Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply US-PHARMACIES
UGL OZ UGFREAK OxygenPharm
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplyUS-PHARMACIESUGL OZUGFREAKOxygenPharm

Oral Cycle

S

SpikedEggnog

New member
Registered
I've been studying a lot of articles and researching Orals as well as SARMS, and I have read lots of articles on Evo (mostly authored by Wolfgang, some by Gemelli) and watched lots of vids by Gemelli as well - this is kind of a blend of 2 separate articles on EVO

1 http://www.evolutionary.org/6-week-oral-cycle-SARMS-anavar-winstrol
2 http://www.evolutionary.org/first-cycle-orals

I am interested in this and I would like some feedback how it's setup:



1-6 Dbol 40mg/d

1-6 Winny 40mg/d

1-6 Cardarine 20mg/d

1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg/d

PCT:
6-9 HCGenerate
7-10 Ostarine 25mg/d
7-10 Possibly Nolvadex ?


N2Guard Throughout Cycle and PCT
 
Even though I'm one of the guys who thinks the dangers of oral steroids is overplayed I still wouldn't run 2 of them at the same time. I don't know anything about SARMs but I think replacing Winny with the S4 as you suggested is better
 
if you dont mind me asking, why just oral only cycle? the results would yield much better with some included test and help recovery as well since your nattys are still gonna be supressed
 
Flecks13 said:
if you dont mind me asking, why just oral only cycle? the results would yield much better with some included test and help recovery as well since your nattys are still gonna be supressed
Click to expand...

I agree with having test but how does adding more steroids help with recovery?
 
I have run d-bol with winy or proviron alone before. I Had decent results but I still shy away from recommending oral only cycles. Nothing beats a test, deca d-bol cycle in my mind
 
SpikedEggnog said:
Also can Winny be replaced with Andarine S4 for a safer alternative?
Click to expand...

Yes, actually that would be a very good alternative to cut down toxicity and side effects tremendously. Besides, S4 has very similar properties to Winstrol in hardness, vascularity, strength, and fat loss

As for your PCT, here ya go

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (www.ag-guys.com)
Liquid Aromasin (www.ag-guys.com)
Test Stack 17 or HCGenerate ES (PM me for info and discounts) http://w3.teststackrx.com/102.html
Ostarine 25mg per day (www.sarms1.com)
 
I'm guessing you don't have any real cycle history, and as such I would recommend keeping things as simple as possible. Why not just run Dbol without the Winny? IMO when you are brand new to AAS you can make amazing gains with a relatively small amount of gear, and as such you should gain as much mass as possible from simple lower dosed cycles before advancing to higher dosages and more exotic drugs.
 
bonacris said:
I agree with having test but how does adding more steroids help with recovery?
Click to expand...

im hoping that means recovery from workouts etc... because if its implying Post Cycle recovery then its just a common yet huge misconception... test for 12 weeks is going to shut you down harder than 4-6 weeks of an oral so i certainly hope that's not what he's getting at...
 
SpikedEggnog said:
I've been studying a lot of articles and researching Orals as well as SARMS, and I have read lots of articles on Evo (mostly authored by Wolfgang, some by Gemelli) and watched lots of vids by Gemelli as well - this is kind of a blend of 2 separate articles on EVO

1 http://www.evolutionary.org/6-week-oral-cycle-SARMS-anavar-winstrol
2 http://www.evolutionary.org/first-cycle-orals

I am interested in this and I would like some feedback how it's setup:



1-6 Dbol 40mg/d

1-6 Winny 40mg/d

1-6 Cardarine 20mg/d

1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg/d

PCT:
6-9 HCGenerate
7-10 Ostarine 25mg/d
7-10 Possibly Nolvadex ?


N2Guard Throughout Cycle and PCT
Click to expand...


personally, i would drop the dbol and go with winstrol and sarms... i don't give a shit what anyone tries to say, i GUARANTEE you that you can get some really nice size with winstrol and straight shred it... FAR cleaner and more sustainable than any shitty dbol gains... yes, you will see drastic size with it but at what cost? no thanks... you can do either if you want but for me, you could have a far better cycle like this...

1-14 GW-501516 20 mg day www.sarms1.com

1-12 s4 50 mg day www.sarms1.com

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day www.sarms1.com
1-12 proviron 50 mg day

1-12 dspark www.n2bm.com

1-12 n2guard n2bm.com
5-12 HCGenerate n2bm.com
7-12 winstrol 50 mg day




PCT 13-16

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 ag-guys.com
aromasin 12..5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
mk-2866 25 mg day www.sarms1.com


NOW, here's another option with both included

1-14 GW-501516 20 mg day www.sarms1.com

1-12 s4 50 mg day www.sarms1.com

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day www.sarms1.com
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-12 "liquidex" www.n2bm.com


1-12 dspark www.n2bm.com

1-12 n2guard n2bm.com
5-12 HCGenerate n2bm.com
7-12 winstrol 50 mg day


PCT 13-16

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 ag-guys.com
aromasin 12..5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
mk-2866 25 mg day www.sarms1.com
 
You may find it challenging to keep the gains from a short dbol cycle. You might find more success with a longer cycle and with compounds that will work together synergistically. When you come off the dbol you will lose a lot of water you gained as a result. Once this happens you will have a hard time keeping the muscular gains you made without another powerful androgen. You don't want to do 6 weeks of dbol and then jump straight into pct. Also I wouldn't run the ostarine in pct so high, you run a slight risk of hurting your recovery. Save the gw for pct, you can keep your cals slightly higher (100-200) during pct to help keep gains while keeping the fat off with GW.
If I where going to run an oral cycle I'd do it like this.

