Approved Log My Test, Primo, Tren, Anavar, and GH Recomp Log

[hypogaeum]

You can achieve all of this without tren, it does come down to experience and know how. Muscle fullness can come with anavar and hgh from a PED point of view with carb cycling, if you need fullness coming from tren you arent carrying enough muscle tissue or you aren’t experiencing correct outcomes through diet training and nutrition - “fullness” will come and go in a cut, I wouldn’t be so concerned about being full though. It’s trivial and long term it will come. During a bulk, the fullness your after will fade, fullness also comes with more muscle density and development. When you get more mature and more density, the fullness and 3D look is more apparent, but will come through lower levels of body fat.

Very fair.

You can also look into Berberine as a means to improve insulin sensitivity.

I can get my hands on Mounjaro, which I understand can be effective at improving insulin sensitivity and controlling blood sugar. Thoughts on this instead of Berberine?

Sorry mate, but I need to be critical here and allow people to think more broadly and outside of confines where we can do these things in much more efficient way without having to put health at risk and now stressing about watching health markers because we are using tren.

No sorry needed! This is the reason I threw the log up now rather than in the new year when I was about to do my first injection. It's this kind of back and forwards that gets the brain ticking over, and helps refine things!

Option 3 and increase your GH to 4IU

Jump straight into 4IU or work up from 2-3IU? Half in the morning and half at night?

More over then the cycle, the nutrition will be more important and how you plan to cycle the carbs and calories and you leverage modalities in each tool you are using. How many high days, low days, what source of nutrition, lower volume foods on high days, look into this more over then the cycle. The diet is going to amplify the cycle, not the other way around. When we focus too hard on cycles we get subpar results.

Fully on board with you here- diet and training are the things that need to be dialled in. The gear will simply enhance the outcome, rather than the other way around.

 

[AE1079]

If I had to pick an option I would agree with @AE1079 you might need a 3rd option.

option 3 with test primo anavar but boost the anavar out of the gate and lower on the primo 200mgs to start off.

Yep good take

 

[ballin2504]

Switching out for Aromasin, 12.5mg EOD.

Changing from 200mg Beligas to 150mg Rhino Labs (still from @RhinoUGL) due to stock availability.

Good changes

 

[hypogaeum]

Option 3 and increase your GH to 4IU

Currently have 220IU of GH on order, so am thinking I'll keep that at 3IU.

With that in mind, is the below more along the lines of what you were thinking?

Weeks 1–6:

Test E: 300mg/week​

Primo E: 200mg/week​

Anavar: 25mg pre-workout (start with 25mg/day)​

GH: 3 IU/day (5 on, 2 off)​

Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD​

Weeks 7–14:

Test E: 400mg/week​

Primo E: 400mg/week​

Anavar: 25mg pre-workout (consider increasing to 50mg/day depending on how things are going)​

GH: 3 IU/day (5 on, 2 off)​

Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD (consider increasing to 25mg if E2 is too high)​

 

[AE1079]

Currently have 220IU of GH on order, so am thinking I'll keep that at 3IU.

With that in mind, is the below more along the lines of what you were thinking?

Weeks 1–6:

Test E: 300mg/week​

Primo E: 200mg/week​

Anavar: 25mg pre-workout (start with 25mg/day)​

GH: 3 IU/day (5 on, 2 off)​

Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD​

Weeks 7–14:

Test E: 400mg/week​

Primo E: 400mg/week​

Anavar: 25mg pre-workout (consider increasing to 50mg/day depending on how things are going)​

GH: 3 IU/day (5 on, 2 off)​

Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD (consider increasing to 25mg if E2 is too high)​

You won’t get a lot out of the 3IU if I’m honest bro, GH will show more of what it’s about at 4IU and above, considering E2 is at a good level for the conversion to take place. If it’s a budget thing, I would put my primo money into GH if I had to choose between the two.

Just remember you need a good level of E2 to facilitate GH into IGF1 otherwise it’s a waste of money.

 

[hypogaeum]

You won’t get a lot out of the 3IU if I’m honest bro, GH will show more of what it’s about at 4IU and above, considering E2 is at a good level for the conversion to take place. If it’s a budget thing, I would put my primo money into GH if I had to choose between the two.

Just remember you need a good level of E2 to facilitate GH into IGF1 otherwise it’s a waste of money.

Ok, fair enough. Will be my first time with GH, so very willing to take your recommendation.

As far as E2 numbers, 80-120 pmol/L enough?

 

[AE1079]

Ok, fair enough. Will be my first time with GH, so very willing to take your recommendation.

As far as E2 numbers, 80-120 pmol/L enough?

If this is your first time running GH bro you will be pleased with it at 4IU and believe me when I say you will not need tren..

 

[hypogaeum]

If this is your first time running GH bro you will be pleased with it at 4IU and believe me when I say you will not need tren..

