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Need some assistance with labs on this cycle Test/EQ/tbol

I know I know I apologize. I haven't had time to keep updated my log here but I have been tracking it myself. Diet and training has not changed from the previous log. Still slightly above maintenance cals, no change in foods or anything. The only thing that has changed is the gear.
@Hsc318 well lets see your foods and lets see the main thing whats your training like weights sets reps and exercises so we can see if you're overtraining of whats the issue, cortisol can cause serious bloat and if you overtain cortisol issues. Lets see you post a new log first so we can actually give you help.
 
I think it could come down into the diet and how much food you might be eating and the kinds of food

It's not... Again, literally no change in foods from my last diet the last 3+ years. The same diet I was on during my last tren/test cycle and have been on for cruising. Only difference is instead of 5000-6000 cals and still losing fat on tren and test I'm eating right around maintenance with lower carbs, and have gained 15lbs of water weight in 3 weeks. My food and diet has been consistent for years, never changed. My training has been consistent for years as well and is the same type of strength based/strongman training I've always done that's in my prior logs.

The ONLY difference is the oral "tbol" which I'm 99% isnt tbol. The supplier through napsgear sent me very under dosed test, why would I assume the "tbol" they sent is actually tbol when I've gained this much water weight in a short time?

I'm not asking if people can evaluate my diet because I know my diet and I know how consistent I am. See my tren log and you will see every single supplement I take and type of food I eat and that hasn't changed.

What I am asking is if anyone knows if dbol ACTUALLY shows up on an E2 test, because from what I've read in the article I linked, it does not. And if it does not, the only way to know it's dbol is to have it tested (which is unreliable) or go off the fact that I've gained 15lbs of water which should not happen on tbol, under dosed test, or EQ....
 
One of the guys above posted based on bloods it doesn't look like dbol incase you missed the post I did read that was posted up in the thread. The only real way other than a blood test is sending it off to get legitimate testing done on the compound, I believe someone said the estrogen was completely in check with the bloodwork. Unless you are on AI which is what is controlling the estrogen
 
One of the guys above posted based on bloods it doesn't look like dbol incase you missed the post I did read that was posted up in the thread. The only real way other than a blood test is sending it off to get legitimate testing done on the compound, I believe someone said the estrogen was completely in check with the bloodwork. Unless you are on AI which is what is controlling the estrogen
My estrogen is much lower than normal on the same AI dose I'm on when cruising, could be this under dosed test causing less aromatization or the EQ driving it down I think. My main concern was how high my free test is (even on under dosed test) compared to normal and I've never seen tbol increase free test that much. That kinda leads me back to it being dbol, but without knowing for sure about how E2 is effected by dbol I can't tell. It seems no one has actually tested whether dbol has an effect on estradiol levels, we all just assume it does since it's known to aromatize grater than other compounds.

I dropped the oral, so if it was dbol I'm expecting to see this water weight shed off soon. Also ordered test and EQ from another vender cause I have zero trust for this original one any longer.
 
My estrogen is much lower than normal on the same AI dose I'm on when cruising, could be this under dosed test causing less aromatization or the EQ driving it down I think. My main concern was how high my free test is (even on under dosed test) compared to normal and I've never seen tbol increase free test that much. That kinda leads me back to it being dbol, but without knowing for sure about how E2 is effected by dbol I can't tell. It seems no one has actually tested whether dbol has an effect on estradiol levels, we all just assume it does since it's known to aromatize grater than other compounds.

I dropped the oral, so if it was dbol I'm expecting to see this water weight shed off soon. Also ordered test and EQ from another vender cause I have zero trust for this original one any longer.
@Hsc318 I would not panic in this situation I would stop the orals and keep training for 4 weeks while you update your new log (i heard it's coming) with training and your regiment and in 4 weeks we can do another blood work and see whats the impact and situation with E2.
 
My estrogen is much lower than normal on the same AI dose I'm on when cruising, could be this under dosed test causing less aromatization or the EQ driving it down I think. My main concern was how high my free test is (even on under dosed test) compared to normal and I've never seen tbol increase free test that much. That kinda leads me back to it being dbol, but without knowing for sure about how E2 is effected by dbol I can't tell. It seems no one has actually tested whether dbol has an effect on estradiol levels, we all just assume it does since it's known to aromatize grater than other compounds.

I dropped the oral, so if it was dbol I'm expecting to see this water weight shed off soon. Also ordered test and EQ from another vender cause I have zero trust for this original one any longer.
Definitely a smart move dropping the oral out that will help you and us hopefully find out if it was infact the oral the whole time creating the issue.

Tbol certainly shouldn't spike testosterone levels like that. I would like to find out, which company is the Tbol from, the source is clear but I missed which company the tbol came from, unless you posted that and I missed it.

Mix-up sometimes happens it is a good thing u are on AI otherwise that could have been a nightmare situation for you.
 
Started a cycle of 300mg/wk test E, 300mg/wk EQ, and what was supposed to be 40mg/ed oral tbol kickstart... I am very very confident I was sent oral dbol instead however. I am holding water more, feeling bloated but very strong. It's been 4 weeks on this cycle and I'm up over 15lbs, which is NOT what I was wanting. Needless to say I'm in it now though.

I need some help interpreting my labs. Note both labs were done on Thursday before injecting my second dose for the week (I inject on Monday and Thursday evenings)

These results are on 200-225mg Test C cruise only with Aromasin 6.25mg 3x per week.

