Oxandrolone vs SARMS?

[Camonte]

Hi everybody,

So i already had a thread open in source talk (that got closed, dont know why) it was about oxandrolone/anavar.

So i really wanted to go with that kind of steroid. Why? Well i already have (in my own eyes) a great physique not much more is needed.
I am 5.10 weighing 185 at 8 body fat (Kinda frank zane physique;p) Never used anything not steroids or supplements. So now i kinda reached
a plateau and i really want to gain 5 pounds atleast and lose 1 percent bodyfat ( keeping it at 7 or 7.5 atleast under 8) my ideal would be 200 pounds
on that bodyfat percentage.

So oxandrolone would do all that with little risk and i would keep alot of the gains so maybe one or two cycles of oxandrolone would be enough
the great strenght increase is also a big plus for me, pretty strong myself so gaining a significant boost in power would be great. Now because
of the trouble i have with finding a great( european) source that carries legit var at its best i have been looking at SARMS.

So after this long story(sorry!) my question is could i achieve what i want with SARMS? Or is oxandrolone the best option for my goals? Are SARMS
and oxandrolone comparible? Like getting the same or almost the same pump, hardness of muscle, strenght etc.

So enlighten me on SARMS please, and if somebody used both on there own please speak up.

Thanks for reading, and sorry for my bad english.

 

[curiobig]

Hi everybody,

So i already had a thread open in source talk (that got closed, dont know why) it was about oxandrolone/anavar.

So i really wanted to go with that kind of steroid. Why? Well i already have (in my own eyes) a great physique not much more is needed.
I am 5.10 weighing 185 at 8 body fat (Kinda frank zane physique;p) Never used anything not steroids or supplements. So now i kinda reached
a plateau and i really want to gain 5 pounds atleast and lose 1 percent bodyfat ( keeping it at 7 or 7.5 atleast under 8) my ideal would be 200 pounds
on that bodyfat percentage.

So oxandrolone would do all that with little risk and i would keep alot of the gains so maybe one or two cycles of oxandrolone would be enough
the great strenght increase is also a big plus for me, pretty strong myself so gaining a significant boost in power would be great. Now because
of the trouble i have with finding a great( european) source that carries legit var at its best i have been looking at SARMS.

So after this long story(sorry!) my question is could i achieve what i want with SARMS? Or is oxandrolone the best option for my goals? Are SARMS
and oxandrolone comparible? Like getting the same or almost the same pump, hardness of muscle, strenght etc.

So enlighten me on SARMS please, and if somebody used both on there own please speak up.

Thanks for reading, and sorry for my bad english.

I'm lean.......6'3" 225lbs.........other than strength gains, I really didn't see much with Anavar. I got fuller with LGD......gained 10lbs of lbm. Plus, add to the counterfeit problem with Anavar........dollar for dollar, in my opinion go with the SARMS.......start with triple stack, try all combinations see what works best for you. Mild orals? I don't know......now days I'm really thinking SARMS is just a safer, more sure thing? You know what I mean?

 

[Camonte]

@CurioBig

Thanks for the response appreciate it alot, valuable insight on the matter. How many mg did you use a day with SARMS, and how many with Anavar.

Problem with anavar is indeed the counterfeit bullshit, underdosed etc. From what i understand pure real anavar would work on 30mg a day, yielding, maybe not great
result, but they would achieve my goals in a simple and rather save way.

But i trust your experience on SARMS so thats a positive for SARMS its quite mixed, some negative reviews in my own country about side effects with doses above 30mg a day. Muscle building was there but also mixed on how much SARMS really contributed to it.

More insights from different people are welcome.

 

[curiobig]

@CurioBig

Thanks for the response appreciate it alot, valuable insight on the matter. How many mg did you use a day with SARMS, and how many with Anavar.

Problem with anavar is indeed the counterfeit bullshit, underdosed etc. From what i understand pure real anavar would work on 30mg a day, yielding, maybe not great
result, but they would achieve my goals in a simple and rather save way.

But i trust your experience on SARMS so thats a positive for SARMS its quite mixed, some negative reviews in my own country about side effects with doses above 30mg a day. Muscle building was there but also mixed on how much SARMS really contributed to it.

More insights from different people are welcome.

