Oral kickstart or finisher?

[Knelson]

What’s up Evo!

Long time lurker on the forum. Only recently sign up.

Firstly, I’m in my late thirties with approximately 15 years of consistent lifting. Honing in training and diet. Several cycles under my belt.

I just started my first Tren E cycle at 200 pw with Test E at 400 pw. All the proper supports in place and the perfect pct.

I think I heard it on the Evo podcast, which if you’re not listening to get with the program it’s great, regarding using Tbol as a finisher. My plan was as a kickstart as I’m using long esters, but really only hear about finishers for competition prep. Are there any benefits to adding at the end other than a cosmetic?

 

[jp4355]

I really think it depends on the Length of the Cycle.

I like the Kickstart with the Long Ester, as you get some Extra Benefit and Strength from the Oral.
While waiting for the Oils to kick in.

Then if you wanted, you could use the same, or another Oral as your Finisher.

Besides a Cosmetic Benefit, you could be looking to Add more Strength.
Or set a New PR on a specific lift.
It varies with the Individual................................. JP

 

[Knelson]

JP,
Cycle is only ten weeks. I think I’ll stick to my plan, but if I was to add a finisher how long would you recommend it run? Also would you recommend cutting the kickstarter a bit shorter to give your liver a break?

 

[jp4355]

JP,
Cycle is only ten weeks. I think I’ll stick to my plan, but if I was to add a finisher how long would you recommend it run? Also would you recommend cutting the kickstarter a bit shorter to give your liver a break?

Usually with a Minimum 12 Week Cycle.
I would do the 1st 4 Weeks for a Kickstart, take a 4 Week Break, then use another Oral for the last 4 Weeks.

If you run Tudca & NAC, your Liver won't take a Hit.
It will keep your Liver Enzymes within the Reference Range on Bloodwork.......................... JP
P.S.
If I do finisher, it's usually only 4 Weeks, cause I did a Kickstart previously.

If I'm only doing a Kickstart, I'll go out to 6 Weeks.

 

[stevesmi]

if you like to mire yourself at the gym then add a finisher to your cycle, it will be fun.

 

[Mobster]

What’s up Evo!

Long time lurker on the forum. Only recently sign up.

Firstly, I’m in my late thirties with approximately 15 years of consistent lifting. Honing in training and diet. Several cycles under my belt.

I just started my first Tren E cycle at 200 pw with Test E at 400 pw. All the proper supports in place and the perfect pct.

I think I heard it on the Evo podcast, which if you’re not listening to get with the program it’s great, regarding using Tbol as a finisher. My plan was as a kickstart as I’m using long esters, but really only hear about finishers for competition prep. Are there any benefits to adding at the end other than a cosmetic?

It says April 2016.

 

[Knelson]

Been lurking three times that long and it’s my first post, but I guess you make a point mobster

 

[jp4355]

Been lurking three times that long and it’s my first post, but I guess you make a point mobster

No Problem !
I've seen plenty of Guys who have been here longer, and have but a few posts.

Hell, I belong to a few Forums since 2013, and have under 10 Posts.
I use them basically to keep up on Sources, and talk to some Friends......................... JP

 

[Mobster]

Been lurking three times that long and it’s my first post, but I guess you make a point mobster

Indeed. You said you signed up recently... well over a year ago. And we also had another 'newbie' use the word 'lurker'. Strange.

Anyway, I don't get the whole 'kickstart' idea. Nor the finisher. As a long time lurker you'll have seen a LOT of posts on cycles and even some on the idea behind them. There is little to no long term benefit behind kick starting or finishers. Cycles, from our typical members POV, are strength, muscle or cutting. Throwing in a 2-4 week dose (usually less) of something to add a little water weight seems pointless. It's more about getting test levels up quickly. But not using the same steroid and so it seems, with the same end result as though nothing had been added as a kick starter.


Because of how cycles are done we lack the stats to see if these ideas actually have any use. We CAN say some things about roids - 500mg of test works, dbol adds weight and so on. But kickstarters not so much

 

[muskate]

JP,
Cycle is only ten weeks. I think I’ll stick to my plan, but if I was to add a finisher how long would you recommend it run? Also would you recommend cutting the kickstarter a bit shorter to give your liver a break?

Whether you run the oral as a kick start or a finisher - the same general rules and principles apply. Nothing really changes. Use the oral 4-8 weeks and use a good liver aid supplement when running it.

You could always do both. 3-4 weeks as a kick start and 3-4 weeks as a finisher. You get the best of both worlds that way.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

For me, I like an oral at the beginning of a cycle when using long esters. It just allows you to see some nice gains quicker while you wait for the test to build up in your system. Either is good but that is just my personal preference.