Phlebotomy During Cycle. Heart Health

[MadStacker]

I was reading some case studies which were varying and did not to relate to each other about RBC, hematocrit, iron, and cholesterol and how it effected by PEDs and phlebotomy.

We know that PEDs increase these blood markers for the user but regular phlebotomies have shown to reduce this increase along with cardio and hydration.

These three components show that they could potentially reduce and prevent cardiovascular risks long term when it comes to the use of PEDs.

Anyone here have experience on using phlebotomies as a tool to maintain longevity while cycling?


If so what other information, experiences, and studies can you share and what else can we throw into the equation?

 

[MadStacker]

I was reading some case studies which were varying and did not to relate to each other about RBC, hematocrit, iron, and cholesterol and how it effected by PEDs and phlebotomy.

We know that PEDs increase these blood markers for the user but regular phlebotomies have shown to reduce this increase along with cardio and hydration.

These three components show that they could potentially reduce and prevent cardiovascular risks long term when it comes to the use of PEDs.

Anyone here have experience on using phlebotomies as a tool to maintain longevity while cycling?


If so what other information, experiences, and studies can you share and what else can we throw into the equation?

FYI I am new to the site and since posting have found some good information on this topic. Instead of deleting I think it might be good to discuss as a standalone topic because I find this a really interesting topic and want to learn more.

 

[stevesmi]

Donating blood usually takes about 40 minutes including driving time so it’s a really good idea to be doing it as often as possible

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I was reading some case studies which were varying and did not to relate to each other about RBC, hematocrit, iron, and cholesterol and how it effected by PEDs and phlebotomy.

We know that PEDs increase these blood markers for the user but regular phlebotomies have shown to reduce this increase along with cardio and hydration.

These three components show that they could potentially reduce and prevent cardiovascular risks long term when it comes to the use of PEDs.

Anyone here have experience on using phlebotomies as a tool to maintain longevity while cycling?


If so what other information, experiences, and studies can you share and what else can we throw into the equation?

@MadStacker IMO the easiest way is to donate blood but that doesnt work for everyone.

We have a member @dominion7 that had a phlebotomy recently, you can check his LOG:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/

The issue here @MadStacker is we dont know anything about you. It would be nice for you to share your cycle with us, training diet, in a NEW LOG journal thread. We can discuss your cycle and your need for a potential phlebotomy and why, how your diet is realted to it, how your training and lifestyle is too. Either way, having a log up is a MUST in our community. This way we can help and guide you.

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/hsc318-testosterone-trenbolone-cycle-log-part-2.90696/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-pre-cycle-diet-training-log.90712/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/supertiredwantfood-high-protein-log-female.95670/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-log-for-2023.87439/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/littletimetrouble-big-time-trt-log.90656/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ning-strength-staying-lean-third-cycle.96026/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/log-macs-bulk-2023.89802/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dbol-and-test-cypionate-10-week-log.90745/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pre-cycle-trt-log.90735/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/powerlifting-2023-2024-cycle-log-female.95657/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2023-2024-bulk-log.89292/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/princedaddy-2023-log-here-we-go-again.87659/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-cycle-training-log.86383/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dozers-journey-to-the-stage-and-cycle.84184/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-time-tren-log.87653/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-anavar-rad140-cardarine-cycle-log.86174/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/contest-peak-cycle-this-year.85007/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/new-cycle.84662/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/summer-bulking-cycle.85543/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/lefr34ks-training-log.85141/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsys-training-log.83248/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/echos-hgh-log-and-cycle.85429/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log.85538/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

 

[MadStacker]

@MadStacker IMO the easiest way is to donate blood but that doesnt work for everyone.

We have a member @dominion7 that had a phlebotomy recently, you can check his LOG:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/

The issue here @MadStacker is we dont know anything about you. It would be nice for you to share your cycle with us, training diet, in a NEW LOG journal thread. We can discuss your cycle and your need for a potential phlebotomy and why, how your diet is realted to it, how your training and lifestyle is too. Either way, having a log up is a MUST in our community. This way we can help and guide you.