Total test: 882ng/dl
Free test: 25.4pg/ml
E2: 36.3pg/ml

These above results were done right before starting and through LabCorp.

Current labs after four weeks on Test E 300/EQ 300 and what I assume is now dbol 40mg per day with the same 6.25mg Aromasin 3x per week

Total test: 575ng/dl
Free test: 171pg/ml
E2: <15pg/ml

These second labs were done through Quest Diagnostics. Now first off why the hell is Quest only giving me a reading of "<15" on my e2 and not an actual number? That pisses me off.

Is this normal on what I assume is dbol? I've never been on it before and wasn't planning to; however, I "feel" like my estrogen is elevated and I am holding water but if that e2 result is to be believed it's low. I've read dbol may or may not show up on e2 but not read anything solid on it. I've also heard EQ acts as it's on AI in a way which is why I wanted to stay on my normal AI dose despite upping test sightly to see how the EQ effected e2. So I'm wondering what to make of this data from my labs at this point and how to press forward. Don't wanna get gyno and I planned to kick start with tbol 5-6 weeks before adding tren in to finish off the cycle. Right now I have no symptoms other than bloat, I planned to go another week on 30mg dbol while starting tren then dropping the dbol. Am I good to do that and just stay with my normal 6.25mg Aromasin dose 3x per week?
Here’s the other thing I don’t understand. First, at 200mg/wk TRT, 882 is really low. Second, at 882, to have free test of 25 your shbg has got to be over a hundred, which is almost unheard of with TRT. It’s like .25% free test to test. If both tests were done at the same place, I’d suggest they recalibrate their equipment. But with this I am really confused. Maybe my math is off, but I don’t think so.
 
Definitely a smart move dropping the oral out that will help you and us hopefully find out if it was infact the oral the whole time creating the issue.

Tbol certainly shouldn't spike testosterone levels like that. I would like to find out, which company is the Tbol from, the source is clear but I missed which company the tbol came from, unless you posted that and I missed it.

Mix-up sometimes happens it is a good thing u are on AI otherwise that could have been a nightmare situation for you.
I don’t think anything can spike exogenous test levels. It’s not like there is bodily function to interfere with. It’s a very curious situation.
 
I don’t think anything can spike exogenous test levels. It’s not like there is bodily function to interfere with. It’s a very curious situation.
Yeah nothing to my knowledge can accomplish that other than taking certain compounds that can achieve that, curious case indeed id like to why how and why myself
 
Here’s the other thing I don’t understand. First, at 200mg/wk TRT, 882 is really low. Second, at 882, to have free test of 25 your shbg has got to be over a hundred, which is almost unheard of with TRT. It’s like .25% free test to test. If both tests were done at the same place, I’d suggest they recalibrate their equipment. But with this I am really confused. Maybe my math is off, but I don’t think so.

So with that my TRT is dosed 100mg Monday and 100mg Thursday to keep things stable. I get my labs done on Thursdays prior to my second injection so I can see where my levels are at the lowest point right before I do my next injection. I have had labs done closer to Mondays and my total test on trt spikes around 1000-1200 then tapers off to around 770-880 right before my next injection.

I did the same injection and testing schedule on this 300mg test and the total testosterone was that much lower. However, free test was through the roof which i assume is due to the "Dbol".

Furthermore, I used Quest this time when I usually use LabCorp, so maybe that had something to do with it? I'm not sure but they used the same type of testing method.

As for SHBG. Looking at some past TRT lab work I have these results from 200mg TRT:

Total Test 1060 ng/dl
Free Test 31.8 pg/ml
SHBG 26.1 nmol/l
 
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Definitely a smart move dropping the oral out that will help you and us hopefully find out if it was infact the oral the whole time creating the issue.

Tbol certainly shouldn't spike testosterone levels like that. I would like to find out, which company is the Tbol from, the source is clear but I missed which company the tbol came from, unless you posted that and I missed it.

Mix-up sometimes happens it is a good thing u are on AI otherwise that could have been a nightmare situation for you.

I didn't mention the company directly yet as I didn't know if there was a rule against that. If you DM me I can let you know though.
 
I didn't mention the company directly yet as I didn't know if there was a rule against that. If you DM me I can let you know though.
Definitely a good way at handling it being respectful brother. I just hope u get it figured out, you don't have to tell me the source. I was just curious because I wanted to see if you contacted one of the reps for the company if it is one of out approved sources on here, if you have issues and run into a problem I would certainly contact them and speak about it with them as well.
 
So with that my TRT is dosed 100mg Monday and 100mg Thursday to keep things stable. I get my labs done on Thursdays prior to my second injection so I can see where my levels are at the lowest point right before I do my next injection. I have had labs done closer to Mondays and my total test on trt spikes around 1000-1200 then tapers off to around 770-880 right before my next injection.

I did the same injection and testing schedule on this 300mg test and the total testosterone was that much lower. However, free test was through the roof which i assume is due to the "Dbol".

Furthermore, I used Quest this time when I usually use LabCorp, so maybe that had something to do with it? I'm not sure but they used the same type of testing method.

As for SHBG. Looking at some past TRT lab work I have these results from 200mg TRT:

Total Test 1060 ng/dl
Free Test 31.8 pg/ml
SHBG 26.1 nmol/l
Weird. Using the total and shbg numbers, I get 293 pg/ml free.
 
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