Confirming I'll make the change to the cycle to be as follows:

 

[AE1079]

Ok, fair enough. Will be my first time with GH, so very willing to take your recommendation.

As far as E2 numbers, 80-120 pmol/L enough?

Awe

Confirming I'll make the change to the cycle to be as follows:

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Awesome stack design brother

 

[hypogaeum]

This afternoon's workout, and dinner this evening.

Bench Press (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 15 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 15 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 32.5 kg × 12
Set 4: 32.5 kg × 10
Set 5: 32.5 kg × 8
Set 6: 32.5 kg × 6
Set 7: 32.5 kg × 6

Incline Bench Press (Barbell)
Set 1: 60 kg × 10
Set 2: 60 kg × 10
Set 3: 60 kg × 10
Set 4: 60 kg × 10

Incline Bench Press (Cable)
Set 1: 25 kg × 10
Set 2: 25 kg × 10
Set 3: 25 kg × 10
Set 4: 25 kg × 10

Bench Dip
Set 1: 12 reps
Set 2: 12 reps
Set 3: 12 reps
Set 4: 12 reps

Incline Cable Fly (30 second rest between sets)
Set 1: 10 kg × 12
Set 2: 10 kg × 12
Set 3: 10 kg × 12
Set 4: 10 kg × 12
Set 5: 10 kg × 12
Set 6: 10 kg × 12
Set 7: 10 kg × 12

Cycling (Indoor)
5 km | 17:40

 

[Pigsy]

Will be following along, your getting some great advice from @AE1079

 

[25homes]

Current physique, 113kg in the mornings.

Great base

 

[RoySimpson]

G'Day All,

This is my 1st log but have followed plenty in the past and hope to do the Aussie team proud! I’m throwing this up now, but with Christmas (and a three week trip away) I don’t plan to start logging workouts, nutrition, etc until the new year.

Current Stats:
Age: 29
Height: 187cm
Weight: 113kg
Body Fat % (estimated): 18-20% (would be glad of a second opinion here, not sure of I’m underestimating it, so will throw up some photos)
Training Experience (in years): ~10

Training:
Currently training 5 days a week, and then try ensuring active rest on the weekend (walks/ bike rides, park, etc with the kids). Not long changed to a split of back, shoulders and calves, chest, legs, arms.. I am doing 15-45 minutes of cardio 4-5 times a week, at the end of my weight sessions. Generally train in the afternoon, immediately after work.

Diet:
Daily caloric intake currently 2700/ day. Started tracking again, more from a total calories side of things, rather than the macros, but trying to keep the choices sensible and the amounts reasonable for a 40/40/20 split.

Typical Daily Eating:

Breakfast

• Six egg whites, two whole eggs on a slice of wholegrain toast, or
• 200g of Greek yogurt, 30g of oats and a tsp of peanut butter, or
• Protein smoothie with a scoop of protein powder, 200ml of almond milk, one banana and a tbsp of flaxseeds

Lunch

• Lemon herb chicken with roasted potatoes and steamed carrot, or
• Grilled chicken with brown rice and roasted capsicum, with a low-calorie sauce, or
• Grilled chicken in a Thai style satay sauce, with coriander rice and parsley, or
• BBQ chicken with corn and sweet potato, brown rice and a low-calorie sauce

Pre-Workout Snack

• Scoop of protein and a rice cake with honey or jam

Post-Workout Snack

• Protein shake

Dinner (usually my biggest meal of the day as it's after my workout)

• Grilled chicken with roasted or steamed vegetables and sweet potato mash, or
• Stir-fry with lean beef or chicken and plenty of veggies, with noodles, or
• Steak, mashed potato and steamed greens

Supplements:
CoQ10 (300mg/ day)
Omega-3 Fish Oil (3g/ day)
Telmisartan (40mg/ day)
NAC (2g/ day)
L-Carnitine (1g/ day)
MagTaur Xcell (magnesium and taurine blend)
TUDCA (500mg/ day)
Detox Pro (liver and body detoxifier)
Arimidex (0.5mg/ week)

Recent Blood Work (while on 250mg/week of Test E):
Total Testosterone: 44.3 nmol/L (reference range: 8.3–29 nmol/L)
Free Testosterone: 1145.1 pmol/L (reference range: 255.0–725.0 pmol/L)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (reference range: 11–71 nmol/L)
AST: 32 U/L (reference range: <35 U/L)
ALT: 34 U/L (reference range: <40 U/L)
GGT: 31 U/L (reference range: <40 U/L)
E2 (Estradiol): 128 pmol/L (reference range for males <150 pmol/L) (added in Arimidex to bring this down. Target of 40-60 pmol/L)
Hemoglobin: 169 g/L (reference range: 130–180 g/L)
Hematocrit: 0.51 (reference range: 0.40–0.54)
WBC: 5.9 x10^9/L (reference range: 4.0–11.0 x10^9/L)
Platelets: 310 x10^9/L (reference range: 150–400 x10^9/L)
Creatinine: 95 umol/L (reference range: 60–110 umol/L)
eGFR: >90 mL/min/1.73m² (normal kidney function)
Sodium: 139 mmol/L (reference range: 135–145 mmol/L)
Potassium: 5.2 mmol/L (reference range: 3.6–5.4 mmol/L)
Fasting Glucose: 4.7 mmol/L (reference range: 3.4–5.4 mmol/L)

