Need some advice with AI and recently low Estrogen.

[DCB82]

Hi everyone, currently on second blast cycle of Sustanon every 3 days for a total of 700mg/week. Coach had me taking 0.5mg of Arimidex on Monday and Fridays.
I started feeling really bad, and at the same time got a stomach virus. Anyways, suspected possible low E, so I cut my Arimidex back to 0.25mg twice per week for one week and had bloods drawn.

The sensitive estrogen test came back at <2.5 with a normal range of 8-35. So def crashed estrogen. I since cut back to 0.25mg once per week of Arimidex, and thinking about running zero AI for a while?
My last blast I ran 500mg/wk of Test E and had zero sides or issues without using any AI.
I am having some paranoia about gyno and some perceived pain in my upper left pec, but almost like a strained muscle??? No itchy nips but do feel some tingling a day or so after injections. Could be the test prop hitting in the Sust?
I’ll attach some pics to let you guys see if you see any gyno signs. Although doesn’t seem possible with the low estrogen.
Guess I’m just wondering how to proceed from here…coach doesn’t seem concerned with the crushed Estrogen

 

[DCB82]

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[LevButlerov]

Hi everyone, currently on second blast cycle of Sustanon every 3 days for a total of 700mg/week. Coach had me taking 0.5mg of Arimidex on Monday and Fridays.
I started feeling really bad, and at the same time got a stomach virus. Anyways, suspected possible low E, so I cut my Arimidex back to 0.25mg twice per week for one week and had bloods drawn.

The sensitive estrogen test came back at <2.5 with a normal range of 8-35. So def crashed estrogen. I since cut back to 0.25mg once per week of Arimidex, and thinking about running zero AI for a while?
My last blast I ran 500mg/wk of Test E and had zero sides or issues without using any AI.
I am having some paranoia about gyno and some perceived pain in my upper left pec, but almost like a strained muscle??? No itchy nips but do feel some tingling a day or so after injections. Could be the test prop hitting in the Sust?
I’ll attach some pics to let you guys see if you see any gyno signs. Although doesn’t seem possible with the low estrogen.
Guess I’m just wondering how to proceed from here…coach doesn’t seem concerned with the crushed Estrogen

Tried to attach to original post, but keep getting error message.

@DCB82 welcome to the EVO family
Your cycle is interesting but curious with the low estrogen, its not normal to crush estrogen to that level with 0.5mgs arimidex.

Gyno
Does your pic look like gyno? sure its possible, I would say there might be gyno there.
You have tamoxifen?

Hormones
The issue with hormones, estrogen and cortisol and even more, they are not related to just testosterone or estrogen, its related to food, training, cardio sleep and more. If you don't sleep for 2 nights go take a testosterone test, it will be crashed.

Brands
What brand of sustanon are you using? and did you use it before?

Log?
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[stevesmi]

low estrogen can definitely be an issue
You have to balance things out but be careful a lot of people in your situation and up having too high estrogen so you've got a monitor things from here and find your balance

 

[JasonPriest]

definitely get a log going that would be the best way we can help you
in the meantime stopped the AI

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro you got a nice physique
i like my white boys with some size
get a log going let's see more

 

[Quadsweep]

my advice is get your log going as soon as possible
this way we can monitor what's going on you don't want any estrogen rebound

 

[Mobster]

Hi everyone, currently on second blast cycle of Sustanon every 3 days for a total of 700mg/week. Coach had me taking 0.5mg of Arimidex on Monday and Fridays.
I started feeling really bad, and at the same time got a stomach virus. Anyways, suspected possible low E, so I cut my Arimidex back to 0.25mg twice per week for one week and had bloods drawn.

The sensitive estrogen test came back at <2.5 with a normal range of 8-35. So def crashed estrogen. I since cut back to 0.25mg once per week of Arimidex, and thinking about running zero AI for a while?
My last blast I ran 500mg/wk of Test E and had zero sides or issues without using any AI.
I am having some paranoia about gyno and some perceived pain in my upper left pec, but almost like a strained muscle??? No itchy nips but do feel some tingling a day or so after injections. Could be the test prop hitting in the Sust?
I’ll attach some pics to let you guys see if you see any gyno signs. Although doesn’t seem possible with the low estrogen.
Guess I’m just wondering how to proceed from here…coach doesn’t seem concerned with the crushed Estrogen

Do you take time off completely between cycles? If not that's why you're having issues

 

[AE1079]

Time for a new coach bro..
crushed E2 is thee worse thing you can do.
Sounds a bit messy.