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/hsc318-testosterone-trenbolone-cycle-log-part-2.90696/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-pre-cycle-diet-training-log.90712/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/supertiredwantfood-high-protein-log-female.95670/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-log-for-2023.87439/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/littletimetrouble-big-time-trt-log.90656/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ning-strength-staying-lean-third-cycle.96026/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/log-macs-bulk-2023.89802/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dbol-and-test-cypionate-10-week-log.90745/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pre-cycle-trt-log.90735/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/powerlifting-2023-2024-cycle-log-female.95657/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2023-2024-bulk-log.89292/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/princedaddy-2023-log-here-we-go-again.87659/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-cycle-training-log.86383/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dozers-journey-to-the-stage-and-cycle.84184/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-time-tren-log.87653/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-anavar-rad140-cardarine-cycle-log.86174/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/contest-peak-cycle-this-year.85007/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/new-cycle.84662/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/summer-bulking-cycle.85543/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/lefr34ks-training-log.85141/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsys-training-log.83248/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/echos-hgh-log-and-cycle.85429/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log.85538/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

Wow man this was a thoughtful and in depth post. I appreciate you taking time to guide me along on this because to be honest I had no idea about doing a log. I will analyze your message in the morning and do my best to put together a relevant log that meets this criteria. Thinking about your post it actually makes a lot of sense so I don't have to repeat my story over and over like being on hold for customer service. Quick and easy, down and dirty. Love it. Thank you.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wow man this was a thoughtful and in depth post. I appreciate you taking time to guide me along on this because to be honest I had no idea about doing a log. I will analyze your message in the morning and do my best to put together a relevant log that meets this criteria. Thinking about your post it actually makes a lot of sense so I don't have to repeat my story over and over like being on hold for customer service. Quick and easy, down and dirty. Love it. Thank you.

@MadStacker It's positive that you are going deep on this, waiting on your LOG, please post up your LOG asap.

 

[Mobster]

1) Donate
20 Eval (Dave Crosland company here in the UK) does blood letting

 

[Noah Wixx]

1) Donate
20 Eval (Dave Crosland company here in the UK) does blood letting

Dave does alot of excellent work, I play podcasts he is on regularly, lots of great information. He is also one of the only guys I know who stood next to rich pina and said he wasn't that big in person lol.

 

[ceo]

bros Experiment on your body with a log
that would be really cool to see the changes that happen

 

[ROIDDERS]

definitely would be cool if you put up a log
would love to see what kind of results you get

 

[chesty]

looking forward to seeing your log for sure
welcome to the forum you seem like a bright guy

 

[Ulter]

I love you so far you are posting some good stuff
join us with a log everybody else is doing it

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

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[MadStacker]

You got it, gentlemen.

I am in the process of putting the information for a log together, now.

Bloodwork scheduled for March 22nd.

Once I obtain those results I will also put the rest of my log together.

One question, my doctor for trt will want to see me in normal range so I have to skip a shot to be there.

Where and how can I independently get labwork done on test levels when they may or may not be superphysiological and how do I keep that separate from primary care provider? I don't want to mess up my trt because I tried to measure test levels while blasting. Make sense?

 

[Mobster]

Dave does alot of excellent work, I play podcasts he is on regularly, lots of great information. He is also one of the only guys I know who stood next to rich pina and said he wasn't that big in person lol.

At one point Dave hit 405lbs, Mind you on 5g a week. He's also an epic artist

 

[Noah Wixx]

At one point Dave hit 405lbs, Mind you on 5g a week. He's also an epic artist

I did hear him talk about that, he was a mountain of a man that is forsure.

 

[e2]

100% we are looking forward to your log
make sure you get those Bloods up

 

[2Thick]

make sure you check stevesmi's signature on bloodwork
he has a link on how to get it

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

you can get bloodwork independently from the link in steve's signature
do you see it?

 

[MONSTRO]

monstros says blood work very important
definitely want to see your log