Cycle Plan:
Cycle Goals: Recomp (lean muscle gain while dropping body fat)

Compounds Planned for Use:
Test E (Bayer): 300mg/ week
Primo E (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 300mg/ week
Tren A (Beligas, sponsored by @RhinoUGL): 150mg/ week
Anavar (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 12.5mg pre-workout
Growth Hormone (purchased from @Livewell2024): 3IU/ day
Injection Frequency: Equal amounts, three times a week

Cycle Length: 10 weeks (maybe drop to 8 or extend to 12, depending on bloods), then back to TRT

A couple of points on where my head is at, as far as the cycle and the dosages:

• Will consider increasing Test from week six after I get mid-cycle bloods done.
• I've used Tren several times in the past and absolutely love it, with weekly dosages ranging from 100mg up to 600mg, so understand the sides and what it can/ will do to my bloodwork.
• The aim is lean muscle gain, which I think Primo will tick the box nicely on, and I figure it won't negatively increase E2.

Currently on TRT+ (250mg/ week) and will be dropping back to TRT (150-200mg/ week) after I do this 8-12 week cycle. I don't expect crazy results from what many would consider a small cycle, but a kickstart into the new year and keeping the momentum going is what I'm aiming for.

Those that have seen me around on the forum would have picked up that I’m a big believer in keeping a very close eye on the bloodwork, and I try to understand as much of the theory as possible, with a willingness to keep learning. While my bloods show everything within range at the moment, there are a few things that are in the higher end, which I am aware of and actively monitoring/ treating.

Additional Notes:

I started working out when I was 16 and have done a mix of powerlifting and bodybuilding up until about three years ago. Ended up taking nearly two years off with knee and hip issues. Body fat ballooned during the time where I wasn't working out, and I went from 112kg at 12% all the way up to 130kg. Had quite bad lethargy, low motivation, low sex drive, etc and a blood test ordered by the doctor showed my test levels were down the drain (free test was at 193 pmol/L).

The doctor was reluctant to go down the path of TRT, so I went to a TRT clinic and got a second opinion with a second blood test. Free test wasn’t any better on the second blood test (204 pmol/L) and they immediately gave the green light.

Since then, have dropped to 113kg and have a good 6 months of consistency around both training and diet. Originally had a target of 105kg (based on my calculations of what my lean body mass is, I’d expect to be 12-13% body fat at this weight (provided my estimation of my body fat is correct) so will be looking to continue dropping fat while (re)building muscle. Particularly keen to keep the accountability high, as well as get real-time advice and recommendations from the crew that are killing it on here.

Happy to take thoughts/ suggestions as to how to further optimise.

Also, I am planning to post workouts with exercises and weights, food pics with macros, pics of my current look, as well as throughout the cycle, etc.

Thanks legends.

@hypogaeum Solid log right here!

 

[hypogaeum]

@hypogaeum Solid log right here!

A template really helps! Credit to @DiabolicalGainz.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Confirming I'll make the change to the cycle to be as follows:

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I like this cycle but how do you feel 1:1 testrimo? might crash your estrogen imo @AE1079 thoughts?

 

[AE1079]

I like this cycle but how do you feel 1:1 testrimo? might crash your estrogen imo @AE1079 thoughts?

Looking at the physique bro I don’t think it will crash his E2, he has some room to move up test as well so he can get more out of the hgh too as a escalation later in the cycle without increasing GH dose, I reckon it will be a solid cycle and he can adjust as he goes when we see his progress

 

[hypogaeum]

I like this cycle but how do you feel 1:1 testrimo? might crash your estrogen imo @AE1079 thoughts?

My estrogen runs on the higher side. On 250mg/ week and 0.5mg of Arimidex, I'm at 128 pmol/L.

 

[hypogaeum]

I'm at 128 pmol/L.

Target is 80-120 pmol/L so I have enough E2 for the GH to work with.

 

[Pigsy]

Looking at the physique bro I don’t think it will crash his E2, he has some room to move up test as well so he can get more out of the hgh too as a escalation later in the cycle without increasing GH dose, I reckon it will be a solid cycle and he can adjust as he goes when we see his progress

Agree here, very sound advice. Can't add any more

 

[Eddie Haskell]

My estrogen runs on the higher side. On 250mg/ week and 0.5mg of Arimidex, I'm at 128 pmol/L.

In that case I see why you have 1:1 on primobolan