I had added Anavar at the end of a 12 week LGD run. (I'm on TRT about 200 mg Test Cyp a week, good way to try different compounds). I was taking 40mg a day (but an effective 60mg day dose........first dose 20mg first thing in the morning with 20mg caffeine (20 mg caffeine doubles the effective dose of Anavar), then 20 mg 12 hours later. I ran it for the last 6 weeks of a 12 week LGD run, I honestly just didn't feel anything (stronger sure but I always go up and down with how I feel in the gym anways with or without Anavar) from the Anavar. I know for sure I would have had the same results without it. I took bloods, my liver function was slightly elevated (a sign of Anavar), but I'm not totally sure I had the real thing even though I got it from a trusted source (where I get my extra Test from). That's the thing with Anavar, even if it works, it doesn't really do much more than a good run with SARMS. (in my opinion).......especially if you are already lean and looking to add more mass.......just didn't do it for me. I guess I could try it again from a different source, but at least I know what I can expect for sure from good run with LGD.

 

[Camonte]

I had added Anavar at the end of a 12 week LGD run. (I'm on TRT about 200 mg Test Cyp a week, good way to try different compounds). I was taking 40mg a day (but an effective 60mg day dose........first dose 20mg first thing in the morning with 20mg caffeine (20 mg caffeine doubles the effective dose of Anavar), then 20 mg 12 hours later. I ran it for the last 6 weeks of a 12 week LGD run, I honestly just didn't feel anything (stronger sure but I always go up and down with how I feel in the gym anways with or without Anavar) from the Anavar. I know for sure I would have had the same results without it. I took bloods, my liver function was slightly elevated (a sign of Anavar), but I'm not totally sure I had the real thing even though I got it from a trusted source (where I get my extra Test from). That's the thing with Anavar, even if it works, it doesn't really do much more than a good run with SARMS. (in my opinion).......especially if you are already lean and looking to add more mass.......just didn't do it for me. I guess I could try it again from a different source, but at least I know what I can expect for sure from good run with LGD.

Thanks again for the respons.

Its pretty mixed on the sarms about side effects, some say ostarin has none (LGD might have some) other say they felt sides even at a small dosage. But again i read of some pretty impressive gains like 10 pounds lean. That would be ideal for me.

On the other hand Anavar seems pretty save, it looks like even safer than sarms. Because the sides i read about that people had were mainly a headache and some
cramps. Although 10 pounds lean mass gain i havent encounterd yet.

So im still trying to decide what to pick. I need the most safest way to pack 5 pounds, that doesnt sound like alott but it is more then enough for my goals.

Sarms are seeming to be trending nowadays, so i hope more people could contribute to this thread.

Thanks in advance.

 

[muskate]

The goals you listed are completely achievable with SARMS. I would highly recommend using SARMS instead of anavar. Anavar is going to greatly suppress your HPTA and put a lot of unnecessary stress on your liver. Running anavar without a testosterone base will also result in very little 'keepable' gains. SARMS are a much better option all around. Look into the SARMS triple stack: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

SARMS are minimally suppressive, there is no risk of amortization (therefore no estrogen related side effects) and legal to use. You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com

 

[MikeSnow]

well Anavar is an anabolic steroid, and sarms are androgen receptor modulators.. little different... Although they can somewhat be compared they really cant

 

[Kman61]

Hi everybody,

So i already had a thread open in source talk (that got closed, dont know why) it was about oxandrolone/anavar.

So i really wanted to go with that kind of steroid. Why? Well i already have (in my own eyes) a great physique not much more is needed.
I am 5.10 weighing 185 at 8 body fat (Kinda frank zane physique;p) Never used anything not steroids or supplements. So now i kinda reached
a plateau and i really want to gain 5 pounds atleast and lose 1 percent bodyfat ( keeping it at 7 or 7.5 atleast under 8) my ideal would be 200 pounds
on that bodyfat percentage.

So oxandrolone would do all that with little risk and i would keep alot of the gains so maybe one or two cycles of oxandrolone would be enough
the great strenght increase is also a big plus for me, pretty strong myself so gaining a significant boost in power would be great. Now because
of the trouble i have with finding a great( european) source that carries legit var at its best i have been looking at SARMS.

So after this long story(sorry!) my question is could i achieve what i want with SARMS? Or is oxandrolone the best option for my goals? Are SARMS
and oxandrolone comparible? Like getting the same or almost the same pump, hardness of muscle, strenght etc.

So enlighten me on SARMS please, and if somebody used both on there own please speak up.

Thanks for reading, and sorry for my bad english.

No comparison... Var if legit will make you strong as h%%%.

