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Absolutely. One issue with gels was they rubbed off onto sheets and even female partners.
I'd also question the need for many such applications (5x a week??) vs 1-2 x a month injecting.
Lawyerguy1
Growing Brother
Update posted on new thread. The blood work I did on my own right before cutting back to prescribed amounts only, it just came in. You can now compare during cycle levels to how it phased down 8 days later to the MD ordered tests.
Lawyerguy1
Growing Brother
Update posted on new thread. The blood work I did on my own right before cutting back to prescribed amounts only, it just came in. You can now compare during cycle levels to how it phased down 8 days later to the MD ordered tests.
Lawyerguy1
Growing Brother
Update posted on new thread. The blood work I did on my own right before cutting back to prescribed amounts only, it just came in. You can now compare during cycle levels to how it phased down 8 days later to the MD ordered tests.
Lawyerguy1
Growing Brother
Update posted on new thread. The blood work I did on my own right before cutting back to prescribed amounts only, it just came in. You can now compare during cycle levels to how it phased down 8 days later to the MD ordered tests.
Lawyerguy1
Growing Brother
Update posted on new thread. The blood work I did on my own right before cutting back to prescribed amounts only, it just came in. You can now compare during cycle levels to how it phased down 8 days later to the MD ordered tests.
Lawyerguy1
Growing Brother
Update posted on new thread. The blood work I did on my own right before cutting back to prescribed amounts only, it just came in. You can now compare during cycle levels to how it phased down 8 days later to the MD ordered tests.
Lawyerguy1
Growing Brother
Update posted on new thread. The blood work I did on my own right before cutting back to prescribed amounts only, it just came in. You can now compare during cycle levels to how it phased down 8 days later to the MD ordered tests.
Lawyerguy1
Growing Brother
Update posted on new thread. The blood work I did on my own right before cutting back to prescribed amounts only, it just came in. You can now compare during cycle levels to how it phased down 8 days later to the MD ordered tests.
Lawyerguy1
Growing Brother
Update posted on new thread. The blood work I did on my own right before cutting back to prescribed amounts only, it just came in. You can now compare during cycle levels to how it phased down 8 days later to the MD ordered tests.
@Lawyerguy1 looks fine I responded but I have doubts about this for majority of the guys.Update posted on new thread. The blood work I did on my own right before cutting back to prescribed amounts only, it just came in. You can now compare during cycle levels to how it phased down 8 days later to the MD ordered tests.
nice to see the bloodsOk, it’s not a log but it’s at least some info.
My last and recent post (look it up) was b/c I am on MD prescribed gel for TRT, but I also order extra on my own and take it in a blast/cruise fashion along with the occasional anavar/sarm cycle. I was in the middle of this a couple weeks ago only to discover my MD needs new bloodwork to renew my prescription.
And so the question: How long to leave off of the extra “blast” of gel before getting the bloodwork for my doc? Keep in mind, the gels are daily and actual simple testosterone, and so a very short half-life.
My thought was to simply take only prescribed amounts for 8 days and then blood test and I got support for this, but there was also a suggestion to take nothing at all for a week. I went with Door Number One, thinking that taking a short half-life gel as prescribed, my levels should still fall to within a “normal” looking range. Well, I did, and they did. These results were after me going back to simply (appropriately) prescribed amounts of gel. The doc of course ordered all kinds of bloodwork, but here are pics of some results. After first being on a blast of gel for quite a while and then taking only prescribed amounts for 8 days here’s where I ended up at, just so you know. I do also take stuff to help keep estrogen in line while on these higher amounts, and this recent testing also shows I’ve been doing a nice job of it.
I will add some info to this. I know gel gets a bad rap, and I can understand that, but hear me out a bit. It is very successful in terms of an actual TRT program, and there are likely also advantages. With most forms of testosterone injections you’re taking a substance that has a very long half life, which is why injections are anywhere from every week (at the shortest) to every 3 weeks (at the longest). You CAN take daily injections of short half life testosterone but then it’s a pain in the ass (see what I did there?) daily injection. The advantage of the longer chain/longer half life forms is convenience, you inject only every so often. The disadvantage is that they are harder to dial in/adjust on short notice and you can’t get the natural daily ebb and flow of higher/lower testosterone like your body would have if it was simply producing its own and in its natural rhythm. Daily injections and/or daily gel will bring you into an acceptable daily range while still maintaining a normal daily high/low much like your body is supposed to have. This is due to the short half life.
But, now here’s where some magic can happen. . . The other bad rap on gel is that, comparatively, there is a lot of T in the gel in comparison to how much your body actually absorbs through the skin. Gel is “effective” but skin absorption is not the greatest transport vehicle in the world.
