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USE AN ELECTRONIC PIPETTE GUN AND STERILE PIPETTES TO FILL VIALS BROTHER.

Nailed it

 

[Limbu]

It's the black marker on these now days plastic syringes, starts to come off, as I said quality of even medical syringes is not like use too be in aus.

We've switched too glass syringes.. as we stated.. it can happen when your pumping out vials dude.. but now with glass, syringes issue is completely solved.

The plastic syringes dont hold up like they use too, likely now all Chinese shit in aus now.

It happened to couple deca vials as we stated, but caught them but when labelling boxing when your pumping them out it wears off and we caught few at the last end with a couple aswell, as we told you.

Had too crack open and refilter, few of them aswell.

You got caught out Unfortunately with one vial primo.

Apologies but as I said it's probably still fine to inject but of course a sent fresh vial, No issue as it's not good enough for our reputation and lab rep, we would replace anything that's a miss - not good enough for us, and it can happen.

But i will state - I've literally plugged whole chunks rubber from seal into myself as 19gauge cuts plugs terribly from preloadeds and probably have hundreds chunks in my glutes, ass, shoulders lats over the years and never a issue.

We've replaced your vial and it was only one out of your order, apologies bud and we've been fully transparent about it, as you spoke with threema rep.

Shit happens with UGL, we run auto electric vacuum pumps on top of a 4L top hold chamber too 10L catch thats runs 0.45um, then a sister open air breather valve that vacuums pumps from there and run too another 4L hold chamber that then runs through another 0.22um filter into a another 10L catch chamber.

And we have a couple these as filtering and messing with quiete a few compounds.

Unfortunately end of the day, after all this this is done, vials still have to be hand filled Manually.

We've switched too glass syringes for filling issues now rectified completel

anyone in the know, knows this is the norm (and actually quiete over kill on our part or filtration, but we have the systems and use them.

Anyone who says they have automation self filling machines that have recirculating autoclave tube self chemical tube cleaning filters that pumps that also clean lines & tube runs systems etc is full of shit. They cost 500k plus. Or more.

I apologised and re-placed that one vial brother.

And sorted the issue in full and thank you for bringing it up, as we are busy things go a miss. But have rectified.

Assure there's no sterility issue we do everything properly.

Any lab could chime in this is how's its done properly. But still everyone Manually has to still fill vials after filtration (but now using glass syringes for filling weve kinked out the issue to not happen again as we did notice it and thougg we caught all vials it happened too).

Every day is a new learning kerve and mistakes can always happen, just another kink we've ironed out.

Thank bro @Limbu for bringing it up aswell, as for any other lab, careful of some of the new Chinese medical supplies that are now Australia's norm.

Much Love

KAOS

Just wanted to share my recent experience with Kaos, initially placed an order of some primobolan, communication was super good and Kaos even threw in a bit of discount. When the vials arrived however, one vial was fine but the other vial was filled to the brim but had ‘floaters’ in the vial which moved around when I shook the vial. Contacted Kaos to which they immediately apologised and said it was from the plastic writing on syringes that ‘wore off’ in the process or something. They immediately sent a replacement which I received yesterday and this one seemed fine. It did seem like he was right but I’m not entirely sure. Communication was overall good but just a little bit skeptical of the sterility of the brewing process now but then again Kaos could be right about the floaters or it could be something completely different.

Just an update of the situation I was honestly shocked to see a direct message from KAOS this morning regarding my previous comment, where my review was "dramatized and dogs**," also that I added a "cu** comment." I was also then called rude. Now, after further talking with KAOS, apparently it was from a 'simple' misread where he mistook me saying that "the vial was full to the brim with floaters," when I really said "the vial was filled to the brim BUT had floaters," as apparently English is his second language. Now I understand how that line could have been mistaken, but a simple less aggressive and more polite message from KAOS would have been better. Take this for what you want; I'm posting this update for the sake of transparency, (can link screenshots of messages aswell) correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no way any vendor should be responding to any 'not good' reviews by personally dming and call there review "dogs**."