 

[AE1079]

Hi everyone, currently on second blast cycle of Sustanon every 3 days for a total of 700mg/week. Coach had me taking 0.5mg of Arimidex on Monday and Fridays.
I started feeling really bad, and at the same time got a stomach virus. Anyways, suspected possible low E, so I cut my Arimidex back to 0.25mg twice per week for one week and had bloods drawn.

The sensitive estrogen test came back at <2.5 with a normal range of 8-35. So def crashed estrogen. I since cut back to 0.25mg once per week of Arimidex, and thinking about running zero AI for a while?
My last blast I ran 500mg/wk of Test E and had zero sides or issues without using any AI.
I am having some paranoia about gyno and some perceived pain in my upper left pec, but almost like a strained muscle??? No itchy nips but do feel some tingling a day or so after injections. Could be the test prop hitting in the Sust?
I’ll attach some pics to let you guys see if you see any gyno signs. Although doesn’t seem possible with the low estrogen.
Guess I’m just wondering how to proceed from here…coach doesn’t seem concerned with the crushed Estrogen

To give some insight
700mg a week
In a 6 day cycle, you’re injecting 350mg every 3 days.
At the start of using sus, the the short esters will cause small spikes in total test, which will also spike total E2. The long esters still have some time to hit the blood stream in concentration serum from the depot, so E2 won’t be at its highest.

But as you keep going, those long esters come into effect, and each jab you do creates a larger and larger bolus of test as time goes on due to the weeks of build up of long acting esters + quick acting working right away, and E2 sides will present further down the track. To mitigate this is simple.

Jab ED in small amounts. This will stop E2 from spiking due to large amounts being put in the body at a time, T goes up, E2 follows.

however it sounds like you don’t aromatise easily, I don’t think there is a need for AIs at all. E2 should be around 80-100, 120 is acceptable too.

I would suggest this, dropping sus back down to 500mg and swapping for daily injections, can probably get away with EOD. Get some bloods 4 weeks later, if E2 is within reference range, then titrate at your discretion, but you have to keep a eye on E2 for this to find your sweet spot with no use of a AI.

This is way more sensible and effective way to approach it so you aren’t blasting yourself with drugs you don’t need.

 

[DCB82]

Do you take time off completely between cycles? If not that's why you're having issues

Yea I was on cruise dose for 6 months.

 

[DCB82]

To give some insight
700mg a week
In a 6 day cycle, you’re injecting 350mg every 3 days.
At the start of using sus, the the short esters will cause small spikes in total test, which will also spike total E2. The long esters still have some time to hit the blood stream in concentration serum from the depot, so E2 won’t be at its highest.

But as you keep going, those long esters come into effect, and each jab you do creates a larger and larger bolus of test as time goes on due to the weeks of build up of long acting esters + quick acting working right away, and E2 sides will present further down the track. To mitigate this is simple.

Jab ED in small amounts. This will stop E2 from spiking due to large amounts being put in the body at a time, T goes up, E2 follows.

however it sounds like you don’t aromatise easily, I don’t think there is a need for AIs at all. E2 should be around 80-100, 120 is acceptable too.

I would suggest this, dropping sus back down to 500mg and swapping for daily injections, can probably get away with EOD. Get some bloods 4 weeks later, if E2 is within reference range, then titrate at your discretion, but you have to keep a eye on E2 for this to find your sweet spot with no use of a AI.

This is way more sensible and effective way to approach it so you aren’t blasting yourself with drugs you don’t need.

Thank you for the information and the detailed explanation.
I think lowering the dose to 500 is a good idea. I seemed to have zero issues and was even heavier with less body fat this past spring when I was doing 500/wk of test e and zero ai.

 

[Mobster]

Yea I was on cruise dose for 6 months.

I like AE's reply as I feel it's specfic to you vs mine which I suspect applies to many who stay on far too long. They will have some kind of issue

Something else too. There ARE some who can get away without an AI but, as Stevesmi and I pointed out on one podcasts circumstances (and as in your case bodyfat) can change. Just by way of an indirect example I can't eat certain foods now I could smash as a kid. How we respond to PEDs can alter with age, bodyfat, meds we use, doses etc. If was being studied the variables would be fixed

 

[ballin2504]

Looks like the guys got ya covered. But I would say do like aromasin better

 

[25homes]

Why I never use ai unless I see symptoms