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Need Help ASAP with High Estrogen - Feel Terrible

knoxville

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Hi all -

I've been through 5 or 6 cycles without issue. This summer I ran a very low dose test E/Materson cycle at 400/400 week. After going through a few cycles I thought this was such a low dose that I did not think I would move the needle enough to need a PCT.

Well, I'm an idiot. I feel brutal. Got labs back (attaching image) and Estrogen is high. In case the image does not show up my test levels are 45.4 nmol/L (normal range 7.6 - 31.4 nmol/L) and my estrogen is 172 pmol/L (normal range < 159).

I have all PCT components on hand. I am 6 weeks out of taking anything. I am not sure what to start at this point - the entire PCT? Can I please have some recommendations ASAP? I am really not feeling well.

Labs here:

 
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Estrogen follows test levels so if your test is high i would expect to see higher estrogen. Your numbers are not crazy at all.
So you are on cycle now? What are you taking? What ancillaries are you taking?
These are not enough labs to determine anything.
Do you have more?
 
off cycle for 5 weeks now. I feel like I got high with a super anxiety rush (and I never have anxiety) and heart palpatations. I can't focus worth crap.
 
Hi all -

I've been through 5 or 6 cycles without issue. This summer I ran a very low dose test E/Materson cycle at 400/400 week. After going through a few cycles I thought this was such a low dose that I did not think I would move the needle enough to need a PCT.

Well, I'm an idiot. I feel brutal. Got labs back (attaching image) and Estrogen is high. In case the image does not show up my test levels are 45.4 nmol/L (normal range 7.6 - 31.4 nmol/L) and my estrogen is 172 pmol/L (normal range < 159).

I have all PCT components on hand. I am 6 weeks out of taking anything. I am not sure what to start at this point - the entire PCT? Can I please have some recommendations ASAP? I am really not feeling well.

Labs here:


When you say you are not feeling well what do you mean exactly? What symptoms have you noticed? Are you still on your cycle?

If you're still on cycle I would consider taking a look at some Aromasin maybe around 12.5mg EOD of Aromasin or and 0.5-1mg of Arimidex EOD as well. If any symptoms persists you can increase the Aromasin to 25mg Daily but monitor for any side effects like joint pain or fatigue. If you still notice estro related symptoms and there is not much improvement you can increase the Arimidex to 1mg daily.

Keep us posted bro.
 
off cycle for 5 weeks now. I feel like I got high with a super anxiety rush (and I never have anxiety) and heart palpatations. I can't focus worth crap.
What were you taking? Levels are still up there for being five weeks off.
Are you totally off or taking low dose
Do you have other bloods?
Where you taking an AI while on cycle?
If you want help you need to answer the questions you are asked.
 
I was on 400 mg/test and 400 mg/mast. I was on TRT before at 150mg/week. I have returned to that. I don't have any more blood besides what I posted in the image. DHEA within normal range. Cycle ended 5 weeks ago, The following week I returned to my normal does. I never thought it was high enough to warrant a PCT. I was not on an AI. My symptoms are insane anxiety (I never had anxiety) as well as heart palpatations, shakiness, worry, night sweats. Should I take and AI EOD along with Novaldex?
 
I was on 400 mg/test and 400 mg/mast. I was on TRT before at 150mg/week. I have returned to that. I don't have any more blood besides what I posted in the image. DHEA within normal range. Cycle ended 5 weeks ago, The following week I returned to my normal does. I never thought it was high enough to warrant a PCT. I was not on an AI. My symptoms are insane anxiety (I never had anxiety) as well as heart palpatations, shakiness, worry, night sweats. Should I take and AI EOD along with Novaldex?
Yes do that for 2 weeks and go back for some more bloods and get a full analysis. Start with 25mg EOD of Aromasin and then taper it down, 20mg of Nolvadex E.D should be find but you can increase to 40mg E.D if need be. If you continue to have heart pulpitations as in big jumps like the kind you see when someone drinks 10 energy drinks then you need to go to hospital. Get onto the Aromasin straight away and Nolvadex and give yourself a few days. Drink plenty of water. No junk food or alchohol.
 
Also consider dropping your TRT down to 100mg/week until everything is managed and under control. Next time you go for bloods you want to run a check for the following:

Complete Blood Count
Complete Metabolic Profile
C-Reactive Protein
Testosterone, Free + Total
Kidney
Liver
Thyroid (TSH, T3, T4)
Cholesterol Status
Protein (SHBG + Albumin)
Adrenal Hormones
Estadiol (E2)
Prolactin
Hemoglobin A1C
Fasting Serum Insulin
5a-DHT
 
Should I taper down the A after a week, or two? Thanks for all the great advice. I’ve always jumped straight on pct 2 weeks out. At 5 weeks I was a little unsure what to do. I need to get rid of this anxiety and dark thoughts. Seems like im super sensitive to high E.
 