Also, after reading your comment on here, if deca vials previously had the same issue, why weren't further precautions taken? Even though the floaters I had were small, I easily saw them as soon as I looked at the vial. There's also no way there was only ONE vial of primo that had this and that I was just unlucky. Regardless of how 'harmless' it is or how much rubber you have personally put into yourself, it should not be in the oil at the end of the day and should not be pinned.

 

[Limbu]

Just an update of the situation I was honestly shocked to see a direct message from KAOS this morning regarding my previous comment, where my review was "dramatized and dogs**," also that I added a "cu** comment." I was also then called rude. Now, after further talking with KAOS, apparently it was from a 'simple' misread where he mistook me saying that "the vial was full to the brim with floaters," when I really said "the vial was filled to the brim BUT had floaters," as apparently English is his second language. Now I understand how that line could have been mistaken, but a simple less aggressive and more polite message from KAOS would have been better. Take this for what you want; I'm posting this update for the sake of transparency, (can link screenshots of messages aswell) correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no way any vendor should be responding to any 'not good' reviews by personally dming and call there review "dogs**."

Also, after reading your comment on here, if deca vials previously had the same issue, why weren't further precautions taken? Even though the floaters I had were small, I easily saw them as soon as I looked at the vial. There's also no way there was only ONE vial of primo that had this and that I was just unlucky. Regardless of how 'harmless' it is or how much rubber you have personally put into yourself, it should not be in the oil at the end of the day and should not be pinned.

 

[codezz]

Just an update of the situation I was honestly shocked to see a direct message from KAOS this morning regarding my previous comment, where my review was "dramatized and dogs**," also that I added a "cu** comment." I was also then called rude. Now, after further talking with KAOS, apparently it was from a 'simple' misread where he mistook me saying that "the vial was full to the brim with floaters," when I really said "the vial was filled to the brim BUT had floaters," as apparently English is his second language. Now I understand how that line could have been mistaken, but a simple less aggressive and more polite message from KAOS would have been better. Take this for what you want; I'm posting this update for the sake of transparency, (can link screenshots of messages aswell) correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no way any vendor should be responding to any 'not good' reviews by personally dming and call there review "dogs**."

Also, after reading your comment on here, if deca vials previously had the same issue, why weren't further precautions taken? Even though the floaters I had were small, I easily saw them as soon as I looked at the vial. There's also no way there was only ONE vial of primo that had this and that I was just unlucky. Regardless of how 'harmless' it is or how much rubber you have personally put into yourself, it should not be in the oil at the end of the day and should not be pinned.

There is alot to unpack from this comment, im just gonna leave it as that

 

[TeeGee]

There is alot to unpack from this comment, im just gonna leave it as that

Not really bro...

@KAOS Anabolics abused a customer for publicly bringing to light a small issue that was rectified.

The issue however has brought alot more into question and created chatter.

Miscommunication seems to be regular occurrence here..

End of the day we have plenty of awesome vendors and you are not obligated to use a service if you don't want to

 

[codezz]

Not really bro...

@KAOS Anabolics abused a customer for publicly bringing to light a small issue that was rectified.

The issue however has brought alot more into question and created chatter.

Miscommunication seems to be regular occurrence here..

End of the day we have plenty of awesome vendors and you are not obligated to use a service if you don't want to

Yeah my bad, i just took the time to read through all the comments again, and understand it a whole lot better

 

[TeeGee]

Yeah my bad, i just took the time to read through all the comments again, and understand it a whole lot better

Definitely alot to read but big respect to the transparency of @Limbu to post it up publicly.

It's always good practice for the good and the bad to be provided in my opinion. I don't believe he bashed on the vendor at all in his original post.

Miscommunication obviously set off the DM but that's not my business

 

[codezz]

Definitely alot to read but big respect to the transparency of @Limbu to post it up publicly.

It's always good practice for the good and the bad to be provided in my opinion. I don't believe he bashed on the vendor at all in his original post.