 

[jackedtothemax]

@CurioBig

Thanks for the response appreciate it alot, valuable insight on the matter. How many mg did you use a day with SARMS, and how many with Anavar.

Problem with anavar is indeed the counterfeit bullshit, underdosed etc. From what i understand pure real anavar would work on 30mg a day, yielding, maybe not great
result, but they would achieve my goals in a simple and rather save way.

But i trust your experience on SARMS so thats a positive for SARMS its quite mixed, some negative reviews in my own country about side effects with doses above 30mg a day. Muscle building was there but also mixed on how much SARMS really contributed to it.

More insights from different people are welcome.

What side effects are you referencing with higher doses of SARMS?

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The goals you listed are completely achievable with SARMS. I would highly recommend using SARMS instead of anavar. Anavar is going to greatly suppress your HPTA and put a lot of unnecessary stress on your liver. Running anavar without a testosterone base will also result in very little 'keepable' gains. SARMS are a much better option all around. Look into the SARMS triple stack: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

SARMS are minimally suppressive, there is no risk of amortization (therefore no estrogen related side effects) and legal to use. You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com

At what point to you attribute gains that are maintained after a cycle to the person's hard work vs. genetics vs. choice of AAS?

Here's what I'm getting at: maintaining gains cannot be all about what you take during or after a cycle. Maintaining gains must be some combination of other factors because otherwise, the person who took the most AAS and did the greatest number of cycles would be the most fit, massive, and cut.

 

[ski1717]

considering your goals and the safest way to go, if you have the funds I would look into primo cycle .

 

[iwannagofaster]

considering your goals and the safest way to go, if you have the funds I would look into primo cycle .

100% agree. Safe as hell. You feel great. No liver issues.......but I wouldn't want to recommend it without a test base. Maybe it would be fine, I've just never heard of running any injectable without a test base. I only hear that it is a bad idea. I'm sure some of the vets can chime in.

Anavar makes you strong but every time I take it, I injure myself. Something about it. The pumps are always so bad that I lock up and tear something. Usually on very light weights. Many times on var, I can't finish my workouts due to the pumps.

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[LevButlerov]

Hi everybody,

So i already had a thread open in source talk (that got closed, dont know why) it was about oxandrolone/anavar.

So i really wanted to go with that kind of steroid. Why? Well i already have (in my own eyes) a great physique not much more is needed.
I am 5.10 weighing 185 at 8 body fat (Kinda frank zane physique;p) Never used anything not steroids or supplements. So now i kinda reached
a plateau and i really want to gain 5 pounds atleast and lose 1 percent bodyfat ( keeping it at 7 or 7.5 atleast under 8) my ideal would be 200 pounds
on that bodyfat percentage.

So oxandrolone would do all that with little risk and i would keep alot of the gains so maybe one or two cycles of oxandrolone would be enough
the great strenght increase is also a big plus for me, pretty strong myself so gaining a significant boost in power would be great. Now because
of the trouble i have with finding a great( european) source that carries legit var at its best i have been looking at SARMS.

So after this long story(sorry!) my question is could i achieve what i want with SARMS? Or is oxandrolone the best option for my goals? Are SARMS
and oxandrolone comparible? Like getting the same or almost the same pump, hardness of muscle, strenght etc.

So enlighten me on SARMS please, and if somebody used both on there own please speak up.

Thanks for reading, and sorry for my bad english.

If 5 pounds is what you want to gain, SARMs will definitely help you achieve this results. Just for your information, in one study Ostarine given at 5 mgs ED (which is 5 times less than you would take) to men, who did not exercise or diet, increased their lean mass by 5 lbs on average. So imagine what you can achieve with greater dosages (and most SARMs have dosage-dependant results), with training, and proper nutrition.

 

[Jrbdallas]

Hi everybody,

So i already had a thread open in source talk (that got closed, dont know why) it was about oxandrolone/anavar.

So i really wanted to go with that kind of steroid. Why? Well i already have (in my own eyes) a great physique not much more is needed.
I am 5.10 weighing 185 at 8 body fat (Kinda frank zane physique;p) Never used anything not steroids or supplements. So now i kinda reached
a plateau and i really want to gain 5 pounds atleast and lose 1 percent bodyfat ( keeping it at 7 or 7.5 atleast under 8) my ideal would be 200 pounds
on that bodyfat percentage.

So oxandrolone would do all that with little risk and i would keep alot of the gains so maybe one or two cycles of oxandrolone would be enough
the great strenght increase is also a big plus for me, pretty strong myself so gaining a significant boost in power would be great. Now because
of the trouble i have with finding a great( european) source that carries legit var at its best i have been looking at SARMS.