What if I told you that you can change this? Yes. . . you can, and very effectively. And there are many studies involving transdermal absorption of testosterone which shows that what I am saying is true. DMSO. Look it up. It is cheap, it is safe, it is easy. DMSO is a solvent liquid that is very, very common in veterinary medicine for decades and is becoming more and more common medically in more recent years. As a solvent, it is capable of carrying small molecules through the skin barrier like a red hot knife cutting through butter. It is used in veterinary medicine to make topical medications tremendously more effective than if they were applied without DMSO. It is used in people, medically, for other types of things, but skin is skin whether you are a horse getting a medication rub or you are a person getting a medication rub.
Studies that involve combining testosterone gel with DMSO show that transdermal absorption of T can be 4 times higher than using gel alone. So there you have it. Not only can DMSO be used to make prescribed amounts of gel that much more effective, if you are using gel in a blast type fashion you can have your body absorbing the equivalent of cycle levels of testosterone, all without needles at all, and while still using short half life testosterone which will allow quick dial of levels in if you test frequently or if you simply want more of a natural ebb and flow of daily T levels. And yeah, I can provide real medical study cites in terms of not only safety but also testosterone absorption.
I’d like to see a log over this
@Lawyerguy1 log helps make the conversations more engaging......you should start a log asap........Ok, it’s not a log but it’s at least some info.
My last and recent post (look it up) was b/c I am on MD prescribed gel for TRT, but I also order extra on my own and take it in a blast/cruise fashion along with the occasional anavar/sarm cycle. I was in the middle of this a couple weeks ago only to discover my MD needs new bloodwork to renew my prescription.
And so the question: How long to leave off of the extra “blast” of gel before getting the bloodwork for my doc? Keep in mind, the gels are daily and actual simple testosterone, and so a very short half-life.
My thought was to simply take only prescribed amounts for 8 days and then blood test and I got support for this, but there was also a suggestion to take nothing at all for a week. I went with Door Number One, thinking that taking a short half-life gel as prescribed, my levels should still fall to within a “normal” looking range. Well, I did, and they did. These results were after me going back to simply (appropriately) prescribed amounts of gel. The doc of course ordered all kinds of bloodwork, but here are pics of some results. After first being on a blast of gel for quite a while and then taking only prescribed amounts for 8 days here’s where I ended up at, just so you know. I do also take stuff to help keep estrogen in line while on these higher amounts, and this recent testing also shows I’ve been doing a nice job of it.
I will add some info to this. I know gel gets a bad rap, and I can understand that, but hear me out a bit. It is very successful in terms of an actual TRT program, and there are likely also advantages. With most forms of testosterone injections you’re taking a substance that has a very long half life, which is why injections are anywhere from every week (at the shortest) to every 3 weeks (at the longest). You CAN take daily injections of short half life testosterone but then it’s a pain in the ass (see what I did there?
But, now here’s where some magic can happen. . . The other bad rap on gel is that, comparatively, there is a lot of T in the gel in comparison to how much your body actually absorbs through the skin. Gel is “effective” but skin absorption is not the greatest transport vehicle in the world.
What if I told you that you can change this? Yes. . . you can, and very effectively. And there are many studies involving transdermal absorption of testosterone which shows that what I am saying is true. DMSO. Look it up. It is cheap, it is safe, it is easy. DMSO is a solvent liquid that is very, very common in veterinary medicine for decades and is becoming more and more common medically in more recent years. As a solvent, it is capable of carrying small molecules through the skin barrier like a red hot knife cutting through butter. It is used in veterinary medicine to make topical medications tremendously more effective than if they were applied without DMSO. It is used in people, medically, for other types of things, but skin is skin whether you are a horse getting a medication rub or you are a person getting a medication rub.
Studies that involve combining testosterone gel with DMSO show that transdermal absorption of T can be 4 times higher than using gel alone. So there you have it. Not only can DMSO be used to make prescribed amounts of gel that much more effective, if you are using gel in a blast type fashion you can have your body absorbing the equivalent of cycle levels of testosterone, all without needles at all, and while still using short half life testosterone which will allow quick dial of levels in if you test frequently or if you simply want more of a natural ebb and flow of daily T levels. And yeah, I can provide real medical study cites in terms of not only safety but also testosterone absorption.
Cattle tren I think the guys at Westside Barbell spoke about that and utilizing it, pretty wild story how they had to make it.
This is very interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Muscle Media 2000, with Dan Duchaine and Bill Phillips (owner/writer), was another source for info
I found the pellets on Amazon in the past few days
That is crazy you can find that on Amazon, yeah the guys from Westside talked about cooking in a kitchen and Injecting it. I guess Amazon does have everything lol.