Miscommunication obviously set off the DM but that's not my business

Definitely not, if I saw black bits in my vials I'd be worried too, I ain't ever brewed myself so I wouldn't know if it's easy to happen or not ideal like to inform the public and the vendor, but ill stay off this now anyway

 

[KAOS Anabolics]

Listen Karren, my rep spent a 40 - 50 comment back and forth with you in full transparency.

We were full apologetic multiple times, replacing your vial and you kept jabbering on and on an on, it was one vial out of your whole order..

We can see what trying too do get all your gear free and for a refund of your whole order.

You've sent a small snap shot of a 6 hours conversation of where we have had a enough of your shit and stopped giving to be polite and also will now.

When we rectified the issue with a full apology, that you wouldn't accept. Nope Nope Nope.

(literally every bit of advice that has been given even by others has been explained how it can happen when using plastic syringes filling vials we were already aware by long ago time and had switched over too glass fillers, issues we though rectified, Unfortunately you got caught out on 1, as everything is boxed prepped ready to send out.

Lord have mercy, we are drug dealers mate for PEDs like every other single vendor here. Shit happens.

We apologised and we rectified, explained over and over and over again as you kept windging, one vial had 3 specs plastic off the filling syringe, which was replaced immediately sent (which mind you took 3 days express with no issue)

@ODINLABS
USE AN ELECTRONIC PIPETTE GUN AND STERILE PIPETTES TO FILL VIALS BROTHER (we will also look into these).

Best of luck @Limbu
Have a nice day Karen, posting half shots of chats.

Well send you Popeye.20 link go inject some antifreeze

Litterly wouldn't want you back as a customer 100% . @Limbu banned

 

[KAOS Anabolics]

Not really bro...

@KAOS Anabolics abused a customer for publicly bringing to light a small issue that was rectified.

The issue however has brought alot more into question and created chatter.

Miscommunication seems to be regular occurrence here..

End of the day we have plenty of awesome vendors and you are not obligated to use a service if you don't want to

Where was the abuse? he sent a half snap shot after my rep had enough of his windging after being fully educated and apologies too.

With full transparency and sending a new replacement.

My threema rep english is his second language, everyone knows this.. itd walys been the case of of this OP
Then after being compensated, he even stated he wanted full money back for that whole and whole order replaced, free after wed replaced the vial for free (which as he stated no issue) it was one out of his whole order.

same issue weve had with these parcel locker scammers and his order when straight to a parcel locker

@LevButlerov I believe this is one of those smear, guys as discussed.

@R&Dpharma
@GENTEXLaboratories
@ODINLABS
@Sassy's Pharmaceuticals
@Raptor Labs
@Bluebone
@FullRetard
@Juiceypumba

But then posted this comment, after the fact As we only agreed replace that vial.

There was a mild comment not abuse and brother you know the Squid well and his team,
@TeeGee you've used his/our products many times back in the day before return we've never faulted bro.

You know we'd never personally, if we'd made a mistake or something wrong we've always fixed it.

But Squid dose not take any BS or take threats/bullying lightly.

Much Love

KAOS

I'll leave it as that.

 

[Wheelhouse87]

I think as a consumer bro we are putting alot of faith in the vendors.
We dont know if this guy has shot dirty gear in the past and is overly cautious but floaters in a vial is floaters in a vial at the end of the day.
I personally wouldn't shoot gear that had floaters.

He would also be trusting that it is in fact 110% the syringe writing and nothing else sinister.
I dont think @TeeGee was trying to smear you at all mate, i just think he was trying to point out that the customer wasn't happy and that maybe it could have been handled a bit better and professional.
Dont take this message as a shot bro - we need quality trusted vendors on EVO and im sure you are just that but probably saying your peace, refunding him and moving on would have been the more publicly accepted approach.

Have a great day bro

 

[Freki]

refunding him and moving on would have been the more publicly accepted approach.

Had his vial replaced, then afterwards wanted a refund for whole order.

Then after being compensated, he even stated he wanted full money back for that whole and whole order replaced, free after wed replaced the vial for free (which as he stated no issue) it was one out of his whole order.

@KAOS Anabolics abused a customer for publicly bringing to light a small issue that was rectified.