1-8 LGD-4033
1-4 Dbol 40mg ed
4-8 Winny 40mg ed
1-6 Aromasin 12.5mg Eod
6-10 Hcgenerate
Pct
8-12 Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
8-12 Aromasin 12.5 eod
8-12 Ostarine 15mg ed
8-12 Cardarine 20mg ed
 
Basically I was thinking with the Winny (or S-4 instead, as I also added or another suggestion was Proviron) would be used in conjuction with the DBol to balance out the wetness. But my exact idea was to keep it short and simple - I understand there's all kinds of stuff you can do and ways to be more efficient but I'm just looking for something basic and short and relatively inexpensive. Not really looking to do a 2k+ cycle atm.
 
The first cycle option looks good - almost all SARMS - I'm liking that if it weren't so expensive but I was thinking something shorter and more basic for now until I feel it out with my body. Any suggestions for something that is possibly shorter, less expensive, and less complex?
 
Easier, less complicated, no needles, etc. I was just thinking something simple and short - a nice boost - not looking to go all out stacked.
 
Well I'm sure it wouldn't beat a test, dbol, deca cycle but is that bad running a smaller, simpler load? I mean I understand I won't get the same results as a more complex cycle with Test but that doesn't mean I can't get what I put in right?
 
Yeah I was reading an article about that as well - that was kind of my thought process with Winny and Dbol but that's why I asked about replacing Winny with S-4 to get a safer alternative yet similar results (or so I've read). But Proviron seems to enhance AAS no? Do you still need to run AI with Proviron?
 
S4 is not going to do shit for the water retention caused by dbol. It may increase nitrogen retention and hardness but it does not "work like winstrol" it just gives somewhat similar results bit through completely different mechanisms. You if you are worried about water retention you shouldn't be using steroids to fix it. You need an AI. What kind of results are you looking for anyways? Are you trying to bulk or cut? It doesn't look like you put much thought into this, how old are you?
 
If you read the initial post you would see that I put Aromatase in the cycle for the water retention/estrogen, so why mention I need an AI?

I didn't put Winny in to fix the Aromatization of DBol. I also suggested S4 instead of Winny to get similar results of Winny without the Toxicity.
Vascularity and Muscle Hardness, yes, but also since it's a very dry compound and people complain about dry joints - there seems synergy with Dbol which adds water to joints. If there is no synergy then the articles on EVO are wrong?

I also read about Dianabulk - but no one talks about it - but I don't know if it's good, which makes me wonder why it's being advertised on EVO if it's trash?

Cardarine with Dbol is supposed to help with Endurance (gaining 5 lbs of water weight lowers endurance) and minimize Fat Gains.

I have N2Guard throughout cycle and PCT for vitamins and organ protection.

Aromasin bleeds into PCT and HCGenerate starts towards end also bleeds into PCT. So once I stop DBol i will be on HCGenerate, Aromasin, Nolvadex, and Ostarine.

Add in Nolvadex PCT. Nolva is supposed to be very effective combined with Aromasin. (better than Clomid)

Ostarine added in as well. It's said to be the most anabolic of all SARMS. This seems perfect for keeping hard gains transitioning back to my normal routine.

These are all recommendations on EVO articles as well.

What part about this is not thought through?

I am looking to get some thickness, mass, and strength obviously (not 50 lbs) - which is why I chose DBol - I didn't choose a bulking steroid to Cut.

SO it's a very basic, simple oral cycle. And if people ask why Oral only? Because I'm not a steroid user and I want something short and basic. Yeah I get the whole TEST, DECA, DBOL but that's three compounds, 2 injectables - all I have is one Oral (or if winny 2 but winny replaced with S4).
 
Go with the sarm triple stack and add the orals u want at the end of a 8wks run.

If water retention is an issue, don't run d Bol. T Bol instead and stack with winny. Having a longer cycle will allow for more positive change and being u want to stay lean and not bloat up, S4/GW and a good AI is what u need. Tbol/winny will be a great low water retention/lean muscle building stack.

Pct, Clomid/nolva/hcgen ES/ any AI.

Osta would be nice too. GW if your still kinda bloated for some reason, which would be odd. But again, if needed, u can adjust as needed.
 
thanks for the feedback. I was looking into TBol but everyone seems to be against it, I guess because it's not as powerful idk...
 
Just man up and fucking pin. I get it when your using PH's when they are legal for that route but otherwise you are just cutting yourself short shutting down your HPTA to use orals. Orals are liver toxic and have more sides generally than injectables and gains will be short lived. A better route would be to run a sarms triple stack if you don't want to pin.
 
Sarms Triple stack is always going to produce... and if your not into pinning, its a great option
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Shanekk
Approved Log Sustanon Deca Dbol Cycle Log
Replies
16
Views
192
ballin2504
ballin2504
O
First Cycle Critique Request and Discussion: T-Only 500mg/wk × 20wk Blast + Cruise w/ Comprehensive Protocol
Replies
15
Views
188
Mobster
Mobster
rakkin
  • Locked
Pre Show Log
Replies
4
Views
72
LevButlerov
LevButlerov
Craig100
Approved Log Sustanon 300, Tren Ace, Tbol, PCT - 12 week cycle with US Pharmacies
Replies
43
Views
315
Craig100
Craig100
Sul.Lifts
Approved Log Summer Recomp Cycle Log with Oxygen Pharma Team O2
Replies
21
Views
204
zucchini
zucchini
Back
Top Bottom