So after this long story(sorry!) my question is could i achieve what i want with SARMS? Or is oxandrolone the best option for my goals? Are SARMS
and oxandrolone comparible? Like getting the same or almost the same pump, hardness of muscle, strenght etc.

So enlighten me on SARMS please, and if somebody used both on there own please speak up.

Thanks for reading, and sorry for my bad english.

Sarms are a much safer alternative. Secondly if your gonna do steroids dont do a fucking solo oral cycle. Just run test for 10-12 weeks

 

[Camonte]

Thanks everybody for responding and the advice.

What side effects are you referencing with higher doses of SARMS?

Well the sides i read about where for one lethargy and supression. The whole thing about SARMS is that it gets alot
of positive also research sounds positive but then i read some userreview that is negative what makes me reconsider.

considering your goals and the safest way to go, if you have the funds I would look into primo cycle

Looked into primo but because of the trouble of find legit primo and more anvar userreviews i went for anavar. I think they are
both very safe at reasonable doses, so because of the slighter ease of getting anavar and the consensus on boards to take anavar
i took that road. But legit primo is something i really would consider.


So again more input is welcome. In a month or so i want to have made a choice for now i am preffering Anavar, mainly because its pretty safe
rarely negative reviews on it, sides i read about are only cramps/painfull pumps and headache. Still have to encounter other sides named by users.

SARMS, seem even safer from some boards and reads. On the other hand, there are some boards that consider them having side effect making them for my
as safe as Anavar and because they are still in there clinical testing im not 100 precent sure of there safety. Basically if there was a consensus or clinical proof
that it was completely safe or atleast safer then anavar, i would take SARMS of course.

For my goals i think SARMS and Anavar would both do the job, 5 pound pure muscle on the upper body is a realistic goal.

So i think the question remains is which is the safest, price is not a problem, and in terms of putting on lean mass they would both do the job(maybe SARMS
would give me extra but that is not neccesarly needed) and the lean mass would stay. Anavar wins on strenght i suppose.

Question remain which one is really the safest(taking in consideration, sarms like LGD are in clinical testing). I would love if somebody would drop there experience
on both anavar and SARMS.

Thanks for reading, and sorry for a slight incoherent read.

 

[curiobig]

Thanks everybody for responding and the advice.



Well the sides i read about where for one lethargy and supression. The whole thing about SARMS is that it gets alot
of positive also research sounds positive but then i read some userreview that is negative what makes me reconsider.




Looked into primo but because of the trouble of find legit primo and more anvar userreviews i went for anavar. I think they are
both very safe at reasonable doses, so because of the slighter ease of getting anavar and the consensus on boards to take anavar
i took that road. But legit primo is something i really would consider.


So again more input is welcome. In a month or so i want to have made a choice for now i am preffering Anavar, mainly because its pretty safe
rarely negative reviews on it, sides i read about are only cramps/painfull pumps and headache. Still have to encounter other sides named by users.

SARMS, seem even safer from some boards and reads. On the other hand, there are some boards that consider them having side effect making them for my
as safe as Anavar and because they are still in there clinical testing im not 100 precent sure of there safety. Basically if there was a consensus or clinical proof
that it was completely safe or atleast safer then anavar, i would take SARMS of course.

For my goals i think SARMS and Anavar would both do the job, 5 pound pure muscle on the upper body is a realistic goal.

So i think the question remains is which is the safest, price is not a problem, and in terms of putting on lean mass they would both do the job(maybe SARMS
would give me extra but that is not neccesarly needed) and the lean mass would stay. Anavar wins on strenght i suppose.

Question remain which one is really the safest(taking in consideration, sarms like LGD are in clinical testing). I would love if somebody would drop there experience
on both anavar and SARMS.

Thanks for reading, and sorry for a slight incoherent read.

I think we've already answered this for you. SARMS you can stack with other SARMS. Anavar all by itself will do nothing, and it will suppress you, so you'll need to add Test which means now you're adding injections to your protocol in order to use Anavar. Anavar alone will do very, very little for you, and again assuming you get the real stuff. I used it this summer for six weeks along with Test and LGD, I didn't see anything at all with the Anavar. LGD was very effective for me. You can contemplate forever on this by reading what other boards have said, but we've answered your questions.......sooner or later you'll have to buy a ticket and see what works for you.