The amount you have posted in here im not to sure now mate. Starting to look like a pile on, from Odin and LGL loggers, where was this msg when Odin told old mate to f off over Easter?

Is this the interlab politics i was warned about?

 

[TeeGee]

@KAOS Anabolics just want to be clear here.

You think I'm trying to smear your name here on Evo ??? Is this what you're trying to entail ?

You're also in talks with @LevButlerov about multiple names of who you believe are involved in smearing your name ? Or is it multiple names ?

@Eddie Haskell is who you directly should speak with if this is the way you feel about said situation..

Now let's point out the real facts here because you have poked me now

You will notice I said the DMs were not my business at the end of my comments !!! If you haven't and want to use your miscommunication for a third or fourth time go ahead..

If old mate has left out valuable info on his situation then I feel you are well within your rights to shed light on that and then it's on with our day.

You are a vendor ! One of the best in your not so humble opinion to my understanding !!!

So hold yourself to a higher fucking standard mate... Show some class. Some pride. Some maturity..

You have gone on the attack with multiple members in the past week alone..

Yes I have used kaos products many moons ago.. some test and bloods were bang on the money... There has been at no point I've questioned your quality of gear..

I do however question your practice... Your methods seem off and the fact you dig your heels into the ground and tell people how dispensers are a waste of money whilst you have had ink droppings from plastic barrels in vials is super fucking alarming.... You're the goat bro !!! How did you not realise these problems over the years and find new ways of practice.

Go for gold with trying to report people for smearing you bro. But any mod is going to take a quick read and see all in the input that's being made... Not to mention the private convos taking place in the background and will realise you are quite the tantrum thrower of late...

Calling customers Karens is clear indicator of your professionalism.. if he has carried on.. you simply fix your mistake and move it along...

Best of luck to you here brother. I had great respect for you before you opened shop here on Evo.. we have had a few convos in the past and on other platforms..

But seeing the attitude of late and a specific member on your team..... I think that level of respect has dipped..

Nonetheless... I genuinely wish you the best of luck and hope you can take my little rant on board and use it to better your branding..

Have a great day

 

[TeeGee]

I think as a consumer bro we are putting alot of faith in the vendors.
We dont know if this guy has shot dirty gear in the past and is overly cautious but floaters in a vial is floaters in a vial at the end of the day.
I personally wouldn't shoot gear that had floaters.

He would also be trusting that it is in fact 110% the syringe writing and nothing else sinister.
I dont think @TeeGee was trying to smear you at all mate, i just think he was trying to point out that the customer wasn't happy and that maybe it could have been handled a bit better and professional.
Dont take this message as a shot bro - we need quality trusted vendors on EVO and im sure you are just that but probably saying your peace, refunding him and moving on would have been the more publicly accepted approach.

Have a great day bro

You get it brother..

Inflated ego... It's common knowledge @KAOS Anabolics has been around the block a few times. Perhaps he expected a bigger reputation off the get go ..

Whatever the case I do hope he turns it around

 

[Oracle911]

Just wanted to share my recent experience with Kaos, initially placed an order of some primobolan, communication was super good and Kaos even threw in a bit of discount. When the vials arrived however, one vial was fine but the other vial was filled to the brim but had ‘floaters’ in the vial which moved around when I shook the vial. Contacted Kaos to which they immediately apologised and said it was from the plastic writing on syringes that ‘wore off’ in the process or something. They immediately sent a replacement which I received yesterday and this one seemed fine. It did seem like he was right but I’m not entirely sure. Communication was overall good but just a little bit skeptical of the sterility of the brewing process now but then again Kaos could be right about the floaters or it could be something completely different.

hye mate super late to the party on this one but if im reading it correctly this was primo? then the rectified order was another primo that was sent out? only asking as I know vendors atm are having a super hard getting raws for Primo as im sure you know,

hope all is sorted out and your well mate

 

[TeeGee]

Had his vial replaced, then afterwards wanted a refund for whole order.



