Certainly appears you can get the same results from NPP that you get with Tren Ace without all of the ridiculous side effects. Appears to be the same case when comparing Dbol to Anadrol. Maybe I just cant handle androgens but the thing is why use those if they hurt your sleep and appetite and mental state so much? Just throwing this out there because some love Tren but this NPP stuff the endurance and strength/physique gains are through the damn roof.