Also consider dropping your TRT down to 100mg/week until everything is managed and under control. Next time you go for bloods you want to run a check for the following:

Complete Blood Count
Complete Metabolic Profile
C-Reactive Protein
Testosterone, Free + Total
Kidney
Liver
Thyroid (TSH, T3, T4)
Cholesterol Status
Protein (SHBG + Albumin)
Adrenal Hormones
Estadiol (E2)
Prolactin
Hemoglobin A1C
Fasting Serum Insulin
5a-DHT
I am grateful for you my friend.
 
Should I taper down the A after a week, or two? Thanks for all the great advice. I’ve always jumped straight on pct 2 weeks out. At 5 weeks I was a little unsure what to do. I need to get rid of this anxiety and dark thoughts. Seems like im super sensitive to high E.
Yeah run it down to 12.5mg EOD after week 1, continue with the Tamoxifen for 4 weeks, keep that at 20mg a day for now but increase it to 40mg E.D if you don't notice any difference. Do your bloods at the end of week 3 and just check and see where you are at it will give you a better indication as to where you are heading. Maybe run a very small dose of Arimidex during your next cycle and have a look at something like HCG for example. HCG can positively impact E2 levels Post cycle as well and is a better alternative in my opinion.
 
I had the same issue coming off cycle.
My e2 was 250 on cycle and didn't come down when I came off I wasn't running anything for e2 due to higher test.
This cycle I have taken primo to keep my e2 in check and it's now 150.
Seems that e2 doesn't drop at the same rate that rest does causing the balance to get messed up.
But best check with the other boys I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about 🤣
 
I was on 400 mg/test and 400 mg/mast. I was on TRT before at 150mg/week. I have returned to that. I don't have any more blood besides what I posted in the image. DHEA within normal range. Cycle ended 5 weeks ago, The following week I returned to my normal does. I never thought it was high enough to warrant a PCT. I was not on an AI. My symptoms are insane anxiety (I never had anxiety) as well as heart palpatations, shakiness, worry, night sweats. Should I take and AI EOD along with Novaldex?
If your on trt then you won’t pct. Why would you think you would need to? This is why you have 5 people telling you to pct. You need to give complete info when asking for advice.
If your test is that high on your trt dose then your taking too much. Lower your dose and estrogen will follow.
Your getting in your head about this.
 
If your on TRT start taking 25mg proviron and 20mg Cardarine per day. I think u will be surprised how well u will feel on those.

Proviron will get rid of anxiety and cardarine will mellow your heart.

Vision has a great article written about how safe it is to use proviron and that it helps anxiety in almost everyone.
 
run a correct dose of trt
Even 90mg a week. Ur estrogen will fall in inline.
 
I was mistaken - My doc had put me in 120mg/week. I did the math above at a 250mg/ml bottle and not 200. So it’s not 150.

I have been through a week of hell. This has been by far the darkest period in my life. I haven’t slept. I’m up every two hours, I have night sweats, I’m incredibly emotional, my dick feels numb, I cannot get hard, cannot ejaculate, I cannot work, I’ve had seriously dark thoughts, I have life altering anxiety. And it all hit like a tidal wave last weekend. In the normal course of events, my friends and family all come to me as the stable one….

I started 25mg of AI Tuesday and 20 mg of Nolva - 5 weeks out as recommended above.

You know I’ve ran many cycles with proper pct amd I NEVER thought I would needed anything with a simple test and mast run. I did run it for 20 weeks. Maybe that did me in.

Anyways just a check in.
 
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I was mistaken - My doc had put me in 120mg/week. I did the math above at a 250mg/ml bottle and not 200. So it’s not 150.

I have been through a week of hell. This has been by far the darkest period in my life. I haven’t slept. I’m up every two hours, I have night sweats, I’m incredibly emotional, my dick feels numb, I cannot get hard, cannot ejaculate, I cannot work, I’ve had seriously dark thoughts, I have life altering anxiety. And it all hit like a tidal wave last weekend. In the normal course of events, my friends and family all come to me as the stable one….

I started 25mg of AI Tuesday and 20 mg of Nolva - 5 weeks out as recommended above.

You know I’ve ran many cycles with proper pct amd I NEVER thought I would needed anything with a simple test and mast run. I did run it for 20 weeks. Maybe that did me in.

Anyways just a check in.
Have you gotten bloodwork? Just assuming high estrogen and throwing drugs at it is not wise.
Why are you taking nolva? Your on TRT. You don't PCT.
You didn't provide accurate info from the start and then you had guys giving you inaccurate advice.
 
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