The amount you have posted in here im not to sure now mate. Starting to look like a pile on, from Odin and LGL loggers, where was this msg when Odin told old mate to f off over Easter?

Is this the interlab politics i was warned about?

Show me exactly what I've posted that smears this lab dude ?

As for full refund over one vial situation. Absolutely not... I don't believe in that.

The comments have come into play simply over people adding their opinions on how the issue happened and their methods they use..

Call it whatever you want bro.
Facts are he's bringing it upon himself

Calling pigsy a liar
Sending DMS to meet up for rights
Trying to report profiles to mods

I'll stop it there

 

[Wheelhouse87]

Had his vial replaced, then afterwards wanted a refund for whole order.



The amount you have posted in here im not to sure now mate. Starting to look like a pile on, from Odin and LGL loggers, where was this msg when Odin told old mate to f off over Easter?

Is this the interlab politics i was warned about?

Are you implying a pile on from me?
When have I abused or discredited Kaos? I push loggers his way!
I was simply stating that maybe it should have been handled differently in the public's eye.
Big difference to Odin not responding over a public holiday for 2 bottles of gear compared to a vial with bits in it mate.
Again, I'm not attacking Kaos at all, I want to see him succeed and be another quality vendor that the Evo community has.

Regarding the whole order refunded, it should only be refunded if the OP sends proof of destroying the gear if he's asking for a refund because he's worried to use it and wants to purchase elsewhere.
You don't get a full refund and still get to use the gear.

 

[TeeGee]

Are you implying a pile on from me?
When have I abused or discredited Kaos? I push loggers his way!
I was simply stating that maybe it should have been handled differently in the public's eye.
Big difference to Odin not responding over a public holiday for 2 bottles of gear compared to a vial with bits in it mate.
Again, I'm not attacking Kaos at all, I want to see him succeed and be another quality vendor that the Evo community has.

Regarding the whole order refunded, it should only be refunded if the OP sends proof of destroying the gear if he's asking for a refund because he's worried to use it and wants to purchase elsewhere.
You don't get a full refund and still get to use the gear.

I also put kaos first or 2nd logger onto him..

Ill dip out of this thread now to avoid upsetting people.

Kaos can contact me via dms, threema or telegram if he feels we need to clear the air as we have had plenty of discussions in the past

 

[Wheelhouse87]

I also put kaos first or 2nd logger onto him..

Ill dip out of this thread now to avoid upsetting people.

Kaos can contact me via dms, threema or telegram if he feels we need to clear the air as we have had plenty of discussions in the past

Same bro.. no malice intended on my part and I thought whoever has commented has been pretty helpful.
We even had 2 vendors lend a hand with different ways to make the process easier for him which I thought was great personally.

Also, me saying destroy the gear if full refund is only because it's not like Kaos would give him a return address to send the stuff back, otherwise that would be the correct option.
Anyway, it's up to them to sort out and I wish nothing but the best for Kaos

 

[KAOS Anabolics]

I think as a consumer bro we are putting alot of faith in the vendors.
We dont know if this guy has shot dirty gear in the past and is overly cautious but floaters in a vial is floaters in a vial at the end of the day.
I personally wouldn't shoot gear that had floaters.

He would also be trusting that it is in fact 110% the syringe writing and nothing else sinister.
I dont think @TeeGee was trying to smear you at all mate, i just think he was trying to point out that the customer wasn't happy and that maybe it could have been handled a bit better and professional.
Dont take this message as a shot bro - we need quality trusted vendors on EVO and im sure you are just that but probably saying your peace, refunding him and moving on would have been the more publicly accepted approach.

Have a great day bro

Not @TeeGee he knows we deal honestly, as referring he's dealt with us plenty in the past.

We are just confused as we helped as @Limbu had issue rectified issue and one slipped through. Replaced no issue changed protocol for processing. And apologised

Instead @Limbu still after all the help and explaineing we did and replaced the vial one , tried to be a child towards my threema rep, and posted publicly like and asshole for no reason. Other then to try scab note gear.

We don't do screenshots of what he said but he's a fool and where not dogs, he can shop someone else.

Happy days