddie and I agree on this
 
Yeah it would make a difference 100%.

I wonder if low dose AI - lets .25 Arimidex lined up with injection frequency for those on TRT would or wouldn’t create sub optimal lipids and cholesterol.

Would like to compare that with a 100mg masteron per week. But I have a feeling the AI will be stronger in comparison of course but will it actually have any benefits?

Would love someone to do this test 😂
I'm currently doing 0.25 twice a week (days I pin TRT) and cholesterol/ lipids have been steadily improving over the past 4 months since introducing the AI.
Don't have any Mast on hand, but would be curious/willing to run this experiment 😅 Maybe towards the middle of the year after I run a cycle in the new year!
 
I'm currently doing 0.25 twice a week (days I pin TRT) and cholesterol/ lipids have been steadily improving over the past 4 months since introducing the AI.
Don't have any Mast on hand, but would be curious/willing to run this experiment 😅 Maybe towards the middle of the year after I run a cycle in the new year!
Interesting how much arimidex have you been taking? Diet has cleaned up? Cardio?
 
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